About member areas with prerecorded content, I forecasted it was going to end "very small sales" around 2004, which is when I switched to cams. So I figured what the OP said 9 years ago. I did not forecasted manwin or tubes exactly at the time, or torrent and so on, but the trend it was clear: cheaper and faster bandwidth for free prerecorded content.

But, you are too quick to consider "SCAM paying little", whatever is not adult programs.
WIthout consider cams, which is adult indeed, let's detail one example I made:

Gambling: it is legal in most countries (except USA), in fact often politicians are hidden shareholders of the companies who got state licenses in the various countries. Legal gambling market revenue is several billion dollar and increasing. In fact, when people are unemployed and poor, are more likely to gamble, than when busy with stable job. Talking with some major ad/traffic network rep's, I learn their main customers are, in fact, gambling - but this is geotargeted so perhaps USA guys here never see such ads.

I hear of no one tube or high traffic site of any kind who failed because can't pay hosting, really. Do you? They can sell ads always, or sell to a Manwin-like company if tired to find buyers for ad spaces every month. And they sell ads not directly: the ad networks sells most of the space for them.
I think ad networks is going to be a stable business "forever" (see google), of course as long as you're serving many ads so you have deal with many big (tube, pirate, whatever) sites. Yes some ad networks failed, but, not so many, compare it with other businesses.

I said fuck it and moved back to Houston after 6 years in LA. I see potential models all over the place that 5 years ago I could easily recruit with all the money from content buyers. Now I have nothing to offer them I would have to hustle to get a couple of shoots for them and the pay rate would be way less than back then. Its not worth it on both ends to shoot content like we use to. Pretty sad but life goes on. I am going to shooting mainstream primarily as porn is an uncertain future for me. I would like to shoot porn part time but I don't even see it being worth it from what companies want to pay now. I have seen larger companies saying that they want non exclusive more and more because they can no longer afford to shoot exclusive.

Most companies have gone in house and buy their own gear so they can train interns that will work for almost nothing. I had a major client that had me train a whole crew then pulled me out because they didn't need me after that. I was warned this would happen by other shooters but I couldnt really tell them no. They offered to cut my pay in half as an option to stay on board but that kind of pay doesn't allow a one man company to stay afloat. There are a few guys still around that have big contracts and are still shooting but nothing lasts forever.

He sees the future! No doubt a witch!! Burn him at the stake!!!

You did well IMO. Long ago when it was in it's heyday sometime between 1999-2002 I read somewhere (I believe here on this forum) of an affiliate I think talking about how he was getting out of porn. He was asked why and he mentioned the ratios rising and asked what people were going to do when it became 1:1000 or 1:2000. At the time it was such a bizarre thing to say and most people would have assumed it was some kind of joke. I had this funny feeling in my stomach as I read it and briefly considered he had a point but I eventually dismissed it with a "naaaaa". :1orglaugh You see, back then the rhetoric was that even if that happened there were millions of new people getting on the internet each day so that would make up for it. It appeared that things would only grow and grow with a future so bright you had to wear shades. :)

For the hell of it I've tried a few times to find that message to find out more about who the hell that person was but it was so long ago that I can't remember the exact wording of it and it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

It's pretty much already here for $0 if you know where to look and know what you are doing. Even the micro-niches. It's all at the forums, torrents and file lockers.

The average person doesn't bother with that bullshit. Those are strictly for free loaders who live mostly online and believe that downloading viruses and other fake files and time wasted scavenging for freebies has a payoff.

If the average person gets free porn anywhere, it is from Tubes.

HD porn conveniently streamed onto TVs is the future. The average person won't have to put up with being assaulted by animated ad vomit and pops or being skimmed to another destination. Sitting on the sofa and watching a giant screen of porn versus sitting on the sofa watching porn on a mobile phone, pad or laptop. Its a no brainer.

Yes but the average person also doesn't care whether their porn is in HD either. Only that it is of reasonable quality. I agree that the average person gets it from tubes.

Porn distribution will one day become more mainstream if it can overcome the current stigma and then it will be dominated by companies like NBC, FOX, and the like. Manwin and such companies will be merged in or become a fossil. But it will be some time and probably not on the TV as we know it.

I say once porn can be streamed over the TV, sponsors should line up to get their own channels and trim down their online operations to just photo gallereries.

If the content is going to be pirated, then let the pirates work harder at it - make them remove encryption from the streaming like Roku has before uploading it.

Or if you are old school, run it through an RF converter and make a VHS copy.

Now it is still too difficult for the average person.
When smarttv's are mainstream then there will be a pornflix. Download the app (html5), subscribe and select the content from your tablet/smartphone and whoppa.

so... what's in the the other news?

DVTimes bought a shit cheap laptop.

Paysites are dead, huh? The why has www.pornstarplatinum.com doubled sales in the last year?

do you have downloadable tube clips for that program?

Yes we do....adapt of die

Definitely agree with you on the low margin part.

Have to divide one more time, if I'm not mistaken. There is the number for how many views it takes to get a click. But then you need to factor in how many clicks it takes to get a purchase. The more precise the math is, the better a company can do with low margins. This business used to be sufficiently high margin that the math was not necessary to do well.

lol check tubes, still big part of rotation. We just added a bunch of exclusive sites and its doing as well as dating/cams

I might be using the wrong term for it when I say "cpm" out of some ignorance for the proper term. :) But I am using it in this case as in $3 cpm means for every 1000 views (or whichever we use and as counted on this site in question not on a sponsor or ad purchaser) Manwin is able to earn $3 by all monetization methods in use like popunders,ads,their own paysite ads,etc. I know for affiliates legal tubes often earn $0.50-$2.00 cpm these days. So I'm thinking $3-$5cpm for them is a reasonable estimate.

Totally unrelated, but sent you a PM man, dunno if you set it up to alert you, so I am alerting you manually. :)

If you are in this business and with all your statements, im curious to know what are you selling to survive? Your own Paysites? Cams? Dating?..

LOL
this place was always full of idiots
what i'm saying is - yes, there're still money to be made, but not because the industry is growing, but because i'm better than those who quit
and if you want to make sales you'll have to 'take' those from me or other profiting webmaster

i also won't be addressing most of the bs flooding this thread

Anyone here own PornFlix.Com hit me up if you do.

If tubes are the reason for the death of paysite model...
 

... then we must see the death of tubes too in the future???? More and more programs closing; less and less new fresh produced content. Less and less content to be added to the tubes. Customers getting bored. Decline traffic.. etc etc etc.

I wonder when this spoiled "everything for free" generation will start to complain that there is no more new fresh content.

But... everything must go to shit first...

Cams
Dating
Old sites selling paysites + pop unders + mobile redirects

Don't get me wrong I think a paysite could still be the way to go too. Because a part of the industry is on a downward curve does not necessarily mean that you cannot make a million or two in it. :)

I think there will be movement towards free porn production. Just as they cut out the affiliate they will cut out models, producers, photographers and others too. Volunteer models and producers will be working for free and publishing their porn on the tube. The tube will then sell dick pills, dating and cams off to the side. Part of what will bring this on is that not only will it be difficult to justify production costs but the average surfer will have so much professionally produced porn available that they will lose interest (even for free) and look for the amateur stuff.

This thread is sad but true. Companies should go on craigslist now and find interns to shoot your porn and face the charges when they get caught shooting without permits and condoms. They will work for free and take all the heat for you for very little or no money. They will even go out and buy nice equipment with their savings so they can be around hot chics and call themselves porn producers. You have an new generation of mope shooters that have no clue about actual production but they will save you a few hundred dollars per shooting since you no longer have the budget for real shooters. You might want to get a studio though most of these shooters will be living in their moms basement.

And what about paysites doing the same as the tubes: no more content behind a payform... their productions free to watch on their site making money with ads...
No more revshare for affiliates but they get paid for the traffic they send.

Ad money is usually less money than subscriptions. This is conventional business wisdom but it might not apply to adult since we've been destroying the subscription model for years. But I don't know everything or see the future. :)

Do you offer content that they cannot get at the tubes? Not just your specific brand but a different type of niche or micro-niche which is unique?

Will the surfers go to your site instead of the tube site? They've been conditioned for six years now to go to the tube sites. You'll have to overcome that.

When the tubes start seeing you as a competitor and they no longer need or want your content I am guessing that the free traffic from the watermarks and whatever links they provide ceases. Already most tubes will not allow watermarks unless you are in the CPP.

Sad news my friend.

:(

My content is not widely spread on the tubes and torrents. I have one video on 1 tube in the cpp to check if it would work for me but it's not really working for me (a lot of views-small amount of clicks to the site). So at this moment my bondageniche content is mostly exclusive to my site only (It could be that a video here and there is shared but i haven't found a site-rip for a long time now). I get visitors that search for: free "mydomain" movies- via google so it looks like i catch those fuckers too.

My microniche bondage type of content is not widely spread on tubes like the bondage-sex content from the bigger companies. That's something different then the damsel in distress bound and gagged fetish, where the bondage and the gags itself is the fetish. If people have bondagetraffic that doesn't convert maybe they should be aware of this nuance in bondagetraffic.

What is annoying to me is that lot of my competitors have their complete contentdatabase spread on sites like myvideo and dailymotion. I wrote some an email to
let them know and what to do to have the content removed. They really don't fucking care, these fucking idiots. It is saturating my niche in a way... on the other hand...
i always have my videos removed there so if people really want my shit they know where to buy it...

It's also amusing to check boards where people sometimes beg for someone to post my content or a working password to my site or how some fucker didn't manage to crack my site:321GFY During a hackattack my login form simply gets removed:)

Maybe that's why MY affiliates still have decent ratios! The only shitty part is is that it's a relatively small niche:)

Regarding to mainstream porn i can imagine why people won't pay for porn anymore...
it's all over the fucking tubes for free.....

Yes I think Kink.com really hurt the bondage niche by allowing (and even putting) their content all over the place on the tubes. It fucked a lot of people because they are so big and with so much content. It hit their affiliates first but then it also spread to everyone in the niche and those related to it in some way. By keeping YOUR stuff off you help parry the effects but you still get hit by it somewhat.

That's the story of things for the affiliate too. One sponsor does it, two sponsors do it, three sponsors do it, and soon there are few customers out there willing to pay ever again in the niche. And here we are. It's a damn shame.

Kink.com is not my direct competitor. The niche is different. My customers are not interested in the "sex" part. They don't even care about nudity. They care about the damsel in distress. But this niche gets hit by myvideo and dailymotion where a lot of non-sex-bondage is for free all over the fucking place. I literally saw people posting: "Wow... all the bondage from all the sites for free! Wish i discovered this site before".

I think there are 2 big reasons why affiliates don't get good ratios with kink anymore:
Indeed... it's all over the place for free
Second: They are so huge and wide-known that everyone knows them. Visitors really don't need an affiliate anymore to direct them to kink.com

Interesting... sponsers that don't put their content on tubes will have a better chance getting affiliates in the future... Businesses could make decissions based on that reality.
They do need to keep their shit from the free sites... also a challence.

I've been actively buying sites in 2013
Saw many offers. Most (like 80%) of sites for sale primary make money with brokers or other services (like 50%+ of income) and very few with paysites.

the ones denying thread title are either stupid fucks or surfers.
just that

dead means that they are not. so, i must be stupid fuck :)

it's different
i'm stating it for the industry, it's not growing bud declining while successful individuals still make sales

it's kinda macro and micro stuff

congrats on being alfamale of this biz :winkwink:

p.s. when do you come back to czech?