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DeanCapture 07-29-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 19737361)
You my friend have one of the most stellar Reputations amongst female talent.

RESPECT!!

Nice to hear and thank you sir http://deancapture.com/pics/dean/dean.gif

Major (Tom) 07-29-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 19736105)
Im also Friends with Jules Jordan. Shit! as funny as it sounds, he is one of the few guys I absolutely look up to. One of the best shooters to ever hold a camera. Good guy, great person. And where I work and who I shoot for has never been an issue.


I do really get along with everyone in this business. When I have had issues with people, I try to quash it and get along. Life is too short to be mad or actively hate or dislike someone. Not healthy.


Me and Bobby and a few others we were "OG" Hotel Shooters who started internet before it was popular. It was back when it was looked down on by all of the DVD shooters.


We have both worked very hard to get to where we both are. Bobby is a smart guy who I have always respected. Good shooter, great at business, and very good at marketing himself.

He, as all of us have, made our share of mistakes in the past. But I know this situation, was not his doing. He happened to get a great female performer on a really bad day, I guess.


My situation worked out: I asked her to do fan signs, for her actual fans, for the site I was shooting for. She said No, I moved on to do what I do. Worked out at the end of the day. Well I got a good scene and didn't have to pay kill fees. How I felt about the day is a whole other post, that I already posted. lol


Bobby's situation turned out a bit different; He asked her to do something for his blog, for the company he shoots for, and his fans that were fans of her and she got super pissed and stormed off set. She could have just said "NO" and moved on from there. Perfect example of a Super Star Performer having a bad day.


If you really think about it, a simple "NO" and lets move on, would have been really simple and easy. But where is the press and headlines in that simple conflict resolution? Really think about that one for a minute. Bobby is a very private non-confrontational person. And this isn't the 1st time this model has gone after someone for publicity.

http://freefightvideos.blogspot.com/...ar-jayden.html

http://www.cagepotato.com/chuck-lidd...r-not-fun-way/

http://thedirty.com/2013/04/kobe-bry...heating-again/


This particular model when she is "ON" is a stellar performer, I just choose in the future to not work with her. Not into walking on Egg Shells on set and gambling if we are going to have a good scene today. Not worth it to me. Been there done that once already after being warned by everyone I know and respect.


Wouldn't want to be the 1st Porn Director on TMZ getting sued for sexual harassment in the work place or some made up bullshit so some almost out of the business pornstar can get press attention. lol


Just Dave




Sounds like she needs a trip to NJ :)
Ds

Jay-Rock 07-29-2013 05:14 PM

Typical hooker mentality :( he should have paid her $500 more for the extra 10 minutes of her time haha

Offer them a dayrate and tell them you have the option to sell the content to anyone even resell it. Bang Bros tell this to girls on video before they hand them their check. What's the difference these programs get bought out eventually and the owners whore it out everywhere anyways.

JustDaveXxx 07-29-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 19737606)
Sounds like she needs a trip to NJ :)
Ds

I would way pay for the flight, the hotel, and her rate no matter what it would be!!


All payments due upon completion of the scene. lol


Love your stuff!! That is my style! I was one of the PSP shooters until, they dropped the site. Would love to shoot that stuff out here in LA!!





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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 19737619)
Typical hooker mentality :( he should have paid her $500 more for the extra 10 minutes of her time haha

Offer them a dayrate and tell them you have the option to sell the content to anyone even resell it. Bang Bros tell this to girls on video before they hand them their check. What's the difference these programs get bought out eventually and the owners whore it out everywhere anyways.

I agree, but that common sense, stuff doesn't fly with this particular model. Trust me!!



Just Dave

Grapesoda 07-29-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19737427)
i'm happy i'm not in the LA circus...

it's the major league :2 cents:

JustDaveXxx 07-29-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19737684)
it's the major league :2 cents:

Yes it is!

Not to ever disrespect any shooters here or abroad, but the total skill level, and knowing how to mentally deal with the models out here is a totally mind blowing.


Everyone out here is good. and all of them are skilled in the phycology of how to deal with the models.


I hear it everyday from models: Basic BG scene, with no story line shot in Miami, takes all day out there. (Not saying the quality is bad) Same scene, same company shot in LA, takes 2 hours max and 4 of them are getting shot in a day. And the quality is high.


The 1st noticeable thing a shooter from somewhere else will notice in LA, is that the Male Talent pool are at a way higher level.


When it comes to sex and the guys I use; I can get 35 min of usable footage in 35 min with no cuts, 2 cuts max. And the sex in the scene will look top notch. But these guys are $600-$1000. And u can see the difference between the $600-$800 and a big difference between the $800-$1000 guys. Size, performance, positioning, etc.


I call LA swimming with Sharks.lol



The best why to describe shooters out in LA is competent, Because they are all pretty good.


Just Dave

DeanCapture 07-29-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 19737728)
The best why to describe shooters out in LA is competent, Because they are all pretty good.

Well, except for that one guy :Oh crap



j/k

:1orglaugh

Major (Tom) 07-29-2013 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 19737671)
I would way pay for the flight, the hotel, and her rate no matter what it would be!!


All payments due upon completion of the scene. lol


Love your stuff!! That is my style! I was one of the PSP shooters until, they dropped the site. Would love to shoot that stuff out here in LA!!







I agree, but that common sense, stuff doesn't fly with this particular model. Trust me!!



Just Dave

Hit me up!
Duke

SB_Content 07-29-2013 09:57 PM

Bobby is a good dude. He gave me my directorial start in '07' and has always been straight forward and honest with me. :thumbsup

SB_Content 07-29-2013 10:25 PM

http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads...meh.ro8561.jpg

It's always good to have a can of this on hand.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Jim_Gunn 07-29-2013 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19737684)
it's the major league :2 cents:

It doesn't matter what league you think you're in as much as it matters how much money you're making and your lifestyle. :2 cents:

Grapesoda 07-30-2013 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 19737899)
It doesn't matter what league you think you're in as much as it matters how much money you're making and your lifestyle. :2 cents:

it's the major league

MaDalton 07-30-2013 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19737684)
it's the major league :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 19737899)
It doesn't matter what league you think you're in as much as it matters how much money you're making and your lifestyle. :2 cents:

what Jim said...

my only ambition is to have a peaceful, comfortable life - like i have right now :)

Grapesoda 07-30-2013 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19738145)
what Jim said...

my only ambition is to have a peaceful, comfortable life - like i have right now :)

we all want that Ma, this is still the majors :2 cents:

Jay-Rock 07-30-2013 06:19 AM

#95 Hooker mentalities on set.

Sly 07-30-2013 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 19737899)
It doesn't matter what league you think you're in as much as it matters how much money you're making and your lifestyle. :2 cents:

I would rather be the worst guy in major league baseball as opposed to the best guy in single A? but hey, that's just me.

ReggieDurango 08-01-2013 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SB_Content (Post 19737882)
http://www.meh.ro/wp-content/uploads...meh.ro8561.jpg

It's always good to have a can of this on hand.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

hahahaha, for jayden? she'd love it!

Grapesoda 08-01-2013 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19738237)
I would rather be the worst guy in major league baseball as opposed to the best guy in single A… but hey, that's just me.

tough call there...

Dirty D 08-01-2013 08:35 AM

Good thread.
+1 for Bobby being a good guy.

For the sheep, remember this always - "Pimps up Hoes Down"

ReggieDurango 08-01-2013 09:11 AM

One more...

ReggieDurango 08-01-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 19741658)
Good thread.
+1 for Bobby being a good guy.

For the sheep, remember this always - "Pimps up Hoes Down"

Quoted for truth. Ha ha! Dirty D, next time I see you I shall have a blunt of Asian Fantasy prepared for our meeting.

JP-pornshooter 08-01-2013 10:51 AM

Reggie, back in the day Bobby was shooter for Scott.. perhaps you knew this already.

From what I can see Bobby didnt really do anything out of the norm here.
I hate to say it but in the industry there is a difference between "talent" and pornstars. For most pornstars you need to specifically tell them/their agent exactly the content package and which program you are shooting it for.. but for "talent" it is often a day rate package depending what is shot.

ReggieDurango 08-01-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 19741880)
Reggie, back in the day Bobby was shooter for Scott.. perhaps you knew this already.

Who is Scott?

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 19741880)
From what I can see Bobby didnt really do anything out of the norm here.

Yes, and I've admitted that here earlier in this thread!

JustDaveXxx 08-01-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 19741880)
Reggie, back in the day Bobby was shooter for Scott.. perhaps you knew this already.

From what I can see Bobby didnt really do anything out of the norm here.
I hate to say it but in the industry there is a difference between "talent" and pornstars. For most pornstars you need to specifically tell them/their agent exactly the content package and which program you are shooting it for.. but for "talent" it is often a day rate package depending what is shot.

Very correct on all points.


When I shot for 8 different clients, I would never disclose who I was shooting for.


Why? because it would get around and every mope with a handy cam would try hitting up my clients for work.


And in some situations, I had no idea where the content was going. I sent content all around the world with no idea if it was going on a site or DVD.


But I will tell you one thing for sure. When I started shooting for Brazzers, the same girls I shot previously were asking for $300 more than I was paying them before. Crazy!!


I know Mr. Capture probably saw the same thing.


Just Dave

ReggieDurango 08-01-2013 06:45 PM

Eight different clients! Geez Dave that must've been stressful

JP-pornshooter 08-02-2013 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 19742017)
Who is Scott?


the new owner of vanguard/lax agency, didnt you complain about him a week or two ago?

JP-pornshooter 08-02-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 19742148)
Very correct on all points.


But I will tell you one thing for sure. When I started shooting for Brazzers, the same girls I shot previously were asking for $300 more than I was paying them before. Crazy!!


I know Mr. Capture probably saw the same thing.


Just Dave

and that is fair enough, they give you enough of a budget for you to do so.
plus they expect you to deliver a product of a certain quality so you work a little harder and so do the models, in order to meet those expectations.

ReggieDurango 08-02-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 19743345)
the new owner of vanguard/lax agency, didnt you complain about him a week or two ago?

Oh yes that scott! don't currently like that Scott. Maybe my mind about Scott will change someday

Alex1776 10-29-2013 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 19743617)
Oh yes that scott! don't currently like that Scott. Maybe my mind about Scott will change someday

LAX Scott? He's really not that bad of a guy - dont know what your problem with him is

Jay-Rock 10-29-2013 07:13 AM

I would have just told her upfront she is shooting a hardcore set and a tease set. It shouldn't matter where it is going as long as the model agrees to shoot the sets. Tell the girl up front what she is shooting and tell her you have the right to sell it where ever you want. Bang Bros says this on camera on their exit interviews before the girl gets paid. They all agree that Bang can resell the scene and post it in any form they want even if they want to sell it non exclusive. They probably never do this but they reserve the right to do what they want. I would avoid shooting girls with Diva attitudes like this. If anything she is showing to other producers how difficult she is to deal with.

This situation reminds me of the Chaisey Laine meltdown where she flipped out when she was told they were going to shoot still of her sex scene. https://youtube.com/watch?v=OZvsWKn6nzM

I guess in her hayday producers didn't shoot stills except for Boxcovers. Jayden is just another washed up porn star and should be lowering her rates if anything. Just because you are a high end hooker doesn't make you special in the adult biz.

Alex1776 10-31-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 19851974)
This situation reminds me of the Chaisey Laine meltdown where she flipped out when she was told they were going to shoot still of her sex scene. https://youtube.com/watch?v=OZvsWKn6nzM

it is pretty unbelievable that she is so insane in the video that she actually makes Donny Long in the video seem sane.

I think time has told that he is the truly insane one. She was just fucked up on drugs that day.


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