Waiting for Vendzbama answer ....

So leases on public land is down, oil production is up, and your bitching about it WHY?

This is win win. We get to save our public land, and oil production is up. Everyone wins! (Oh, except for the Republican party. Who lost. Twice.)

I only addressed your first point in my initial reply, but you made so many good points.

Overall, you're making a point about the tribal mentality of so many people, and you're spot on.

for example:
In 2006, there was a revelation that BushCo was doing wholesale warrantless spying on US citizens. The democratic "leadership" (and their dupes) were up in arms about this blatant abuse of the 4th amendment. In 2013, there was a revelation that ObabmaCo was doing wholesale warrantless spying on US citizens. The democratic "leadership" (and their dupes) collectively said "meh" about this blatant abuse of the 4th amendment.

It's just like you said Robbie, if "my" tribe does it..no big deal. If the other tribe does it, there's hell to pay.

It's such a tragic fuckin' joke, and this country is going straight down the shitter because of it.

Tony's stupidity has this sign next to it.


http://www.sciencekids.co.nz/images/...nitysymbol.jpg

I remember having few words with you at Atlanta forum. You didn't sound that fucking dumb.

That's the problem. The "other side" does something and it's horrible, but when "my side" does it there's not a problem. Bullshit.

This is why I don't vote any more. It's no longer about the government serving the people, it's about the party winning at all costs.

Don't do that. If you don't vote, the tear-ists win. Just don't vote dem or rep:2 cents:

Agree on the first part, disagree on the second. While that's how it's presented in the lamestream media, that party shit is theater.

I can't remember the last time I voted or who I voted for; I think I voted for Bush.

I'll tell you exactly why. In the past I was a registered democrat as a young adult and gladly voted for Bill Clinton. I later voted for AL Gore but honestly wasn't sure if he would be a good president, but I felt he was likely better than Bush.

Next it was John Kerry, I voted for him because it was clear to me that Bush needed to be removed from office. I didn't think kerry would be another Clinton but he was good enough.

However, my right to have my vote counted was stolen by Republican lawyers due to a supposed mix up on my voters registration. I had to use a provisional ballot and later was sent information stating my vote was thrown out along with thousands of others.

I was one of the victims of the great Florida election theft and yes it sure as hell was a theft.

From that day forward I decided that the reality is that no one persons vote really matters, therefore I was always vote aginst the Republicans just in spite because they don't deserve to be a political power in this country with an significant power.

After this experience I registered as a independent out of fear I'd once again become victim of voter fraud at the hands of Republicans in a red state.

It will be a happy day for me when that party dies it's long overdue death.

I will say I would have voted for Obama in both elections regardless however I feel he's really let this country down, specially this last term.

He did however do what I expected of him in his first which was to get us out of Iraq and refocus the war on terror. It's just a shame he fell for the same BS as Bush with the whole NSA nonsense.

At this time I would gladly consider a independent candidate or a democrat but I will never again vote republican. While I never voted for a republican president I did vote for other republicans for lower offices if I felt they were better. That ended with the theft of my vote.

Reagan made the price of gas go down

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s1968-2006.png

That was a big factor in the fall of the USSR, less money for oil hurt their economy

LOL, Richard, how long has the gas prices hovered above the 3 dollar mark? Can you resad your own chart.
You know I brought a lot of stuff to this thread, you are sticking on something you brought to this thread from another thread, but ok, I'll play your game.


Take a look at your chart, the spike that went above the the $3 mark lasted 8 months.


Now look at the side under Barry.

It has been above the $3 mark for 28 months.


You do see the difference between 8 months and 28 months right?

Barry is doing everything to decrease oil production, yet lying taking credit for production being up.

You try to make this a us against them, I want a better country. I don't give a fuck about the gop vs the democrats

People keep trying to put me in a GOP guy, I really don't give a fuck about the parties.

Tony, seriously? When is the last time I quoted a Fox news source?
Been a long time, why?

Because people here blow it off when it's Fox, they list their news sources, yet still, no respect.

So this is like a game for me, I find sources that are not Fox that say the same things.

Unless it's a youtube video of a fox newcast with a democrat in it, saying what I'm trying to get across! LOL

watching the right leaning people here ensures I will vote for for hillary even if she becomes a baby killer. The GOP is plain evil. its ruined america and its dam well on its way to making sure it ruins all of you too out of spite for losing.

Fuck the gop.
The party of no must go.

Gas tripled under Bush, period.

Yet still oil production is up and yet still you bitch about it.

But every chance you get you turn this into "Obama is bad".

Supposedly Vendzilla gave up discussing politics on forums. I recall him saying this both publicly and privately a number of times that he was no longer doing this sort of thing as he had found it polarizing in some of his relationships, or something to that effect.

Yet, here is another political thread and he's locking horns like a champ.

:helpme

It was still under $3 a gallon for most of his presidency, most of Barry's has been above

It takes time for a new lease issued by a president to start producing oil, with Barry dragging his heels on new leases, federal lands will produce less and less. We will end up turning to more and more to imported oil. We saw this happen under Carter, then rebound under Reagan. Clinton issued more leases than Barry.


Prove me wrong!

IRS admitting they targeted the present administrations foes and those agents testified in Congress that the orders came from Washington

NSA doing things that the Vice President has said is a wrong thing

85 billion dollars being printing up every month to prop up the stock market.

The unions are against the Obamacare law because they feel it will reduce the hours of their members

food stamps usage up 400% under Obama, not about the price, but the need for that many Americans to be under the food stamp program.

I'm bored

Just hate reading people posting shit that they can't back up

Oh Obamacare is going to save us all from high prices, BULLSHIT, even the unions don't like it and they pushed to get it passed and another item of Obamacare just got pushed back another year. I guess so Barry doesn't have to deal with it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama...ry?id=19950052

The problem with Vendzilla is that he reads websites and news that are totally slanted in one direction and accepts them as fact without any verification.

A great example is the town that made firearm ownership a requirement. That's wonderful that Vendzilla believes in our 2nd amendment, but don't buy into the propaganda that the NRA spits out. That silly little town that the NRA writes about has a crime rate three to four times my home town - and my home town doesn't have a firearm requirement.

The gas prices is another example. Instead of accepting the fact that the price of gas rose three times under a Republican President (and an oil man at that), he wants to bitch about how gas has been over $3.50 for years and then wants to tell us about how gas went down twenty years ago under Reagan. The price of gas now is a direct reflection of the prior President allowing the price of gas to triple over his two terms, and what Reagan did twenty years is is completely irrelevant.

Vendzilla says "People keep trying to put me in a GOP guy, I really don't give a fuck about the parties" yet.... He somehow brought up Reagan, which is the best thing that ever happened to the Republican party.

The price of gas when Bush took office was $1.37... And your only argument is the average over his eight years was twice what the cost of gas was when he took office? That's pretty weak, isn't it?

Permits for one area is down, up for another. Domestic oil production is up. Yet you still bring this up like it's something bad.

Once again Brett...

Did the orders from Obamba? Nope.
Did the orders come from the White House? Nope.
Did the orders come from the Democrat party? Nope.

This is nothing more than the IRS doing it's job.

The NSA is obeying the Patriot Act, which was passed while Bush was president.

And?

Did you not see what just happened during the Bush Administration? The recession? You blame this on Obama, yet it was Bush who crashed our economy. This is not going to be fixed in ten years.

You are nothing but a broken record at this point.

Ok, you can't read a graph. I said it was $1.37 in an other thread, thanks for bringing it up and admitting I was RIGHT


If new permits are not issued, this will result in lower productions of domestic oil on federal land, he should be issuing more, but again, you brought this from another thread.

They admitted to targeting Conservative groups, what part of that don't you understand?

Obama said he would get rid of the Patriot Act, he renewed it twice, it's his now, Bush can't take it down.
Obama has had the office for 5 years, when will his be his presidency?

The country needs a leader, not an excuse!



Bush's first budget, written in 2001 ? seven years ago ? called runaway subprime lending by the government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "a potential problem" and warned of "strong repercussions in financial markets."

In 2003, Bush's Treasury secretary, John Snow, proposed what the New York Times called "the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago." Did Democrats in Congress welcome it? Hardly.

"I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis," declared Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., in a response typical of those who viewed Fannie and Freddie as a party patronage machine that the GOP was trying to dismantle. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," added Sen. Thomas Carper, D-Del.

Unfortunately, it was broke.

In November 2003, just two months after Frank's remarks, Bush's top economist, Gregory Mankiw, warned: "The enormous size of the mortgage-backed securities market means that any problems at the GSEs matter for the financial system as a whole." He too proposed reforms, and they too went nowhere.

In the next two years, a parade of White House officials traipsed to Capitol Hill, calling repeatedly for GSE reform. They were ignored. Even after several multibillion-dollar accounting errors by Fannie and Freddie, Congress put off reforms.

In 2005, Fed chief Alan Greenspan sounded the most serious warning of all: "We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk" by doing nothing, he said. When a bill later that year emerged from the Senate Banking Committee, it looked like something might finally be done.

Unfortunately, as economist Kevin Hassett of the American Enterprise Institute has noted, "the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter."

Had they done so, it's likely the mortgage meltdown wouldn't have occurred, or would have been of far less intensity. President Bush and the Republican Congress might be blamed for many things, but this isn't one of them. It was a Democratic debacle, from start to finish.

I can read a graph. When Bush took office, gas was $1.37. It continued to rise his entire two terms, tripling in the process. It topped out at $4.86 - and that, btw, is the nation wide average. It was a lot more here in California.

Saying "Gas was $1.46 when Obama took office and now it's $3" is misleading. Gas was $1.46 because Bush crashed our economy.

Yet you blame all of this on someone else.

Yet still oil production is up. Again, you talk about this like it's a bad thing when it's a good thing.

When the IRS sees a pattern of new groups that might have possible issues with tax fraud, they need to investigate further. These groups aren't being denied, they are getting a second look.

This seems to be rather common; They are doing this to ensure that political groups aren't hiding behind the IRS while violating tax laws.

This is the IRS doing it's job.

A leader who will get us into two wars with no end? Sure thing, that's exactly what we need.

Yet Bush failed to stop it. Shame on him.

It's $3 a gallon? Where? I need to fill up my pickup


the IRS admitted to targeting conservative groups, is it the job of the IRS to target specific groups? NO

Now you are bringing in the wars? I didn't say anything here about this except how Barry is using drones times more than Bush did

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aSKSoiNbnQY0

You need a more productive hobby sport. Discussing politics on GFY is like screaming at a brick wall.

:2 cents:

LOL, yeah taking a break. Mounting a TV in the Garage so I watch TV during my work out.
Then putting up shelves in my office.

I don't spend a lot of time on this, it is a good work out on my search skills and last 6 years is when I got into discussing politics, didn't really care before that.

My latest hobby is my Harley. Rode to a cigar shop last night, had a really nice smoke room in the back, friend of my GF owns the place.

I post mainly what I find on the net that isn't opinion, but based on fact, the more I find out, the more it pisses me off.

I'll check this thread later tonight

Is is the job of the IRS to investigate all organizations that have the potential to violate tax laws. This includes lots of charities as well.

It's their job, and this doesn't seem to have been politically motivated at all. No one was improperly denied anything.

So when a Republican president does it, it's okay, but when a Democrat does it suddenly it's bad?

"When my party does something it's okay, but when the other side does the same thing it's bad". Bullshit.

Did you complain about drone attacks under Bush? If not, you have no room to complain.

I didn't call them (Tea Partyers) all Crazy. The ones who make the news are crazy probably but i wouldn't say all of them are crazy.

Sorry man you've got it wrong. Printing money doesn't push up the stock market. The Fed can influence the money supply by changing the reserve requirements (Amount of funds held by banks against deposits). When they do this, banks can lend more money to increase the overall supply of money in the economy. They can also change interest rates. Lowering the interest rates stimulates the economy of course.



But see, thats the thing. You guys are so much better off now. When Clinton left, he left you with a surplus of cash. When Bush came in, he dropped taxes AND started 2 wars at the same time. In the past, a present raised taxes to support the cost of a war. Bush's 1-2 punch is what put you guys into serious debt.

As an outsider who sees the big picture, Obama is one of the best presidents you guys have ever had. Not perfect, and he seems kind useless at times when trying to get bills past, but he's doing alot to get you guys back on track.

Lol. This is a discussion, Baddog. If you can't keep up, get out of the way.

Mark you really don't know what you're talking about. Every financial channel on television has economists saying that YES the stock market is artificially high because of the Fed printing money.

I'm reading these things on GFY and it becomes increasingly apparent that there is a lot of misinformation amongst people.

If this were 20 years ago I could understand. But Google is right there to look up and find answers to all these things that are being debated here.

And by the way...let me throw some more gas on the fire.

NBC (very liberal news organization) is now FINALLY reporting the EXACT problems with ObamaCare that liberals have been saying were Republicans lying about.

One of the reports they recently did was on a guy who owns several SUBWAY franchises. He had to cut all of his employees hours down to 29 hours a week. He flat out says that it would destroy his small business if he had to pay for insurance for all his employees.

The result is that all of his employees just lost a big portion of their incomes. :(

Another of the reports from NBC profiled the recent cut in hours for 250 part time college professors in St. Petersburg, Fla.
They interviewed one college math professor who got the bad news via an email.
She said her income has just been cut in HALF and she is "devastated".

Funny thing is she's probably a hard core Democrat (as most college profs are). So she actually said this: "I had no idea that this would impact MY job"

LOL!

That's because she probably only watches MSNBC all along and didn't believe when Republicans were screaming about job loss due to ObamaCare.
A Professor...and she did NOT know what was coming because she is misinformed and lied to.

In other news....Congress passed a "subsidy" for their Health Care that will pay 75% of any cost that ObamaCare will bring to them (because Obama has insisted that Congress use it too). But now they have that "subsidy" that us "regular" people do NOT have. And it applies to all Congress and Senate and all of their staff.

Isn't that special?

Don't forget Obama gonna take our guns

That's cute!

Just ignore everything! Your "team" is winning man! Yay TEAM!!!!

Spy on us! YAY!!!!

Drones killing people worldwide! YAY!!!

ObamaCare killing jobs AND raising insurance rates (there is talk that in California it will raise them by ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!!) YAY!!!

IRS targeting people who disgree with the current administration. YAY!!!

GO TEAM! GO!!!! KILL ALL THOSE REPUBLICANS!!!

WE ARE THE DEMOCRATS!!! YAY!!!

Liberalism is a disease.

republicans are a cancer on the government; democrats are unbridled obesity. both of them are diseases that will destroy the country on behalf their special interests.

Saying "elect Hillary and see what she does" is not a discussion . . . especially when you do not even live here. :2 cents:

They say that every time a new president takes office. After hearing it for forty years I've learned to ignore it.

Obamacare should raise rates. It's designed to cover more people

But we just need to scrap the whole for profit healthcare nonsense and do single paying gov option already. Luckily conservatives killed that option but now complain about what we ended up with

nevermind. my bad for getting into a political thread. peace out.

I agree...IF we are going to continue to allow insurance companies, the federal govt., big pharma, and big corporations that own hospitals to all hold hands and keep jacking up prices ($50 for a dixie cup to drink water)...then we should just say "fuck it" and let the federal govt. tax us even more. Even though we are already so far in debt we are never getting out of it.

But what I don't understand is...in 2009 Obama had a Democrat Senate AND House majority.
Why didn't he do it then? Conservatives didn't "kill" it.

ANSWER: Because there's too much money to be made from the Insurance Company lobbyists! And the Federal Govt. under Bush had just bailed out THE main insurance company AEG with hundreds of billions of dollars.

Health insurance companies would be out of business with govt. healthcare (single pay). No way that ANY of these crooked politicians (including Obama) were going to do that.

He didn't even TRY to do single pay. Even though the Democrats COULD have passed it (though they did not want any part of that despite the bullshit they say).

They had the chance. And proved once again that ALL politicians are in it for the money.

When Obamacare insists on mandatory vitamin deficiency tests I will give it some credit.

I agree. Citizens united needs to go first

Anytime you get protesters, you are going to see the nuts come out. As big as the crowds were, it was small in comparison to the numbers of all of them. And the protesters were peaceful.
I think I have it right

Bernanke had to be extremely cautious in his announcement, since in May markets plunged after Bernanke told Congress that the Fed might reduce its purchases of bonds within a relatively short time, as early as September.

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/354613#ixzz2bzJGzERr

It's not about better off or even a comparison, I really could give a shit who's fault it is, I want to see some leadership and get these things fixed. Things are not better

Sorry, I don't see it that way