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BareBacked 07-31-2013 12:38 PM

why are you obsessed with negativity and manwin ?

Spread love brother. It will bring alot more good and light into your life.. God blesss

troncarver 07-31-2013 12:44 PM

the more i read mike south news the more it just seems to become an all out attack on a single company not legit news about the industry 1 cents

ReggieDurango 07-31-2013 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740559)
Breaking news...Kayden Kross told manwin to "fuck off" and resigned.

its at http://www.mikesouth.com

Or maybe I made that up too....huh Deiter?

Okay Mike, now you're giving us a little more substance.
I haven't read your site yet but will Kayden be a free agent for boy/girl now? Or will she continue to elude we independent producers and sign a contract with someone else? Also, Mike, who is George? Who is DEITER? It's kind Strange because they used to call me DEITER as a childhood nick.

Dankasaur 07-31-2013 12:51 PM

BREAKING NEWS: Fabian had oatmeal for breakfast instead of his usual 72 virgins... Concrete evidence that Manwin is gonna collapse, tomorrow.

Only at MikeSouth.xxx

Nathan 07-31-2013 12:53 PM

Dude, seriously, if you have to keep using one of my middle names because you fucked up yet again in understanding biz docs you found online... AT LEAST spell it right.

Have not heard re kayden, I asked though and will report back once I hear something. Might also text her to hear her side of the story, but do not want to bother her if this is not true.

baddog 07-31-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19740557)
I used to go to a Diner every monring for breakfast. Then, one day, I go and the Diner is closed and the building is condemned! "WTF I was just here YESTERDAY. No one said they were closing, the building was being torn down, the Diner was packed...."

Businesses rarely (if ever) "admit" they are having "issues" (whatever "issues" they may be). So trying to extrapolate and surmise actual "facts" (what Fabian keeps asking for as "proof") from sketchy reportage (Mike South) is folly.

Manwin may be experiencing growth pains and therefore may be re-alligning their corporate structure but....so what? LOL None of that means what people in this thread (and industry) WANT it all to mean: that Manwin is "failing". People are prohecting all their Manwin-crashing hopes onto any scrap of "news" Mike South (or anyone) can come up with.

My call: move along people, there's nothing to see here (except Fabian/Nathan's snark-fueled remergence as a contributing GFY Member. Welcome back FB/N!).

Nailed it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740559)
Breaking news...Kayden Kross told manwin to "fuck off" and resigned.

its at http://www.mikesouth.com

Or maybe I made that up too....huh Deiter?

I just had a big breakfast, what does that have to do with anything?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 19740609)
Okay Mike, now you're giving us a little more substance.
I haven't read your site yet but will Kayden be a free agent for boy/girl now? Or will she continue to elude we independent producers and sign a contract with someone else? Also, Mike, who is George? Who is DEITER? It's kind Strange because they used to call me DEITER as a childhood nick.

And for the first time ever, I wonder who you are.

Imortyl Pussycat 07-31-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19740038)
Nathan is the intern???

Finally the truth comes out :1orglaugh

My daughter Kira considered the internship at Manwin LA before coming on board here at JuicyAds. Jay wanted to keep her in the fam so I have been training her since June and she is technically an intern here as Wizzo said. Her eval for hire date is Jan 1st :thumbsup

signupdamnit 07-31-2013 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19740516)
I was never on home confinement, that's another mike south rumor.

I was released 21st December.

The investigation is ongoing, no charges were filed until now.

And in terms of Manwin, since dec 2010 we tripled in size.

Tripled in size in 2.5 years. Seems a little dangerous.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan
Sorry, but where do you take this from? What is in disarray?? What properties are we risking to lose? I have yet to see ANY facts that are not simply stemming from uninformed and bad business minds.

It's all pretty vague but there are little things coming together. The Glassdoor review hints that there is a feeling that upper management doesn't have full control over the company. Too big, too fast. Recent acquisitions are not thriving. The arrest and ongoing investigation likely scared away some potential investors and partnerships. That wasn't a part of your plan. It was unexpected. But the biggest indicator might be you being here now talking to me. A little angry. Desperate to counter any insinuation that you are in trouble. Why?

None of us know for sure but you. And time will tell too. It means little to me either way. It's not as if your contraction or fall would save the industry at this point. It would be the same thing as has happened many times before.

Thanks for taking the time to respond though. That's one thing cool about you. :)

Nathan 07-31-2013 01:00 PM

Btw, I got numbers on our "layoffs"...

3 people let go at DP since jan-13.
20 in Canada
22 in PB la office (TV/radio)
4 in PB Mtl (online)

Now, these numbers like this mean nothing... Anyone want to take a guess at the following for the 4 above:
1) total employees today
2) employees hired since jan-13

2intense 07-31-2013 01:03 PM

he need LC

Markul 07-31-2013 01:03 PM

Yea manwin is broke... lol /sarcasm

m.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=166831

Nathan 07-31-2013 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19740626)
Tripled in size in 2.5 years. Seems a little dangerous.



It's all pretty vague but there are little things coming together. The Glassdoor review hints that there is a feeling that upper management doesn't have full control over the company. Too big, too fast. Recent acquisitions are not thriving. The arrest and ongoing investigation likely scared away some potential investors and partnerships. That wasn't a part of your plan. It was unexpected. But the biggest indicator might be you being here now talking to me. A little angry. Desperate to counter any insinuation that you are in trouble. Why?

None of us know for sure but you. And time will tell too. It means little to me either way. It's not as if your contraction or fall would save the industry at this point. It would be the same thing as has happened many times before.

Thanks for taking the time to respond though. That's one thing cool about you. :)

Why do people always claim I am angry if I want to explain or correct lies and mistakes?! So strange that logic.
I am not desperate, today is GFY day! :)

mikesouth 07-31-2013 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 19740609)
Okay Mike, now you're giving us a little more substance.
I haven't read your site yet but will Kayden be a free agent for boy/girl now? Or will she continue to elude we independent producers and sign a contract with someone else? Also, Mike, who is George? Who is DEITER? It's kind Strange because they used to call me DEITER as a childhood nick.

George K is the guy supposedly running DP and some think he is the big wheel at Manwin...Im skeptical on that

Deiter is one of Nathans many names...he seems to dislike my using it, so I do

Kayden may or may not be retiring from porn, she hasnt decided yet.

Roald 07-31-2013 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740559)
Breaking news...Kayden Kross told manwin to "fuck off" and resigned.

its at http://www.mikesouth.com

Or maybe I made that up too....huh Deiter?

Quote:

I am hearing that Kayden Kross told Digital Playground/Manwin to ?fuck off? last week. Not sure where that left things but I do know that she is refusing to shoot for them, even girl/girl scenes which she moved into back in March because she didn?t like the way they were shooting boy/girl scenes.

I do know she is still shooting carte blanche for her website and has been doing that but its up in the air whether Digital Playground/Manwin is releasing her from her contract willingly or not.

Right now Kayden is unable to officially make a statement but I expect one as soon as she can.
seems legit.

mikesouth 07-31-2013 01:11 PM

I also see that manwin is buying redtube....getting back to what they do best....stealing....

xxxjay 07-31-2013 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740647)
I also see that manwin is buying redtube....getting back to what they do best....stealing....

http://www.xbiz.com/news/166831

Dankasaur 07-31-2013 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740647)
I also see that manwin is buying redtube....getting back to what they do best....stealing....

God you're an idiot.

TheSquealer 07-31-2013 01:24 PM

Fact: mike south would not know a "fact" If it snuck up on him and hit him over the head, threw him blindfolded into a van, drove him 2hra to an abandoned farm house and then sodomized him with a baseball bat wrapped with sand paper for a month.

ReggieDurango 07-31-2013 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740644)
George K is the guy supposedly running DP and some think he is the big wheel at Manwin.

What? Mike haven't you been saying for months that Scott Justice is the one running DP?
Fabian, since today is GFY Day, I hope you don't mind if I keep asking you melodramatic questions cause that is what GFY is best for, melodrama! So what is the deal with Scott Justice? If you care to comment on that and if you're feeling really generous comment on how it ties in Jules Jordan and your ex deal with them etc.?
Finally, Fabian, who is George? We all can see who mike said George is above! Is Mike accurate or inaccurate in describing whom this George person is?
ok enough melodrama for my questioning for today I will let these questions play out maybe.

TheSquealer 07-31-2013 01:34 PM

Thee funny thing is that you guys hate manwin and hate tubes as an industry - that's fine. You think idiots like this are helping you by creating news, making up facts, making slanderous remarks and stirring up a conversation about a non event - but while you cheer for a non event and non news and invented stories ... What did you achieve? Jack shit. You achieved nothing, you changed nothing, you accomplished nothing. I don't think you're fuckkg morons because you dislike tubes, I think you're fucking morons because you have all demonstrated that you are clearly incapable of doing anything... literally anything at all to help yourselves or change anything.

Guess what? I think it's funny. There are a LOT of people banking on tube sites, making affiliate sales and making 1000s a day with traffic buys. I chose to be one of those people because you guys are just too fucking dumb to change anything or to even do anything besides bitch and complain.

epitome 07-31-2013 01:37 PM

...and Mike South loses all credibility in one email blast from XBiz.

Too funny.

mikesouth 07-31-2013 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 19740684)
What? Mike haven't you been saying for months that Scott Justice is the one running DP?
Fabian, since today is GFY Day, I hope you don't mind if I keep asking you melodramatic questions cause that is what GFY is best for, melodrama! So what is the deal with Scott Justice? If you care to comment on that and if you're feeling really generous comment on how it ties in Jules Jordan and your ex deal with them etc.?
Finally, Fabian, who is George? We all can see who mike said George is above! Is Mike accurate or inaccurate in describing whom this George person is?
ok enough melodrama for my questioning for today I will let these questions play out maybe.

He is theres a reason I said supposedly

RyuLion 07-31-2013 01:41 PM

Oh boy...

JosephFM 07-31-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740647)
I also see that manwin is buying redtube....getting back to what they do best....stealing....

But, but they have no monies!

Juicy D. Links 07-31-2013 01:44 PM

So any updates on the brand of Toilets being deployed and also if 2 ply Tp is used or 1 ply?

Wizzo 07-31-2013 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740647)
I also see that manwin is buying redtube....getting back to what they do best....stealing....

I guess the extra money they saved from using interns paid off... :winkwink:

Nathan 07-31-2013 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19740626)
Tripled in size in 2.5 years. Seems a little dangerous.



It's all pretty vague but there are little things coming together. The Glassdoor review hints that there is a feeling that upper management doesn't have full control over the company. Too big, too fast. Recent acquisitions are not thriving. The arrest and ongoing investigation likely scared away some potential investors and partnerships. That wasn't a part of your plan. It was unexpected. But the biggest indicator might be you being here now talking to me. A little angry. Desperate to counter any insinuation that you are in trouble. Why?

None of us know for sure but you. And time will tell too. It means little to me either way. It's not as if your contraction or fall would save the industry at this point. It would be the same thing as has happened many times before.

Thanks for taking the time to respond though. That's one thing cool about you. :)

We have 800 people working in Montreal, do you honestly think there is going to be nobody that gives a bad review? And you realize that usually people with a grunt will review and do a bad review, people with nothing to complain will not even have the idea to post a review.

What recent acquisitions are not thriving? And from where do you take that "fact"?

I give you one, obviously any investigation or arrest will cause concerns, but contrary to GFY, I actually explain things to investors in detail.

Nathan 07-31-2013 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 19740684)
What? Mike haven't you been saying for months that Scott Justice is the one running DP?
Fabian, since today is GFY Day, I hope you don't mind if I keep asking you melodramatic questions cause that is what GFY is best for, melodrama! So what is the deal with Scott Justice? If you care to comment on that and if you're feeling really generous comment on how it ties in Jules Jordan and your ex deal with them etc.?
Finally, Fabian, who is George? We all can see who mike said George is above! Is Mike accurate or inaccurate in describing whom this George person is?
ok enough melodrama for my questioning for today I will let these questions play out maybe.

George is the VP in charge of maintaining Digital Playground (among other things).

Scott Justice's official title is SVP Adult Media Platform Services. He handles our non-playboy TV and DVD (read non online) services. (BTW, a small lesson to not misunderstand SVP and VP: our US corporate titles are more detailed because of expectations from MSOs to talk to certain level employees. SVP in Manwin USA/Playboy Plus is right below the President of Playboy Plus who is right below the CEO of Manwin Canada. A VP in Manwin Canada is also right below the CEO.)

Scott joined us when we decided to move our DVD line production in-house to optimize it better and increase our margins. He also helped with Digital Playground since he knew the staff and girls well, DP was mainly a DVD product when we took it over, he lived in LA, and George is based in Canada. Scott was earlier this year promoted to handle all adult non-online media services, since he does his job very well. Since DP still makes a lot of money with DVD and TV versus our other products which make more online he still is greatly involved there through his new job.

DP in general though is handled by George based on goals and planning set by Manwin's board.

John. 07-31-2013 03:03 PM

Any spare seats on that board?! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19740730)
George is the VP in charge of maintaining Digital Playground (among other things).

Scott Justice's official title is SVP Adult Media Platform Services. He handles our non-playboy TV and DVD (read non online) services. (BTW, a small lesson to not misunderstand SVP and VP: our US corporate titles are more detailed because of expectations from MSOs to talk to certain level employees. SVP in Manwin USA/Playboy Plus is right below the President of Playboy Plus who is right below the CEO of Manwin Canada. A VP in Manwin Canada is also right below the CEO.)

Scott joined us when we decided to move our DVD line production in-house to optimize it better and increase our margins. He also helped with Digital Playground since he knew the staff and girls well, DP was mainly a DVD product when we took it over, he lived in LA, and George is based in Canada. Scott was earlier this year promoted to handle all adult non-online media services, since he does his job very well. Since DP still makes a lot of money with DVD and TV versus our other products which make more online he still is greatly involved there through his new job.

DP in general though is handled by George based on goals and planning set by Manwin's board.


ReggieDurango 07-31-2013 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19740730)
George is the VP in charge of maintaining Digital Playground (among other things).

Scott Justice's official title is SVP Adult Media Platform Services. He handles our non-playboy TV and DVD (read non online) services. (BTW, a small lesson to not misunderstand SVP and VP: our US corporate titles are more detailed because of expectations from MSOs to talk to certain level employees. SVP in Manwin USA/Playboy Plus is right below the President of Playboy Plus who is right below the CEO of Manwin Canada. A VP in Manwin Canada is also right below the CEO.)

Scott joined us when we decided to move our DVD line production in-house to optimize it better and increase our margins. He also helped with Digital Playground since he knew the staff and girls well, DP was mainly a DVD product when we took it over, he lived in LA, and George is based in Canada. Scott was earlier this year promoted to handle all adult non-online media services, since he does his job very well. Since DP still makes a lot of money with DVD and TV versus our other products which make more online he still is greatly involved there through his new job.

DP in general though is handled by George based on goals and planning set by Manwin's board.

Nice post, thanks I appreciate your transparency today!
Maybe Manwin isn't the darg secret killer borg that ms paints it to be I don't know.. Fabian, I didn't think I was goiung to ask you another queation today, but you just fed me one that I now of course have to at least ask.
Manwin has a board of directors? Who's on it?

adendreams 07-31-2013 04:53 PM

Fabian is playing chess and some of you motherfuckers are just playing checkers...not even... fucking tic tac toe.

Not taking sides on the whole tubes/piracy debate at all - I'm sick of sending take downs to the tubes...trust me. But as an objective observer here ol Nathan just seems to operating at another level..I'm surprised you're getting your hands muddy here dude.

epitome 07-31-2013 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 19740899)
Manwin has a board of directors?

Why wouldn't they?

Continually astonished how few in adult understand how big business works.

mikesouth 07-31-2013 05:00 PM

Theres a reason I havent officially posted about the red tube purchase....reason is because it aint what yer being told....watch for it as soon as I verify a few things ;)

Sly 07-31-2013 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740922)
Theres a reason I havent officially posted about the red tube purchase....reason is because it aint what yer being told....watch for it as soon as I verify a few things ;)

Will you be using the same verification methods as your Porno Dan bust?

TheSquealer 07-31-2013 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19740923)
Will you be using the same verification methods as your Porno Dan bust?

He's too busy inventing facts under the guise of "having inside sources" to report on it right now.

Colmike9 07-31-2013 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19740925)
He's too busy inventing facts under the guise of "having inside sources" to report on it right now.

I'd like to see IPs from the emails. Could be a Fiverr gig for someone... :winkwink:

georgeyw 07-31-2013 05:12 PM

The only thing that I got from this thread is that Fabian likes to throw fuel on the fire by replying to Mike.

Captain Peacock 07-31-2013 05:12 PM

... and they are buying RedTube or whatever.

Colmike9 07-31-2013 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19740931)
The only thing that I got from this thread is that Fabian likes to throw fuel on the fire by replying to Mike.

What fire? There's just a pile of fuel..

Dankasaur 07-31-2013 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740922)
Theres a reason I havent officially posted about the red tube purchase....reason is because it aint what yer being told....watch for it as soon as I verify a few things ;)

So wait, you need to verify that something that's true happened first, but will throw false information around all willy nilly? :disgust

adendreams 07-31-2013 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dankasaur (Post 19740943)
So wait, you need to verify that something that's true happened first, but will throw false information around all willy nilly? :disgust

Post of the day :thumbsup


He missed his big Redtube scoop because he was too excited about the intern thread.

adultmobile 07-31-2013 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by webgurl
Nathan - can you turn your icq on? Thanks!
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19740073)
Message me on skype, better.

Ha! Really Manwin is getting out of business, they can't even answer ICQ anymore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 19740644)
George K is the guy supposedly running DP

Wasn't it Keyser Söze‎.

WoW! 07-31-2013 05:27 PM

After MAnwin bought ND, my conversion rates are 1:15000-1,20000 now...been promoting them for more than 5 years and never had less than 1:2500...sigh

The Porn Nerd 07-31-2013 06:50 PM

Nathan, why do you even bother replying to people who simply want your demise? What concerns me (about you) is this seemingly fetishistic need to over-explain shit that's nobody's damn business in the first place.

Are you doing this to try and gain legitimacy in an Industy where "legit" is measured in how many bro drinks you can buy (or consume)?

I do business with Manwin - disclaimer - and even I don't care about how many employees get hired, fired, leave, are disgruntled or do lines of coke off hookers asses in the bathroom. Why would anyone else? And why would you Nathan try and persuade/dissuade people who are inherantly entrenched in their own biases? This is what seems strange to me about you Nathan, your need to explain and prove legitimacy to people on a message board. Manwin's actions and successes (and yes, a few 'failures') should speak for themselves, no?

signupdamnit 07-31-2013 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 19740719)
We have 800 people working in Montreal, do you honestly think there is going to be nobody that gives a bad review? And you realize that usually people with a grunt will review and do a bad review, people with nothing to complain will not even have the idea to post a review.

What recent acquisitions are not thriving? And from where do you take that "fact"?

I give you one, obviously any investigation or arrest will cause concerns, but contrary to GFY, I actually explain things to investors in detail.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan
Why do people always claim I am angry if I want to explain or correct lies and mistakes?! So strange that logic.
I am not desperate, today is GFY day!

Oh wow I get not just one reply but two replies to my same message. I feel privileged. :)

That review wasn't bad overall. It was good in every other way other than what they thought of upper management and they were fairly reasonable in their criticism. I'm on the outside but even I can see that you guys seem to be having trouble managing everything you own/control. Webcams, Twisty's, Nasty Dollars, DP, Playboy it seems like things aren't exactly thriving there based on what little I've read. Feel free to set the record straight.

adendreams 07-31-2013 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19741016)
Nathan, why do you even bother replying to people who simply want your demise? What concerns me (about you) is this seemingly fetishistic need to over-explain shit that's nobody's damn business in the first place.

Are you doing this to try and gain legitimacy in an Industy where "legit" is measured in how many bro drinks you can buy (or consume)?

I do business with Manwin - disclaimer - and even I don't care about how many employees get hired, fired, leave, are disgruntled or do lines of coke off hookers asses in the bathroom. Why would anyone else? And why would you Nathan try and persuade/dissuade people who are inherantly entrenched in their own biases? This is what seems strange to me about you Nathan, your need to explain and prove legitimacy to people on a message board. Manwin's actions and successes (and yes, a few 'failures') should speak for themselves, no?

Maybe it's because he was a GFY'er from way back and just can't resist getting in and slugging it out a little with the boys. Nothing wrong with that, let's encourage more from him not run him off. I mean the dude who wrote NATS has been hanging around a long time, he probably gets tired of lurking and can't resist the bait when South spits out some libelous false rumor.

It's hard to stand by and watch a knife fight when you have the machete.

PornMD 07-31-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19741016)
Nathan, why do you even bother replying to people who simply want your demise? What concerns me (about you) is this seemingly fetishistic need to over-explain shit that's nobody's damn business in the first place.

Are you doing this to try and gain legitimacy in an Industy where "legit" is measured in how many bro drinks you can buy (or consume)?

I do business with Manwin - disclaimer - and even I don't care about how many employees get hired, fired, leave, are disgruntled or do lines of coke off hookers asses in the bathroom. Why would anyone else? And why would you Nathan try and persuade/dissuade people who are inherantly entrenched in their own biases? This is what seems strange to me about you Nathan, your need to explain and prove legitimacy to people on a message board. Manwin's actions and successes (and yes, a few 'failures') should speak for themselves, no?

The beauty of being rich is you can do whatever you want with your time. And here's a forum that talks about him all the time. I'm sure he makes appearances here and there just for kicks. It's not like anything he or anyone else could say about him here will really damage him in any way.

Supz 07-31-2013 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19739911)
yes, slavery is a unique american invention we've kept to ourselves.

Yea. The Americans in the Egyptian Desert before Christ :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh Fucking Insane this board...

Supz 07-31-2013 07:57 PM

This is a great thread.

Far-L 07-31-2013 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 19741016)
Nathan, why do you even bother replying to people who simply want your demise? What concerns me (about you) is this seemingly fetishistic need to over-explain shit that's nobody's damn business in the first place.

Are you doing this to try and gain legitimacy in an Industy where "legit" is measured in how many bro drinks you can buy (or consume)?

I do business with Manwin - disclaimer - and even I don't care about how many employees get hired, fired, leave, are disgruntled or do lines of coke off hookers asses in the bathroom. Why would anyone else? And why would you Nathan try and persuade/dissuade people who are inherantly entrenched in their own biases? This is what seems strange to me about you Nathan, your need to explain and prove legitimacy to people on a message board. Manwin's actions and successes (and yes, a few 'failures') should speak for themselves, no?

A few years back, we started working with Manwin. The decision to do so was primarily based on the way I felt Nathan/Fabian/Deiter whatever was handling the huge shitstorm that was raining down on him at the time. I felt his professional demeanor and explanations of the facts were in stark contrast to the GFY mob and it actually impressed me the level of accountability he had. We have only improved that relationship over time. The people we deal with that are part of the organization are some of the most professional and courteous we work with. You obviously buy traffic, post content with them too, so you know what I am saying is true as well.

I don't think he has to respond to the mob, and I don't he does so to satisfy some ego issue, but I think it is admirable that he still is accountable and I appreciate his candor. To me, he does it to represent his company and I also think that is something you and I both can relate to. Tell me if I am wrong.


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