my last attempt: not illegal to US laws, illegal to many other countries laws

i'm with ya. what changes are resulting from that reveal? i hope something is changing there. because that's my problem with it here, nothing is changing. over here. some more people know about nsa snooping programs and they went on facebook to tweet about it and went back to the bigger issue of media generated racism.

i will tell you one thing that is fucked up with snowden are those what appear to be them high definition professionally shot photographs of him distrubuted to the media newsrooms around the world to accompany his story, that was just weird.

i also noticed he ran to hong kong to coincide with obama visiting china to meet their new president, however you would have to be an idiot to think they even mentioned snowden especially publicly, hell no. those two men are powerful men i think it is true of many politicians of various political belief they know how to play their cards right damn it.

this would be a good time this weekend to maybe watch catch me if you can starring leonardo decaprio.

way too early to find out if anything changes

but on our media it's right now on top of page 1: http://www.spiegel.de/

:thumbsup :thumbsup The best way

btw, i'm aware you've mentioned this many times, my point isn't based on my not hearing it, it's based on

1. snowden is otr stating he did this for the american people, specifically.

2. the tangential benefit that germans now know this is of no consequence to matters here, the fact that the usa broke a german/international law/rule about snooping just does not register. moreover, some of the chatter about it is that germany gov knew anyway, they all know that they all snoop each other's shit.

I love ad hominems!

So what you're saying is you don't understand why he would possibly be thinking strategically and keeping an ace in the hole, so to speak, right? If you keep your adversary in a very reactionary mode, you have a better chance at success. You knew that, of course.

The rest sounds like projection to me. I've not said anything that the media has or even remotely expressed an opinion until now(sort of).

But you have. And it's definitely what the mainstream media in the US has said.

i know many of you guys see it differently in the US - i wrote how many see it over here

and of course no one is delighted about the german government being involved as well

So before Snowden, there was a ton of discussion about these actions by the government in the mainstream, right?

Not just on reddit and with your other somewhat politically adept friends around the fire pit?

Right?


Or are you being dense still?

The Patriot Act didn't exist then. You seriously cannot be this dense.

no dipshit. i am saying snowden is no hero of mine. he's a dipshit coward, not unlike yourself, so i can see why you can relate to an ex-nsa snooper who stole a bunch of documents under the guise of doing it for the american people and now he's withholding those documents under another guise of a negiotating chip.

i can see how you get that and think that's hero shit and how you fail at seeing he's done more harm than good.

umm, you have no idea wtf you are talking about. the patriot act was not in effect in 2008?

you are fucking moron. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

umm, retard, what are we discussing? fyi:


SNOWDEN.

dipshit.

once i found supposed classified united states government secrets on kazaa. :thumbsup

i agree with you, snowden is not a hero because he has obviously waited for an opportunistic time that only inconvenienced and embarrassed president obama and blotted the national reputation (whats left of it) of the united states.

he thinks he can get a win win for those who he feels deserve it but ultimately he puts himself above anyone or anythng else. oh well, a lot of other people would.

exactly.

this part especially

thomas drake, the nsa leaker previous to snowden, stayed in the usa and refused to plea bargain the truth. he also released all the data he had. his charges of espionage were dropped, he's won accolades and is prolly getting some nice pussy too, all as a result

Obviously, since that's what the thread is about.

You seem to love ad hominems. Very classy of you. It makes your argument sound so much more logical.


But it's really just a reflection of insecurity.

Can you quote me saying that Snowden is a hero?

I'll be waiting.

Snowden is a HERO to the human race, it was about time some one had to guts to call out the US Gov! :2 cents:

I'll just leave this here, since according to our resident intelligence expert he's done more harm than good.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech...-whistleblower

but when you think about it it is about snowden and the n.s.a., the united states establishment, both.

that government is in serious trouble and they do it to themselves. corruption is rife in the highest echelons of office, watchdogs keep on watching no barking, fed up moles are coming to ground, all the people who could be helping the anti-war movement, who are the anti-war movement, aren't anymore. not even yoko ono, not even jane fonda, nothing but silence from either of them when we still need them too the most.

more to your point, prism is nothing new, even the social networking sites do this and that is sell your information to the highest bidder, they have been named datamines and of course you will read mark zuckerberg say he doesn't believe in privacy, however he will stop short of saying he doesn't believe in that mighty dollar.

again trying to make this about me. fyi brainiac, you're the one who took issue with 1 my posts back on page 1, trying to *explain* to me snowden master strategy of keeping an ace in the hole for himself which is exactly why he's a dipshit.

you keep failing to get that, prolly because you are so intent on turning this around to be about me. either way, and regardless of what my security level is or what your across the internet, gfy message board posts psychoanalysis comes up. i mean really, that's what 13 year old girls try to get away with when their view is shown to be sophmoric.

i couldn't care less if you think he's a hero or not. i'm comfortable thinking he's not.

nevertheless, you certainly seem to be able to get inside his head,

do you understand how bills are turned into law? have you even been following all of this since june to see which bills have already failed, which don't stand a chance? which do nothing?


as of right now, nothing as changed, the nsa is saying they are perfectly within their legal rights, bills have been struck down and the agenda is moving on.

if and when anything changes, i'll update my view on that.

So why do you blame Snowden for stating the obvious?
Is it because he took a number two on your system, democracy, justice, freedom and everything USA liked to act as if they have.
Or the fact that he fled to the country that was ruined twenty years ago and now can piss in your face with hiding Snowden without the fear of being hungry for the next twenty years?
If he fled to some puppet country, say, Bosnia, where he could be easily caught by the neck and extradited, would it be fine?
Or is it just because he fled, no matter where. If he published something irrelevant, why should he run in the first place?
If he just wanted to sell some info to the Russians why all the fuss? Cause he wants to clear his name? You seriously think that kind of people would give a flying fuck about that?

what?????? the only thing i blame snowden for is for being a fuckup. you might have had your eyes opened, face pissed in and your view of usa taken a #2 on thanks to snowden and that's neat, wtfever all of that means. but snowden and his actions have not changed 1 single iota of anything from my view.

and i couldn't give 2 shits re: where he ends up hiding out or what some shitstain like him gives a flying fuck about.


:)

i'm still chuckling over this. i've mentioned 3-4x in this thread that one of the big problems i have with snowden is how he should have released ALL the documents yet you conclude my view is snowden opened my eyes to 'merika and i'm butthurt over that.

you fucking wanna-be trolls crack my shit up. keep it up, it's all good for a decent chuckle.

It's not like he's the only guys who is capable of this.

Ok, man, sorry, didn't get you right away. Again, don't think it's his fault that no one really cares about things like privacy and human rights.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh