:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

fuckin ay... keep it up man.

It says right there "numbers are representative estimates". There is no source. We don't have that information. It's just to make a point.

Most of us here who have been around would agree that less people are willing to "pay for porn" now versus in 2003 or 2005.

Dating, cams, dick pills are great but they don't completely make up for the old paysite revenue overall. Some people are going to lose. Most people are going to lose. That's what happened and is happening. No surprise there!

let me try:
10 seconds after the cum hit the screen while on a tube - he isn't interested in a webcam session, joining a date site.... nothing porn related.

a pill ? yea right.... maybe a cigarette ... he got better things to do now that the monster is fed and he can go back to do something productive

How can you say there are less people when the internet has been doing nothing but growing every day since? Growing in all aspects, more available for your potential customers, more competition, more free options. No way are there less people paying for porn, the internet is just way fucking bigger.

This is all just anecdotal though. A couple years back I remember trying to break it all down using figures about the number of people going on the internet now versus 10-15 years ago and which countries they were from. It wasn't an academic style paper and just a stupid forum post while having a bitchfest with Fabian but basically after a certain ratio of people willing to buy versus not willing to buy increases it is indeed a net negative.

I don't recall the exact numbers without looking but to illustrate the concept let us say there are three times as many people online now versus 2003. Well if the average willingness to "pay for porn" per person online is now 10% of what it was in 2003 among people online then versus now you still have a NET LOSS. Adding three times as many online users doesn't make up for that.

Most numbers I see from people suggest that porn has diminished over the years in industry monetary volume despite the increase in surfers. But none of this is exact either. I'm open to being shown wrong if you have contrary figures.

Perhaps a affiliate big tobacco / Car parts catalog / cold beer exit traffic pop-up might just do the trick ! :1orglaugh

I wonder if any cigarette producers will use pornography as a way to advertise. Like, produce smoking fetish content, but displaying the brand name and whatever in the video.

I think you misunderstood his post :)

Arnox please check your email and icq i've sent you messages but you didn't answer. :(

Sent you another email. Trying to fix ICQ right now.

Let me know you got the work?

good thread
died too quickly

*coughs*

These days I just use pics and videos to generate the traffic, I don't expect any sales to the regular kind of paysites but rely more on cams, dating and physical products.
I would say the biz for regular paysites is pretty much dead. Ok, you can create some kind of unique content and probably generate a decent amount of sales but soon your videos will be all over the tubes and torrents and you will also have 50 similar paysites in your niche.

So if all the porn producers die off where does the porn come from then? With no one making money at producing porn then supposedly all the tubes and free sites would have nothing to share. I doubt everyone wants to watch shitty amateur porn. There has to always be some kind of demand for a quality product. Maybe it wont be with the current memberships model but I would think demand would drive some kind of profitable avenue for porn.

Might be, but YouTube hasn't killed off Hollywood. There will always be a demand for premium content.

I envision a higher demand for a bigger diversity of content producers with a streamlined delivery processes completely eliminating the subscription model.

Over the weekend I had a chance to exchange information with a couple of people involved with the film "In Real Life." Now according to some of their research most of the online porn is viewed by minors.

Forgetting for the moment that minors should not be getting acces to porn and just focus on the business side of things. Minors do NOT have money or credit cards. Therefore I will argue that the channels of distribution are flawed.

In any business it is vital to get your product closer to those that will actually pay for it. If the Internet is no longe able to do that then it is time to find a new method of delivery.



Yes it has.
If you talk to any of the studios you will discouver that Youtube is on the top 10 enemy list with sites like the pirate bay, etc.

The studios are hurting for money and it is the reason we are seeing all the super hero junk at the box office. They are not taking chances anymore because they are loosing money. Which means that unfortunately there will never be another film such as the Matrix, etc.

You should read up on what David Shaheen has to say on the subject.

http://www.dga.org/Craft/DGAQ/All-Ar...d-Shaheen.aspx

In my opinion the solution to many of problems rests in

1) Stop marketing to people that do NOT have money or are not willing to pay. And the best way to do this is scenario driven films with sexual content they will not want to watch. ( And that does not necessarily mean that anyone needs to film 80 year old women having sex with a twink while having her head defecated on by a donkey)

2) Finding a new way to distribute porn outside of the Internet. And that will not be easy. I think it is time to kill DVDs and come up with a new medium that exploits HD to the fullest and also can NOT be copied.

Funny this got bumped. I was doing some research on other forums to see what people thought of porn in regards to money. Starting in 2011 the general consensus in most IM forums other than GFY has been that porn membership sites were largely dead particularly for the little guy/affiliate. But you started to see people saying this increasingly in 2008 too. Now I noticed very few are focusing on adult dating or cams either and that seems to be declining as well for the little guy and for whatever reason. That's just what I see from trends people are posting on other IM forums besides GFY. You can see it by using search and typing in a few program names. Often you will see that many of these dating or cams programs peeked around 2006 in webmaster interest. Around laste 2009/early 2010 there was a rather large drop off. Similarly in early 2012 there was another moderate drop off.

Btw if you don't like what I say and can't act like an adult and refute me with facts or logic save us both the trouble and see my sig.


Youtube really isn't that bad though. Compared to the tubes in our industry (at least how things were a few years ago there may have been some improvement recently) they are angels. They have a fingerprinting system which catches about 40% of content from major studios. The studio is then allowed to block the content or allow the content to stay up but they can monetize it by running commercials and banners. The money then goes to the studio. Some use it to show previews of their new movies.

For the things which miss the fingerprinting Youtube gives the uploader three strikes. After the second strike the ability to upload is removed for some time. After three strikes the account is terminated and all videos are removed. The weakness here is that pros will simply open another account. However Youtube does honestly seem to try to prevent people from opening another account and you do see people complain about getting chain banned where all their accounts are removed. They can't touch the people buying hundreds of phone verified accounts but they do try and I would say at least Youtube makes an honest effort.

They have continually made more money year on year since 1995.

http://www.the-numbers.com/images/grey.gif

Source: http://www.the-numbers.com/market/

Try again.

I'm not a huge affiliate by any means but I recently had a record month.

Maybe I am growing but to the pace of the yesteryears.

Well I am happy that there is a site like "the numbers" to put things in perspective.

So if the studios are making so much money then perhaps we need to duplicate what they do.

• 1) Get an industry team of sue hungry lawyers that flood tube sites with legal fillings and lobby the gouvernement to pass laws against piracy..

• 2) Stop producing gonzo and all pathetic semi-gonzo then go make cgi based super hero films

• 3) Go back to the pussycat theatres (we closed our theatres but Hollywood never will)

• 4) Sell spin off merchandise. (action figures, official dildos, used panties in happy meals, etc)

• 5) Adopt a Hollywood style star making machine. (No more of this 20 year old woman sodomized today disappears tomorrow approach)

Back to where it started ... just a couple of guys making ALL the money.

This isn't that big of a problem for Hollywood as it is for adult because most people still want to go see the movie on the big screen. I think it will always be that way or at least for the next 1-2 decades. Adult on the other hand is made for distributing free content and the situation will continue to get worse.

why would they want to pay for webcams or dating after they cummed watching free porn ?
their sex drive is zero after they cum - in this stage they don't want anything to do with girls

I am someone that has actually had my films shown on a silver screen back in the 1970s. I have and always will condem this industry for always trying to find an easier way to make money and consequently shooting itself in the foot. We should never have allowed our cinemas to close

The industry will continue and even the tube sites will die off.

For the tube sites it is the old wisdom of "you can only scam so many people for so long before it comes back to bite you in the ass." Therefore the fake traffic, declining click to sales ratios for advertisers, lack of documentation on performer age, the inablity to keep porn out of the hands of minors, et cetera is nothing more than a chain smoker in a gun dynamite factory. Sooner or later it will all end.

But right now one tube company is rumoured to have some pretty big contacts keeping them in the game. However from what I hear they're in bed with people that even the mafia would not have considered back in the 1970.

Many people prefer interaction (even to jerk off) :)
This why cam sites and dating are still huge.

When youtube has full length movies that aren't split 10 times and hidden by name. Let me know. Until then, they are no comparison to a porn tube.

Wow. This thread is still going? I made it months ago!

it's the subject of the thread.
people keep searching for thread with this title and when they see this actually is on subject - they read and sometimes comment.

Just a few random thoughts outside the box,

10 years:
- all existing paysites will be gone or sold
- all existing porn producers will be gone or sold
- all porn will be produced in third world countries where it is cheapest
- all tube sites will be owned by manwin
- all content will be owned by vivid
- all proccessing will be done by ccbill
- some newbie will invent the definitive 'itunes of porn' site and it will dominate
- porn will be banned on the entire internet causing a second one to be created called pornnet
- the entire pornet will be subscription access based and will have every porn site that exists
- vivid, manwin, ccbill merge
- manwin will buy pornet
- the end :)

But you are forgetting one thing..

If a Pornimator is reprogrammed and sent back in time to protect John Holmes, then the future could be altered.

i think cams and tubes will rule.

maybe 3D games?

http://content.porndemotivators.com/...emotivator.jpg

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Por...d3_3723818.jpg

:stoned

ADG

What about a micro-transaction model? You see it all the time with MMORPGs. The game is free to play with basic content but there is an upsell charge for the premium stuff.

I don't know how that would translate to porn sites...maybe low res v. high res or adding the ability to download vs. not being able to download. I just don't know.

What I do know is that the subscription model has all but died out in the online gaming world. How long before it bleeds over into the porn world?

We are starting to see some of this in the webcam world (and to an extent with clip stores). You find a webcam girl you like you tip her X amount of tokens and she gives you a movie of her riding her favorite toy or fingering her biscuit or whatever. They also crowdfund there now as well. If a girl wants 3,000 tokens to get naked it doesn't matter if one guy pays it all or 300 people each pay 10 tokens. There are plenty of freeloaders, but there are enough willing to pay for the boobies that it works.

Recently there was someone on here asking for people to look at their site and they had a similar model. You could browse the whole site then buy individual movies off of it.

Will that work? It could, but the more savvy the surfers get the more they look around and say, "Why should I pay $4.95 per movie off this site when for $20 I can join that site and in a few days download 1,000 movies?" It is working for camgirls, but they can offer a one on one experience that most paysites cannot.

My prediction is that eventually there will be basically two levels of online porn. Most people will give up trying to make money with older stuff and it will all be available for free. Those sites will make some money with advertising. The other end of the spectrum will be sites that can offer something truly original. Be it just high end, top notch content or live one on one cams or some kind of virtual reality/interactive thing where you plug a fake vag into a USB port and you can bang the the girl of your choice. Hell, they might even have it go both ways so you can connect with someone on a cam and use the USB vag to bang her while she uses the USB peen to drill herself and you have virtual sex.

Those that produce this top line content will be very protective of it so finding it for free will be very hard or impossible.

So you're saying that in the end porn still sells :2 cents:

;)

I added a little to it.

10 years:
- all existing paysites will be gone or sold
- all existing porn producers will be gone or sold
- all porn will be produced in third world countries where it is cheapest
- all tube sites will be owned by manwin
- all content will be owned by vivid
- all proccessing will be done by ccbill
- some newbie will invent the definitive 'itunes of porn' site and it will dominate
- porn will be banned on the entire internet causing a second one to be created called pornnet
- the entire pornet will be subscription access based and will have every porn site that exists
- vivid, manwin, ccbill merge
- manwin will buy pornet
- manwin will send a team of Porn2000 webmaster robots back in time. They will look, smell and drink like regular webmasters, but these bots will buy up all sites and assassinate those who choose not to sell.
- The Porn2000 robots kill the creator of the tube script nullifying the tube revolution. They strike down any and all TGP webmasters that will not sell.
- With tube sites and most TGP's now gone forever manwin launches a bold new future that consists mostly of circle jerk sites and small free sites that would be submitted to link sites. Since they now control the past and future of porn they have everything, but have stopped the madness of giving away everything for free and they rake in trillions.
- Awash in money Manwin unleashes the Political2000 robots. They look just like politicians. They win all elections and take control of the US government. As the design improves they take over other countries. Some countries manwin simply buys up and owns outright.
- Funded now primarily on CJ sites and link sites, Manwin now owns the world, but the average person doesn't know because they are still too frustrated and busy scouring the internet for tiny free clips of porn that they will never find to bother reading news sites. By the time they give in and join a paysite their orgasms will be so intense they won't care who is running the world so long as the porn membership stays in tact.
- the end

I've started to turn my direction toward webcams. I think that people really enjoy the interaction that they have with girls. My Free Cams has women who bake cookies and send their used panties to tippers - I think this level of relationship with a viewer is going to be worth a lot more than any tube.

I wonder if MFC will always be unique in that aspect, because as far as I understand it, no other network has the same community and social element that it does.

Either way, it's going to be fun finding out. :thumbsup

10 years? Oh come on now half of you will probably be dead of a heart attack by then.
I seen the webmaster event pics many of u are fat fucks. No cookies for you.

as soon as this biz gets its shit together and is able to sell small downloads for a couple dollars..just like songs on iTunes...with a trusted system that already has millions of users CC info - like amazon or netflix etc...well then there will be a huge resurgence of profits and shit will be back on like kong.

I'm 22 and ran an ultramarathon a few months ago. 92k in 14 hours. :thumbsup

I'm here to stay, baby.

I like this idea! We have pornnet.com for sale if anyone is interested.

I ain't fat

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I hope she's training already.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../56/Terma3.jpg

Free and cheap is unfortunately priority now a days. I dont know nayone with a membership but i know plenty of tubers. Brazzers pornhub xnxx redtube and efukt are the sites i hear the most from peers.

I read an article recently about mainstream advertising on a porn site. Is this the future model perhaps? Porn traffic moving on to a poker or some such site? I notice a lot of popups for gambling sites appearing on porn sites

While selling content is pretty much fading out, services like cam's and hook up sites are still going strong and will continue to do so.

I'm continuously amazed at the massive amounts of money guys pay to chat with models and see them naked online...some of these guys must be blowing their rent money

I don't know man. Being single is a lot more affordable than being in a relationship!