Ma Dalton you nailed it.

I may have a full day with a girl and shoot her for 4 different clients exclusive and then try to get 1 or 2 sets for my non-ex sales. I learned this from the late great J. Stephen Hicks who would have the girl signing 4 or 5 release forms at the end of each day. I do it with one big release but its just as valid.

I make sure this is all clear with agent and model days prior to the shoot, can't waste precious time on the shoot day.

So you took exception to my view so that's why you replied in a condescending manner....and then said that you didn't? :thumbsup

This has not been my experience at all. But I can appreciate that not every producer has the same experiences that I have....

If you would have bothered to read my other posts on this issue before you stuck your foot in your mouth...you would have seen that I fully agree with you on your statement here. Funny how you think that because you don't tell the girls where their content will go that this is how all producers must operate, or they are living in the past.

Your business model is not everybodies business model. There is more than one way to produce content and each requires a different in approach. There are also different catagories of models that require a different approach. You can get away with shooting an amateur with little to no info but a model who has been around a while may want more info on where and how her material will be used. Thus, a difference of approach.

If a model or agent asked me where the content would be used and I replied telling them that it's none of their business, I would probably be flipping burgers right now as a full time profession. Yea, maybe you can get away with it but not everybody can.... and that's my point.

And just for future reference, if you disagree or take exception to my views, we can still have a mature conversation without you acting like a douche and talking down to me like I have no fucking idea what I'm doing and I need to be schooled by you on how this business operates :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

WOW!! Interesting thread.


1st off I have known Bobby for 10 years. He is one of the few guys who I talk with on the phone regularly. Over 10 years we have never had an argument or disagreement.


We see and view this industry the same way. I will always believe Bobby over anyone. Thats how well I know him.


Does he make mistakes? Sure, we all do. Did he make a mistake in this situation? Not at all.


How do I know this? Because I had almost the same exact experience with the same model. I know 6 other directors that had the same experience as well.


On my set, I was perfect. Let her do what she wanted, let her choose who she wanted to work with. Hair make up, etc.


She complained about anything and everything. Script, outfit, make up, time, etc. Verbally abused and teased my PA with Malice enough where he never wanted to be on set with her again, if we were to shoot her.

I put up with a lot of shit that day and handled it with a smile. It way sucked!! She was also talking about how much she hated being in porn and how she charged me $300 more than other companies.


My company wanted her shot, so money wasn't an issue. But if you don't want to be there, why take the job?



Before I worked with her I knew her when she was with PUBA. Her and Ivan were close friends. When she left PUBA, she slammed Ivan and PUBA in an article with a bunch of untruths.


Now anyone who knows Ivan; Can tell you that he is the utmost classiest guy in this business. Would never lie, would never steal, would never be part of a company that would ever be invoked in anything of the sort. And further more, he has never slept or acted inappropriate with any of his models or any model ever!! Yes not a one!! Dated one model like 6 years ago and only dates girls not in this business.


And for this particular girl to go after him for anything other than being a good guy and class act and good friend, is really sad.


Another story I also heard from a top rated Super Solid reputation Director was: She and the director had a disagreement because of last minute changes that were not controllable. She could have just declined the shoot, taken the Kill Fees and been done with it. Keep in mind, This is after everyone was flown in and hotels were paid for.


After turning down the shoot and taking the kill fee, she went on a few public boards complaining about what went down with unnecessary drama added to it.

But the most classless thing that got posted, was this directors girl friend had a miscarriage of his child and she went on to post that "His girlfriend was real smart to go run off and abort his child secretly". Who spits out venom like that?? Not nice, not professional and just plain mean!


I knew all of the above when I went to work with her and thought I could kill what ever she through at me with kindness. And I did and I got the scene done. And the scene looked great.


But Dealing with what I dealt with and keeping my mouth shut, made me physically ill. Literally, i was sick to my stomach after the shoot. Physically Nauseous from what I dealt with.


Nobody has ever treated me like she did or speak to me as she did, and not get punched or beat. (I would never ever hit a woman ever!!) I always have chosen to walk away from situations like that, but I couldn't this time.


This is how I look at it:

When Im shooting for a company, I represent that company. If I'm mad or upset, nobody will ever know about it.



So when I see this thread, I laugh my ass off because everyone who actually shoots knows this about this particular person.


We all talk and we all know who is capable of what.



Bobby knew all of this getting into it, but he chose to kill the scene and end his pain oppose to getting, verbally abused, physically sick and being a BITCH.


Could he of handled it better??? Of course, he should have not booked in the 1st place.


Bad Bobby!!! You should have known!! lol


I bet I get some kind of back lash for being totally honest and upfront.


My reputation is Super Solid!!


Just Dave



End of Thread!!

I jerk off to your name MA!!! :1orglaugh

some models are awesome and some aren't... suffers will always side with the model in every instance ...

For sure!


Ohh and what Extra Thing Bobby was shooting was a simple 2 min, teaser clip for his Naughty America Fan Blog.

Not jerk off material, not shit to be resold.


I asked her to do 4 pics, for 4 Fan signs that I was going to post on the Company forum, for the fans that I shoot for. She asked me "how much extra do I get paid?"


I said: "Don't sweat it, all good." She said: "The fans already have enough Fan Signs"


And It was simple as that. Until I relayed what happened on set to the fans and explained why I didn't get their fan signs.


That was my mistake. I should have lied and said I forgot. Hate lying and bullshitting people.



Just Dave

Respect :thumbsup

Posting a tweet about striptease footage and passing it off as news.



The whole thing is ridiculous :1orglaugh

yup... best way to handle models and fans for sure... honestly I can only think of very few models that wouldn't jump right in, tease the camera for a blog... oh well...

My 2 cents from an agents perspective, and a note of credibility for my friend and client Bobby Manilla.

Bobby contacted our agency a few weeks ago disclosing and informing us of his desire and intentions to shoot a couple 3 - 5 min clips for his blog, in addition to the main scene production. So, for ATMLA represented models, they will be fully informed of the exact details of the shoot requirements. We do that in every booking. Naughty America produces high quality scenes and always pays models rates.

As far as Bobby's usage of this extra footage, allow me to enlighten all of you to the benefit of what he is doing for everyone involved.. this includes the models, the production companies, and just about everyone who are in this industry to make some money.

Consider the fact that if Bobby takes the extra time and effort to run a blog that sends traffic and sales to NA ( or any other affiliate program that he shoots for ) He not only sustains the affiliate marketing aspect which as we all know has declined tremendously over the years, but he also sustains sales to NA, which sustains their business and can only result in continued production. For the model in particular, its even more advantageous, the blog is all about her, creating and sustaining the fan base which drives up the desire and demand for other production companies to shoot her. The more traffic and sales that is generated specifically from that model is one of the leading determinations that production companies use to select models for their productions. Its exposure!! Any and all exposure for the model IMHO is a positive thing.

With all that being said, I am not at all aware of just what Jayden Jaymes was aware or informed of going into the shoot. Perhaps there was some miscommunication involved, that does happen, were all human. I sincerely dont think there was any intended harm or deception involved. Bottom line for me is its nice to see some creative thought process involved with production that can only benefit the entire industry.

:thumbsup

50 Miscommunications!
 

Oh JEEEZUS! I just re-read this thread and got pissed off.
I did NOT want to make this thread about me - this thread is supposed to be about Jayden and Bobby, but you have forced my (typing) hand!

Idiot, see post #12 in this thread (which was BEFORE this post #14 from you I might add).
I wrote, "Yes I work in the adult business as a producer here in LA, and have since '05.
Just because YOU don't know me doesn't mean OTHERS don't, so don't be so quick to judge or assume I'm not even in the industry".


What??? Not ONCE has anyone ASKED me who I shoot for or requested I post samples.
But I will now.

After working for a year at the now-defunct Nectar Entertainment as an in-house producer, the first big porno I directed/produced myself was in '06 entitled Spunk'd The Movie (parody of MTV's PUNK'd - I also would like to add that we shot this parody 6 months before Jeff and Scott shot Not The Brady's XXX, but obviously they did a better marketing job). Here is the trailer:
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1356676529

Here are some scenes from the movie:
Hairless Hilton and Cornhole Richie
Grundle's Anatomy
Holeson Twins
Lindsay Blowhan
Gashton Cootcher Gang "Raped" by Dumi Moore et al
George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Cumdaleezza Rice

Since then I've shot for Pimproll, Bangbros, Naughty America, Manwin, Crakmedia, Paperstreetcash/Teamskeet, Teenrevenue (before they turned "evil"), and others.
I shot all the content for ErosPOV, and I will be shooting all the content for the upcoming HDPOV with Reallyusefulcash.

good job getting performances from the girls on the POV :2 cents:

Thank you, kind sir!

Hmmm, when I shot Jayden for Naughty America in THIS SCENE she was nothing but happy, relaxed, and in a good mood. She was easy to work with that day, and the experience was only positive.
HOWEVER, I have heard the horror stories as well. Shooter and Monica were shooting her for Bangbros and MTV was following her for some reality show or something and she was a TOTAL B*TCH that day.
I guess all of us are moody and have our good days and bad days. HELL, if you really want to see moody, read all of my posts from the last few weeks! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

THIS is the info! So Jayden was INCORRECT when she said it was for his PERSONAL USE.

In this situation, Jayden was clearly wrong.

JustDave, I think you being as close to Bobby as you are, you have a unique perspective.
And what does he say about you, his good friend, being a Brazzers contract producer? A bit ironic, no?

Irony (from the Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία eirōneía, meaning dissimulation or feigned ignorance),[1] in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event characterized by an incongruity, or contrast, between reality (what is) and appearance (what seems to be). The term may be further defined into several categories, among which are: verbal, dramatic, and situational.

Verbal, dramatic, and situational irony are often used for emphasis in the assertion of a truth. The ironic form of simile, used in sarcasm, and some forms of litotes can emphasize one's meaning by the deliberate use of language which states the opposite of the truth, denies the contrary of the truth, or drastically and obviously understates a factual connection.[2]

Other forms, as identified by Thirlwall, include dialectic and practical irony.[3]

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The irony is thick today on gfy - in many, many threads!

I guess people will put up with a lot because of dat ass.

:1orglaugh

true DAT ...ass

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enha...4016667-38.jpg

:stoned

ADG

FANTASTIC image/post! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Im also Friends with Jules Jordan. Shit! as funny as it sounds, he is one of the few guys I absolutely look up to. One of the best shooters to ever hold a camera. Good guy, great person. And where I work and who I shoot for has never been an issue.


I do really get along with everyone in this business. When I have had issues with people, I try to quash it and get along. Life is too short to be mad or actively hate or dislike someone. Not healthy.


Me and Bobby and a few others we were "OG" Hotel Shooters who started internet before it was popular. It was back when it was looked down on by all of the DVD shooters.


We have both worked very hard to get to where we both are. Bobby is a smart guy who I have always respected. Good shooter, great at business, and very good at marketing himself.

He, as all of us have, made our share of mistakes in the past. But I know this situation, was not his doing. He happened to get a great female performer on a really bad day, I guess.


My situation worked out: I asked her to do fan signs, for her actual fans, for the site I was shooting for. She said No, I moved on to do what I do. Worked out at the end of the day. Well I got a good scene and didn't have to pay kill fees. How I felt about the day is a whole other post, that I already posted. lol


Bobby's situation turned out a bit different; He asked her to do something for his blog, for the company he shoots for, and his fans that were fans of her and she got super pissed and stormed off set. She could have just said "NO" and moved on from there. Perfect example of a Super Star Performer having a bad day.


If you really think about it, a simple "NO" and lets move on, would have been really simple and easy. But where is the press and headlines in that simple conflict resolution? Really think about that one for a minute. Bobby is a very private non-confrontational person. And this isn't the 1st time this model has gone after someone for publicity.

http://freefightvideos.blogspot.com/...ar-jayden.html

http://www.cagepotato.com/chuck-lidd...r-not-fun-way/

http://thedirty.com/2013/04/kobe-bry...heating-again/


This particular model when she is "ON" is a stellar performer, I just choose in the future to not work with her. Not into walking on Egg Shells on set and gambling if we are going to have a good scene today. Not worth it to me. Been there done that once already after being warned by everyone I know and respect.


Wouldn't want to be the 1st Porn Director on TMZ getting sued for sexual harassment in the work place or some made up bullshit so some almost out of the business pornstar can get press attention. lol


Just Dave

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

since when did we start taking the whore's word for things? Ive known bobby years ... he's a good guy... and any director on here that says he does not shoot as much footage as he can is bullshitting....

these whores get paid flat rate fee until im done with them... that could be a BJ it could be a BJ and wet T.....

they have no right to know where it ends up in fact 99.9% don't care they just want the check....

when the fuck did this industry become a bunch of softy bitches? seriously?

it's simple...

girls calls us....
we tell her yes we have work come out.. we have BJ scene for you.. some toy's and then some wet tshirt stuffs... you will be paid xxx amount for the day....

end of story.....

Umm, what director on here says that??? and why do you keep having to say "whore"

You seem like kind of an asshole.

nothing personal, FYI: it seems to me all the guys that refer to models as 'whores' are looking for work :2 cents:

:2 cents:
qft

Me and Bobby and a few others we were "OG" Hotel Shooters who started internet before it was popular. It was back when it was looked down on by all of the DVD shooters.
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agents would not return my phones calls until 2003, before that 'net' shooters were deff considered low rate...


Wouldn't want to be the 1st Porn Director on TMZ getting sued for sexual harassment in the work place or some made up bullshit so some almost out of the business pornstar can get press attention.
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this is a serious consideration because a shooter is ALWAYS wrong, you saw that in this thread... the media portrays shooters as abusers not much above a pimp or child molester if even that high... anything a model says will be believed by the civilian world... even 99% of the members at GFY believes anything a model says... you saw that in this thread as well... :2 cents:

By "THE MEDIA" do you mean, "DAMIAN JENNINGS"? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

This thread needs more pics...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/...c9b9f7a375.jpg

Hot!
Everything else aside, you can't say she's not hot!

this made me lol

if you could only concentrate on the topic at hand without referring to this nonsense all the time...

me too

maybe because the three of us are "working shooters"



I am Sorry man, but What is NONSENSE about me trying to warn damian and the greater gfy community that there are REAL DEATH THREATS OUT THERE AGAINST HIM.
MaDalton, I found this proof yesterday and I am only trying to do the right thing. I do NOT care how it looks or how people are perceiving me right now.

HAHAHAHAHA!! I remember those days.


Me and a few other shooters always talk about those days.


Its funny to me today.


I get a bunch of solid Old School DVD shooters telling me there is no work out there. They are always asking me if I can get them internet content work. They have No Idea about GFY or how having a solid internet reputation for years, is the key to getting Internet content work.

I try and explain to them that you need to have a solid track record with internet companies for them to trust you enough to send you work and money.


Shooting it good, is a given, but having a solid reputation for doing what you say you are going to do, is key.


My DVD friends don't really get that. They think that their name and DVD record is enough where people will come and find them. As a whole, as we know, thats not the case.


Wish I started 5 years earlier, but Im glad, I went internet 1st. Couldn't imagine trying to get into this business today with no experience, and zero track record. That would way suck!

Also, lastly, this business has become way more corporate. The days of Directors and Producers acting the "fool" on set and "Casting Couch' all of the female talent is long gone! Along with the shooters that did that. With twitter and social media, everyone talks!! A producer/Directors dirty secretes will get out. It always does and I always hear about who does what. ALWAYS!!!



Just Dave

:1orglaugh true, true!!!

You my friend have one of the most stellar Reputations amongst female talent.


RESPECT!!


Just Dave

hahaha fuckerz trying to rest on their laurels; NOT IN TODAY'S MARKET! :1orglaugh sorry, but I just call that pure laziness; nothing more, nothing less.

LOL I love it! "I always hear about who does what." - is there any dirt out there you've heard about me? Please do share if so, I love melodrama more than anything else when trying to entertain myself.
Hence I watch MTV's RealWorld/RoadRules Challenge religiously.

same with talent dirty little secrets Dave, like all the models hooked on heroin these days, and the male talent doing gay privets :( ... however I take most model 'reports' with a grain of salt... as I'm sure you do.. :2 cents:

one more thing David: always hear about who does what. ALWAYS!!!
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I try not to hear that shit at all anymore to be honest ... I was using a boy that told me all that stuff every time I shot with him... now that I don't use the him I don't really hear about it... improved my life...

now some stuff I hear is pretty funny like a producer sucking on a girls pussy after she just got fucked by male talent... that's kinda out there to me... however it was done without the permission of the female model which makes it even stranger to me..... but those type of guys are usually looking for work ...

i'm happy i'm not in the LA circus...