It cracks me up that so many fucking idiots can wake up every day and place what is a severely limiting belief on themselves - "I can't succeed"/"I won't succeed" and then spend the rest of the day proving themselves right WHILE patting themselves on the back for being so "smart" and having it all figured out.

Some of you people are just simple minded idiots that should be flipping burgers. There is not a single successful person anywhere that wakes up and starts their day believing they will fail, except for you fucking idiots.

You are losers
You are unemployable
You are failures

this is probably the only post i have seen you make that i can agree on.
however id be less harsh..lol

Met-Art seems to be swooping in and scooping up a fair share of ailing paysites.

I will laugh when advertisers will start quitting this free-porn-tube-era-model.

It's obvious they don't make much money, speaking about ROI.

So, free tube sites, who will pay your hosting bill? You better save some money for the days to come.

Here's the problem with Deiz (and this is true of 99% of GFYers who bitch about their lack of success): he has an entire business built up to sell his (affiliate) porn a specific way (directories, links, etc). Well guess what? You're having trouble selling your (affiliate) porn via the traditional way you always used to sell it.

So why don't you try something - prepared to be shocked by this now - DIFFERANT? How about de-emphasizing SignBucksDaily and trying a tube, or a cam site, perhaps an enhanced TGP - anything other than how you've made your money in the past.

But nope, Deiz and all the others won't do this because their ego is stuck to their own past success. I understand it's hard to scrap something that's been your baby for years but if that baby is no longer producing like it did (or should) then move on and have another baby, let the old kid fend for himself. LOL

Advertising never quit. There is always some. Not necessarily adult, be it gambling or "make money" scams.
Guys should all open ad networks for tubes, and try to get a spot in xhamster's, that's the future.

I love where this is heading.

I don't get why certain people are always personalizing the discussion where they think if someone brings up a decline in the industry or something negative in any way shape or form they are "complaining" and "stating they aren't making any money".

At first I thought maybe it was just a few people who occasionally misunderstood or just wanted to be asses and fight but there seem to be some people who for whatever reason cannot see a difference between these two things.

A discussion like this is on a macro level and not the micro level. When you make it out to be on the micro level it's totally inappropriate and mostly irrelevant. Knowing overall trends is useful for the business and I guarantee any major company in the industry is asking these same questions and trying to forecast in order to determine where they should focus future efforts for maximum profit. At least that is what real corporations outside of adult do. They even hire an entire economics department to consider these questions.

2005 called. They want your post back.

Affiliates need to think carefully about the process the average paying surfer goes through before they eventually join a site. :2 cents:

I found this on the Wikipedia article for Manwin:

In another thread I tried to figure it up.

100 million video views a day
$3 cpm

$300,000 a day or $110 million a year

That's not a lot considering how much traffic they are pulling. So the "low margin" statement is probably dead on if the numbers are anywhere near this. It's astounding to think that all those tubes that size only do that much money when say in comparison CCBill recently stated that they process over 1 billion in annual transactions. I was reading another article yesterday where CBS I believe spoke of a trend where advertising dollars for online companies tend to be peanuts in comparison to the subscription model. Interesting to consider that as applied to our industry.

Clearly most people here are emotionally attached to their businesses that they built from the ground up, I know I am. If someone says "paysite sales are dead", and I run a paysite, it strikes a nerve. You don't see me trolling the blog threads every day.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-29297081.html

<jaw drop>

Surely they are confusing hits with visitors or something? Is that really possible 533 million visits per day?

I think he is Russian? I don't think he meant that it's dead as in zero, impossible, nothing, everyone go home. If he did I doubt he'd keep his site up. Don't take it personally what happens overall as a trend can be completely different than what happens for you. And if you still do well it means it's that much more of an accomplishment.

They mean views. LOL Since there are only 6-7 billion people on the entire planet that would mean every single human being would have to visit Manwin sites 3 times a month. Or maybe 1 billion people visiting 18 times a month......naw, they mean views.

Adultmobile, there will always be blank advertisement (scam). They don't pay much. I am talking about adult programs. Why would anybody high bid if he can't make a profit.

Money they are making from ads will go down.

And one day, not so far away..

http://newsbusters.org/sites/default...uly/Bubble.jpg

He is?

Why is he pretending to be American?

The problem is there is nothing factual to base an industry wide discussion on, the only facts we have is what we directly see in our own stats, everything else is a SWAG (scientific wild assed guess).

You see pay site sales as terrible, I see them as booming. Method of sale is just different

You ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for the real crash, the Netflix of porn.
For 10 bucks/month you get all the porn you want in HD quality.
Only micro-niches are left over to make money with.

each market has periods of growth, stability and recession
period of growth is ended

it's not good and not bad
it's natural

or you stay and compete or you go

About member areas with prerecorded content, I forecasted it was going to end "very small sales" around 2004, which is when I switched to cams. So I figured what the OP said 9 years ago. I did not forecasted manwin or tubes exactly at the time, or torrent and so on, but the trend it was clear: cheaper and faster bandwidth for free prerecorded content.

But, you are too quick to consider "SCAM paying little", whatever is not adult programs.
WIthout consider cams, which is adult indeed, let's detail one example I made:

Gambling: it is legal in most countries (except USA), in fact often politicians are hidden shareholders of the companies who got state licenses in the various countries. Legal gambling market revenue is several billion dollar and increasing. In fact, when people are unemployed and poor, are more likely to gamble, than when busy with stable job. Talking with some major ad/traffic network rep's, I learn their main customers are, in fact, gambling - but this is geotargeted so perhaps USA guys here never see such ads.

I hear of no one tube or high traffic site of any kind who failed because can't pay hosting, really. Do you? They can sell ads always, or sell to a Manwin-like company if tired to find buyers for ad spaces every month. And they sell ads not directly: the ad networks sells most of the space for them.
I think ad networks is going to be a stable business "forever" (see google), of course as long as you're serving many ads so you have deal with many big (tube, pirate, whatever) sites. Yes some ad networks failed, but, not so many, compare it with other businesses.

I said fuck it and moved back to Houston after 6 years in LA. I see potential models all over the place that 5 years ago I could easily recruit with all the money from content buyers. Now I have nothing to offer them I would have to hustle to get a couple of shoots for them and the pay rate would be way less than back then. Its not worth it on both ends to shoot content like we use to. Pretty sad but life goes on. I am going to shooting mainstream primarily as porn is an uncertain future for me. I would like to shoot porn part time but I don't even see it being worth it from what companies want to pay now. I have seen larger companies saying that they want non exclusive more and more because they can no longer afford to shoot exclusive.

Most companies have gone in house and buy their own gear so they can train interns that will work for almost nothing. I had a major client that had me train a whole crew then pulled me out because they didn't need me after that. I was warned this would happen by other shooters but I couldnt really tell them no. They offered to cut my pay in half as an option to stay on board but that kind of pay doesn't allow a one man company to stay afloat. There are a few guys still around that have big contracts and are still shooting but nothing lasts forever.

He sees the future! No doubt a witch!! Burn him at the stake!!!

You did well IMO. Long ago when it was in it's heyday sometime between 1999-2002 I read somewhere (I believe here on this forum) of an affiliate I think talking about how he was getting out of porn. He was asked why and he mentioned the ratios rising and asked what people were going to do when it became 1:1000 or 1:2000. At the time it was such a bizarre thing to say and most people would have assumed it was some kind of joke. I had this funny feeling in my stomach as I read it and briefly considered he had a point but I eventually dismissed it with a "naaaaa". :1orglaugh You see, back then the rhetoric was that even if that happened there were millions of new people getting on the internet each day so that would make up for it. It appeared that things would only grow and grow with a future so bright you had to wear shades. :)

For the hell of it I've tried a few times to find that message to find out more about who the hell that person was but it was so long ago that I can't remember the exact wording of it and it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

It's pretty much already here for $0 if you know where to look and know what you are doing. Even the micro-niches. It's all at the forums, torrents and file lockers.

The average person doesn't bother with that bullshit. Those are strictly for free loaders who live mostly online and believe that downloading viruses and other fake files and time wasted scavenging for freebies has a payoff.

If the average person gets free porn anywhere, it is from Tubes.

HD porn conveniently streamed onto TVs is the future. The average person won't have to put up with being assaulted by animated ad vomit and pops or being skimmed to another destination. Sitting on the sofa and watching a giant screen of porn versus sitting on the sofa watching porn on a mobile phone, pad or laptop. Its a no brainer.

Yes but the average person also doesn't care whether their porn is in HD either. Only that it is of reasonable quality. I agree that the average person gets it from tubes.

Porn distribution will one day become more mainstream if it can overcome the current stigma and then it will be dominated by companies like NBC, FOX, and the like. Manwin and such companies will be merged in or become a fossil. But it will be some time and probably not on the TV as we know it.

I say once porn can be streamed over the TV, sponsors should line up to get their own channels and trim down their online operations to just photo gallereries.

If the content is going to be pirated, then let the pirates work harder at it - make them remove encryption from the streaming like Roku has before uploading it.

Or if you are old school, run it through an RF converter and make a VHS copy.

Now it is still too difficult for the average person.
When smarttv's are mainstream then there will be a pornflix. Download the app (html5), subscribe and select the content from your tablet/smartphone and whoppa.

so... what's in the the other news?

DVTimes bought a shit cheap laptop.

Paysites are dead, huh? The why has www.pornstarplatinum.com doubled sales in the last year?

do you have downloadable tube clips for that program?

Yes we do....adapt of die

Definitely agree with you on the low margin part.

Have to divide one more time, if I'm not mistaken. There is the number for how many views it takes to get a click. But then you need to factor in how many clicks it takes to get a purchase. The more precise the math is, the better a company can do with low margins. This business used to be sufficiently high margin that the math was not necessary to do well.

lol check tubes, still big part of rotation. We just added a bunch of exclusive sites and its doing as well as dating/cams

I might be using the wrong term for it when I say "cpm" out of some ignorance for the proper term. :) But I am using it in this case as in $3 cpm means for every 1000 views (or whichever we use and as counted on this site in question not on a sponsor or ad purchaser) Manwin is able to earn $3 by all monetization methods in use like popunders,ads,their own paysite ads,etc. I know for affiliates legal tubes often earn $0.50-$2.00 cpm these days. So I'm thinking $3-$5cpm for them is a reasonable estimate.

Totally unrelated, but sent you a PM man, dunno if you set it up to alert you, so I am alerting you manually. :)

If you are in this business and with all your statements, im curious to know what are you selling to survive? Your own Paysites? Cams? Dating?..