Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19749981)

Do you have any affiliate sites on the side earning you extra revenue?

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash (Post 19750001)

3d animated porn sells. I know because I made a killing with it over the years and still do. There are three ways to make money with 3d animated porn that I have seen

1. The bait and switch with the tube sites. Tube sites often show short, appealing animated clips to bring the customer in for a "Free membership." They then bang the hell out of their card, and then leave the customer with a members area that has nothing close to what the member thought he was going to get. Even though practice is shady, the niche obviously converts or there wouldnt be banners for 3d porn on nearly every tube site.

2. The second way is to produce extremely high quality 3d porn. This is extremely expensive and time consuming and it has to be damn near Pixar quality to be able to retain the customer. Here is an trailer of just one example of a high quality animation we did: http://vstroker.com/videos/katietrailer.html. This sells.

3. You use your animation talents and put together a 3d adult game.The bar has been set really low for what people think is good when it comes to adult 3d games. For under 10k you can throw up a site, use a crappy game engine, and get two characters screwing and then build upon that. My first game I started in 2007 for under 15k and it has done over a mil in sales. Of course affiliates take about half of that but not a bad return on an investment.

My advice would be to partner up with someone and figure out how to do #3. 3d stills are COMPLETELY dead and the only use I can see someone having for them is to fill up a members area to give the perception there is more going on in the members area than there really is. If you have the talents, then I would recommend #2 but as you probably know the bar for this is much higher than it used to be. The consumer is looking for motion capture quality animations or they just aren't interested. The tube sites promote god awful animations but the surfer never knows because he only saw a 4 second teaser before he gave up his card to be tagged. Little does he know that what he saw in that "preview" is pretty much the entire animation.

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash (Post 19750001)

3d animated porn sells. I know because I made a killing with it over the years and still do. There are three ways to make money with 3d animated porn that I have seen

1. The bait and switch with the tube sites. Tube sites often show short, appealing animated clips to bring the customer in for a "Free membership." They then bang the hell out of their card, and then leave the customer with a members area that has nothing close to what the member thought he was going to get. Even though practice is shady, the niche obviously converts or there wouldnt be banners for 3d porn on nearly every tube site.

2. The second way is to produce extremely high quality 3d porn. This is extremely expensive and time consuming and it has to be damn near Pixar quality to be able to retain the customer. Here is an trailer of just one example of a high quality animation we did: http://vstroker.com/videos/katietrailer.html. This sells.

3. You use your animation talents and put together a 3d adult game.The bar has been set really low for what people think is good when it comes to adult 3d games. For under 10k you can throw up a site, use a crappy game engine, and get two characters screwing and then build upon that. My first game I started in 2007 for under 15k and it has done over a mil in sales. Of course affiliates take about half of that but not a bad return on an investment.

My advice would be to partner up with someone and figure out how to do #3. 3d stills are COMPLETELY dead and the only use I can see someone having for them is to fill up a members area to give the perception there is more going on in the members area than there really is. If you have the talents, then I would recommend #2 but as you probably know the bar for this is much higher than it used to be. The consumer is looking for motion capture quality animations or they just aren't interested. The tube sites promote god awful animations but the surfer never knows because he only saw a 4 second teaser before he gave up his card to be tagged. Little does he know that what he saw in that "preview" is pretty much the entire animation.

Originally Posted by Loki (Post 19750002)

A few here and there but payouts come few and far between.

Originally Posted by Loki (Post 19750010)

:thumbsup

QFT 100% I'm actually in the process of doing #2 and #3 as well as what I did years back getting artists together to form a type of co-op / stable the end goal is for all the remaining artists to learn the new tricks myself and 2 others uncovered to speed up the rendertimes (you would not believe the frame rate now if I told you lol)

As for still content not selling I'd deff have to disagree with you there, it might not sell for you guys but I can point you (in private sorry) to at least 3 companies totally striving with 90% photo only content.

but as you said it does work for filler content which is what I have preached for the last few years before I left in 2011.

-Loki-

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash (Post 19750001)

Here is an trailer of just one example of a high quality animation we did: http://vstroker.com/videos/katietrailer.html. This sells.

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19750036)

whoa that is the nicest adult 3D animation I've seen. Who did it and how much did it cost?

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash (Post 19750050)

Thanks. It costs a lot and took a long time. It is completely interactive too. So the faster the guy uses our device the faster he is fucking the toon.

The guys over at bonetown, d-dub.com did it. They are awesome with this stuff.

Originally Posted by Loki (Post 19750010)

:thumbsup

QFT 100% I'm actually in the process of doing #2 and #3
-Loki-

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 19750088)

thanks, what software do they use to produce their stuff? i'd love to get one of my solo models tooned in 3D animation - sounds like it's cost prohibitive though.

Originally Posted by newB (Post 19750033)

I don't mean to add to your burden, but the LokiCash domain expired two days ago and is pending renewal or deletion.

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash (Post 19750035)

You may be right on the stills. I saw a HUGE decline in 3d still type content sales 4 years ago. Part of this was the economy, but I think a larger part of it was animated clips became easier to make. It started to become a lot easier to produce high res 3d animated clips in a much shorter of period of time. They still sucked for the most part but it looked better than stills. You also had a bunch of hobbyist on the Erotica forums who were making animations for poser. So for 100 bucks you could get some kid to setup a scene with a pre made animation and let it render for a day and then you would have a clip. You then repeat this 10 times or so and then you have the foundation for a new site for 1-2k that contain completely animated content.

My brutally honest opinion/advice. You cant keep kicking the 3d stills dead horse any longer. You should have gotten away from it 3-4 years ago or hedged by getting into another area. If it does produce income it is too small of niche to make it worth the effort since you are literally competing with 1000s of kids doing the same stuff. If you can figure out the the game situation that is your best shot. Or maybe since you know the industry well you should put yourself in a broker sort of role and team up with animators that already produce high level content and resell it for them. Best of luck to you. I wish you the best.

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash (Post 19750050)

Thanks. It costs a lot and took a long time. It is completely interactive too. So the faster the guy uses our device the faster he is fucking the toon.

The guys over at bonetown, d-dub.com did it. They are awesome with this stuff.

Originally Posted by Rebel D (Post 19750052)

Skyped ya

Originally Posted by Ferus (Post 19750092)

You are in the process of repeating what you have done since the 90's, but somehow expect the outcome to be profitable this time.

I don't have anything else to add to this, except I wish you the best of luck.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19750136)

Good luck Loki; I can't help but think Kickstarter would have been a good avenue for your mainstream goals.

You hit linkedin. fiverr or CL?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 19750121)

Loki ,
some years back you shot some content. Non 3d stuff...it was very ama gf style

Do you still have that for sale?

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19750178)

Being talented/artistic and knowing how to market your product are entirely different skills. Have you thought about teaming up with someone that can create a profitable demand for your talent?

Originally Posted by Loki (Post 19750220)

i will never ever EVER shoot live content willingly again lol

-Loki-

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19750245)

Would potential eviction be enough to make you do it?

Originally Posted by Loki (Post 19750231)

Not sure if you read everything in here so far or just skimmed it.....

Not trying to toot my own horn here, but in the Adult Toon world, I don't know of anyone else who has marketed the niche and themselves as much / well as I have over the years.

the results were being brought in by about 90% of the companies that have tried/launched/succeeded in the niche, countless write ups, interviews, speaking panels, and of course that oh so silly moniker of "The godfather Of 3D Toons" from AVN.

Again, (and hopefully the last time) the problem was NEVER this not being profitable, the problem is I STOPPED for the last 2 years, and moved on to other projects, meanwhile all hell broke loose, I lost everything, and not too long ago it was shown to me that I NEEDED to come back and make the switch to Video content production, All of my buyers need it, and no one is really making it.

The money IS / WILL be there as long as I KEEP / START making the content again.

BUT, kind of hard to do that in the situation I am in right this sec.

-Loki-

Originally Posted by B4DD4ZZ (Post 19750268)

lmao you always come here begging for money at least once a year

loki will always fail because he never, ever, EVER listens to anyones advice and always knows better

just skim his responses to everyone here

congrats loki

Originally Posted by geedub (Post 19750276)

Get over yourself. If you marketed yourself so well over the years you wouldn't be here asking for money, now would you?

Originally Posted by Loki (Post 19750292)

I'll feed you as well....

Yes if I marketed myself so well over the years, and then I retired from the industry 2 years ago publicly, everyone should know that I had returned silently to make video content.

-Loki-

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19750297)

Your personal marketing strategy is kind of strange. On one hand, you say how great you are. On the other hand, you say you are completely broke (indicative of not being great.)

Whether you are great or not, I have no clue, but your personal marketing strategy is a huge conflict with itself. Either run with the great factor and get jobs because you are great at what you do, or be humble and run with the broke factor and get some jobs to help you out and get you on your feet again.

What you should be doing, instead of arguing with people over your greatness, is contacting every single person that runs a 3-D site of any sort and offer them a great deal to get the cash you need. I can think of two potential buyers, that make a lot of money from 3-D, right off the top of my head and I'm not involved with 3-D at all.

Find them, contact them, offer them a killer deal, get back on your feet.

Originally Posted by geedub (Post 19750319)

If you retired, you wouldn't be here asking for money either. I am just saying you need to get serious. :thumbsup