:1orglaugh:1orglaugh god im so sorry

50 bullshit articles

wait, i thought you were just rattling on about torture and guantanamo and extreme shit.

make up your mind.

btw, this is the 3rd time you've mentioned illegal shit uncovered. the bolding on the word pushed me over the edge, he hasn't revealed anything illegal in the usa people.

you might need to get up to speed if you want to point finger.

Really? Is is legal to your government to spy on you? Congrats on that then.

http://thefinancialphysician.com/wp-...her-Poster.jpg

lots of wishful thinking and dreaming going on in this thread...

in the most simple of terms:

we had an opportunity here. according to snowden himself he still has the most damaging documents of all, unreleased. if the *story* had been able to stay focused on those document, i.e. if they were revealed and damaging, then we had a chance of this being a catalyst for positive change. the story would have maybe created transparency laws and more.

instead, the nsa has now come out and said, fuck yeah, we snoop it fucking all man, fuck you, business as usual.

the half-hearted attempt, the lack of valor, doomed the entire opportunity. that has everything to do with how snowden chose to handle it. look, a couple months ago it took me about 15 minutes to see the history of how these things go, snowden certainly could have done that. i never claim to be smart but i do claim to look into things and try and base my view on the history, which is what i've done here.

lost opportunity is due to snowden. ending up on the lamb in russia isn't good for anybody.

what planet do you live on that doesn't have a snooping government? :1orglaugh

not saying it's cool, just point out you are not exempt.

so what is your problem then....

Today, in the USA, every paper, in the gov or its agencies are '' TOP SECRET ,, .... even the toilet paper ...:2 cents:

He is a whistleblower, and the country heard the whistle !

no, the nsa heard the whistle and "all" of those stories are now re: the nsa stating for the record they snoop and it's perfectly legal.

not only that, but any of the other below the fold stories are about our fucked up politicians endorsing the nsa and their snooping programs.

my *problem* is snowden did more harm than good. i'm not saying there's a blueprint for how to become an ex-nsa snoop leaker, but his ill-thought out plan not only defeated any opportunity/chance/hope for change actually caused more harm by putting just enough data out there to have the government defend the nsa snooping and to cause the nsa to say yup, we snoop and according to snowden it's all very legal.


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I don't know. My own fucked up government never claimed that it's a free country. I know how exactly my government is spying on me. It does use CORM and CORM2. They don't work permanently, they can't catch encrypted traffic etc. At least I'm informed about that shit, I know how to avoid it and I don't believe that my country is land of the free.

Do you?

do i what? do i believe my country is the land of the free? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh please. i'm a porner. i had to come to terms years ago with the fact that my government isn't on my side.

Excuse me. Is "porner" not a citizen in the US or what? Do you consider yourself as a 2nd sort? Really. Please explain it, because I didn't get it at all.

rly? porner = pornographer. i make my living in the pornography industry.

Excuse me. Is "pornographer" not a citizen in the US or what? Do you consider yourself as a 2nd sort? Really. Please explain it, because I didn't get it at all.

why explain it to you?

i think i see your point.

a good comparison would be a homosexual in russia would be a 'second class citizen'.. right?

thank you! :thumbsup

It also depends. How exactly Russian homos will realize they are 'second class citizens'? :helpme

You are welcome :thumbsup

so you're saying the special laws targeting homosexuals etc.. those mean they're UBER class citizens, rather than 'no better than dogs'?

I should tell everyone in the city to stop pouring out your booze, and stop planning on boycotting your olympics

you aren't discriminating against these folks, you're putting them on a PEDESTAL

aren't these miscommunications funny?

You will be very surprised but there is a ton homosexuals in Russian. There is is ton of homosexual clubs too. What's a problem with them?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...c-problem.html

them? nothing

I am not surprised at all. However, i am surprised at your countries behaviour.

Honestly some rednecks/immigrants are still bent outta shape about it here in Canada.

One joke about homophobia and the 'why' of it all, generally straightens them right out.

if you don't mind the pun : D

I didn't get it. Reilly.

P.S. As usually, it's all turns into offtopic. GFY is just... GFY.

under current state of affairs there, i'd advise snowden to stay far away from these homosexual clubs you mention.

Cool, tell it to Snowden :pimp

you asked what the problem was. i sent you the link. if you don't understand, i can't say im surprised.

successful police state propaganda & brainwashing. Im amazed so many people fall for it, like they havent heard about nazi Germany and how Hitler had so many supporters.

i'm sure he's listening. :1orglaugh

I would love to live in Russia for one year. That's the good thing of being brazilian: we don't have problems with any nation in the world, only internal problems with ourselves.

i think snowden really is stupid and thinks whoever associates with him in any way is stupid too. logistically, how does running to hong kong from los angeles or where ever in the united states then get transported to moscow, russia, again, make logistical sense? if he was on his way back to be prosecuted by united states law in the united states?

snowden is essentially a traitor and good for him he has been saved by the russians but i don't really care.

Seriously.

Of course not. The homosexuals here are mostly the 1s class citizens. All homosexuals I know, I know from TV because they are famous singers, actors etc. We even have a saing here: "Wanna be rich and famous? Be a gay then."

So I didn't get your comparison.

good job snowden, today's news cycle is all about how snowden is tired and misses his girlfriend. now that's a story that will create change!

p.s. the same girl he bailed on and left with the rent due. classy turnaround.

too bad - now i am going to miss him when i'm in Moscow next Thursday

Yep, Moscow is a very cool city. I've been to many places and I do confirm that Moscow is the best one to spend time in.

Just FYI: the yearly budget of Moscow is $52.4 billions, so it's a second city in the World after New York ($65.9 billions). For example, the budget of London is only $18.9 billions.

Are you gonna be in Moscow? For how long?

unfortunately just for 2 hours in airport transit on my way to Cuba

:(


8char

I'm gonna to explain my question. Some time ago the United States of America was considered as the best country in the World because of the freedom. Everybody knew that in the USA you are free. But what's about now? Where are those freedoms today? Could you say that you (as an US citizen) are more free than somebody say in EU, Brazil, Argentina, Russia etc? Do you have more rights than me or what?

Everything that comes from the USA nowadays does strongly remind me of the USSR in its worst exhibition.

i'm not in a freedom competition with you. i couldn't care less if you have more or less freedom than me or what exact freedoms you have now that you didn't have yesterday or wtfever. enjoy your life, do what you need to do, live where you choose to. if you don't like it, change it. works for me.

Funny you mention this. I was just reading this article:

http://io9.com/is-america-the-new-russia-1006054089

You would do differently? He'd just end up beign a martyr instead of a hero...

What Snowden did took balls. He is a hero, and not a traitor at all.

The government-owned media has clearly done its job.

and that's exactly why i think snowden is a complete fuckup.

this isn't supposed to be about him. it's supposed to be about the information. but due to snowden being a complete absolute fuckup, it's about whether snowden dies or is a hero.

that's bullshit. what you are all saying is you are accepting the attention about this being diverted from the data collection problem and making it entirely about snowden and whether or not he is a hero or a martyr or a leaker or a whistleblower or a good guy or a bad guy.


but his real true huge fuckup was in releasing just enough data for the nsa to admit to it because it is not illegal.


that's not hero level shit, that's fuckup level shit.

i said it before, i'll say it again: what the NSA does might not be illegal in the US when they don't do it to US citizens (really, they don't?) but it is illegal in many other countries

therefore i don't blame you when you are unhappy with Snowden but many other people actually appreciate to have their eyes opened.

and no, the extend of the data mining done by the NSA was not public knowledge yet

Please tell me you're going somewhere other than Varadero? Cuba is so fun. :thumbsup

actually Havana and Varadero - and something else i forgot

i have a Cuban friend who is already there and organizes everything for us

no hotels, no tourist guides, staying with locals... should be fun :winkwink:

you make this sound like an either/or proposition when you say

these aren't mutually exclusive.

the fact is he didn't reveal anything illegal and to make that worse, is claiming he is still hiding the really bad shit the nsa does because he is skeered for his life.

and i am sure you mean you are appreciative of the fact that snowden's effort revealed germany's own snooping efforts and for also being in cahoots with usa intel snooping.

we'll never agree on this - starting with the legal/illegal thing

your legal <> my legal

again, if it were up to me it would be illegal. not sure why that gets lost here. he didn't reveal anything illegal, that doesn't mean i am ok with it, contrary, i've said it umpteen times in this thread, he fucked up an opportunity by only revealing a slice of what he claims he has, that slice has been determined to be perfectly legal, case closed, the government and media has moved on to snowden being upset about the girl he bailed on.

i know it's important at gfy to find things to disagree on, in spite of several posts completely contrary to that. but i am scratching my head why peeps think that just because i am stating he released nothing illegal that i am ok with that and the intel gathering.