as long as you don't understand that this is not civil wart in Syria (only if Checenya , Kosovo,Bosnia,Saudia Arabia,etc are parts of Syria) , it is stupid to even bother to answer to you.

Read this, 'Ignatev' is not some conspiracy theorist, Sergey Ignatev was until his recent retirement the chairman of Russia's Central Bank. He's suggesting that Putin and his friends are looting the country and nobody's going to stop them.

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Ignatyev reports that total capital outflows from Russia were nearly $60 billion last year, and that illegal transmissions amounted to almost $50 billion. And then he threw this in: «Создается впечатление, что все они контролируются одной хорошо организованной группой лиц.» Translated: "It appears that the main body of the transfers was controlled by a single well-organized group of people." Russia is simply gushing cash from its veins, and a single enormous vampire is gorging at the bloody trough.

As Stefan Wagstyl of the Financial Times notes, nobody in Russia could fail to take Ignatyev's hint: there is simply no way that a single group of actors could make off with such enormous sums without the knowledge, and indeed without the complicity, of very high-ranking figures in the Russia Kremlin, if not the highest.

Charles Clover of the FT goes farther: he points out that the issues Ignatyev is raising are the same issues Sergei Magnitsky was working on before he was illegally arrested by the Kremlin, tortured, and killed in prison. Clover quotes Igor Yurgens, a former adviser to Dmitry Medvedev, stating that if what Mr. Ignatyev said about a "single organized group" is true, "such an operation would not be possible without serious support from law enforcement."

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/...xzz 2eiCIjPgy

Don't cop out, explain how what is happening in Syria doesn't fit the definition of a 'civil war'.

It's not a civil war anymore than Afghan or Iraq were civil wars. It might of started as a civil war but now that boh al queida as well as Hezbollah are involved is just a extended version of the same war that has been going on for quite some time. It's just a new battlefield.

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because it is foreign organised and backed attack. Muslim terrorists (you know ,those guys you are blaming for 9/11,) are attacking secular state while their fighters are coming from all those nice places where US already helped them so much ( you have a list in my previous post).

what are you 2 basing your view that it's all the sudden stopped being a civil war just because you just found out some al-quada are there?

srsly.

from perspective of person that actually lived in country devastated by civil war (fueled from outside in same manner like it is in Syria now), I think I have a pretty good judgement what is all about. Scenario is very similar and it looks stupid how it is working for guys like you after all these years. I won't spend my time trying to explain since it would take too much time. Relatively intelligent people already see what is all about, is is just a question are you one of them.

Putin and Netanyahu - Both make me vomit. US Gov was last month's vomit.

The struggle in Russia is Jew vs non-Jew. Been going on for centuries.

it's such a weak argument to say you don't have time to explain your idiotic view and if someone doesn't get your retarded view, then their the one lacking intelligence.

why am i not suprised you fail at seeing that lack of logic.

it's beyond silly to think that al-qaida just recently waltzed into syria and took over the civil war and all of the citizens who were previosly fighting went back to running their shops and such because all the sudden, you know, usa/al-qaida.

I don't believe anything written by socialists.

you do know we're a socialist-capitalist society?

I am waiting to read how you accidentally killed yourself using a toothbrush.

Bullshit! there's no such thing called "socialist-capitalist society"

By the way, I was talking about putin's letter.

You are a sponge for propaganda and religion Mutt; that's clear to everybody here apart from you :2 cents:

Putin is an infinitely better statesmen than either Kerry or Obama. The simple fact is that Obama is where he is because he went off prompter and said stupid, naive shit as he often does when he deviates from the script. Kerry fucked things up even worse for Obama with a simple off the cuff remark. Putin, without hesitation capitalizes and their naivete' and idiotic remarks and put the US and Obama Administration right where he wanted them, tied their hands and shut them down.

Obama is the one who began making threats, without a plan, without any understanding of what he was talking about and with zero support at home or abroad should he have to carry out his threats. Putin did not do anything other than capitalize on Obama/Kerry mistakes, stall their momentum, gain momentum of his own and keep that momentum going.

Sun Tzu would be proud of Putin and would be disappointed with Obama. If there was ever an armed conflict started by Obama it would most likely be because he is right where someone else put him, right where they wanted, when they wanted, how they wanted and doing exactly what they wanted. That is how naive, arrogant and out of his depth, Obama is in global affairs, politics and military strategy and tactics.

there both before and after Putin became President, you have no clue what he is about. I was there. He (for all his perceived faults) brought that country back from the abyss created by the Oligarchs, Yeltsin, endemic corruption and a bankrupt state. A state that went bankrupt trying to sell bonds at 50% interest for 6 months turning its entire economy into the worlds largest pyramid scheme. A state that had absolutely no economic plan until for quite a few years - until 1994 and it was completely bankrupt... to stealing a huge part of the Billions and Billions loaned to it by the EBRD, World Bank and others to save itself. Almost all of you have no clue what its like to live in and do business in a nation that has a legal system that is not simply broken, but where each law fully contradicts another law and there is literally zero chance of complying - leaving you constantly vulnerable to people using the legal system to make problems for you, often putting foes in prison. You have no clue what its like to do business where the penalty of not fulfilling your obligations, no matter how small they might have been was a bullet to the head. Before Putin, it was a system where judges, Police, KGB, Customs, government officials and anyone at all could be bought for pennies in the mid/late 90s. A state where you could pay a simple policeman to search a random person down for 50.00 and plant heroin and literally get them convicted for 5 years just because you didn't like them. A state where murder was easy and horrifyingly cheap.... and ultimately just a another business expense. It was a place where you could buy any document you wanted, even a passport and often cheaply. From simple things like "bez prav proverka" (no right to search) - a permit that would mean police could not search you or your vehicle for $5000.00 in Moscow to actual police license plates for $20,000.00 USD meaning no police would ever stop you... to any sort of government ID you wanted for $1000.00 or whatever. It was a state where every government post was for sale. A state where every government official (say Federal Legislature) sold off all related positions (aids, assistants etc), including the 3 federal government license plates they were granted for 100k each. A state where regional legislatures where all nothing more than all the local mafia figures because for a while, laws existed where they were immune from prosecution. Before Putin, it was a nation where the tax system was so broken that people and companies are taxed 100+ percent on profits due to the many conflicting local, regional and federal taxes. He reformed the legal system - where local, regional and federal law were not only in direct conflict with each other, but with the Constitution itself. He reformed the tax system. He created and passed a flat tax and dramatically simplified the tax system itself. He reformed the banking system. Most importantly, he stifled the "King makers" (original 8 oligarchs) and their corrupt influence - including the media empire, which was powerful enough to bring Yeltsin from a 5% approval rating to a second election victory in something like 60 days... only to allow them to pilfer more state assets in return, including many multi-billion dollar companies.

Never in my life will I forget the New Years Eve party at my place, surrounded by drunk Russians as i looked at the TV and noticed Yeltsin giving a speech. His manner seemed rather somber (though he was drunk/high on meds almost all the time and a babbling buffoon anyway for the previous 3 years). I turned up the volume and realized he was resigning as the first elected President of the Russian Federation. A historic moment. He was so disliked towards the end and there was so little trust in government that no one even cared around me. Even older adults puzzled me with their disinterest. No one believed in Yeltsin. No one believed in the Constitution. No one believed in the law. No one believed in Constitutional Rights.

No one believed in the future of Russia.

Putin was Prime Minister for about 6 months and would become President. He was a nobody at the time. We know quite a bit about him today, but at the time, no one knew anything about him. Thats what him being appointed Prime Minister curious. No one understood why this guy was Prime Minister. As Yeltisn read his resignation speech, I immediately realized what happened... A fascinating, silent coup d etat' of the KGB had just occurred. It just occurred in the full view of a weary public who really didn't care and who, as through all of the history of the nation had resigned itself to a miserable and difficult existence and had little to say about it.

Putins first promise to the Russian people as their new President however, was to restore order. He did that and more... and he did it against all odds. It is the nature of people to forget the past and think only about the present. It's easy for people to forget where Russia came from and how it arrived at where it is today. It's easy to forget that Putin was insanely popular during the first 2 terms because of his accomplishments. Because he fulfilled his promises to the Russian people.

It's easy to bash someone as being a "thug" when you have no clue what they were and are fighting and have no understanding of how serious that fight was and continues to be, affecting the very existence and security of a state... and most importantly, have no real understanding of how close that state was to collapsing since the fall of the Soviet Union. You live in the US. You live in Canada. You don't live in a place where spent Uranium constantly comes up missing from plants and shipyards. You don't live in a place where crews of a ship would steal a surface to air weapons system and try to smuggle it to Chechnya. You don't live in a place where attack helicopters would be found broken down and packed into a 40' shipping container bound for N Korea or China with fully functional weapons systems. You live in a place where your biggest concern is the release date for Grand Theft Auto V or a cell phone signal being dropped.

Forgetting about the "right or wrong" of Putins comments... remember this, Obama is weak and ineffectual. That's what attracts this behavior. Obama created the opening. Obama keeps setting himself up. Russia has been perceived in the world as being weak for decades (except by most Russians). It's only natural for any nation to attempt to elevate its status and stature in the world as it directly affects their political and economic relations with others and ultimately their own success and prosperity as a nation. Most importantly, a mature person understands that when Bush was President, Putin was all too happy to put on a cowboy hat and spent a few days at Bush's ranch with those two running around arm in arm. He respected power. And Bush, as inarticulate as he might have been, would not have been so retarded as to threaten a sovereign nation with a military strike without having a full plan in place, objectives defined and without the will to act. If Bush was president, Putin wouldn't have been using Snowden to make the US look weak just because the opportunity presented itself. They would have simply put him on the next flight back to the US or handed him over to the Moscow FBI because Bush was at least smart enough to understand that power only respects power... and that weakness attracts hostility. That game of using Snowden as a pawn would have been a very short one, if it was played at all.

Russia as with most countries as Putin said, is no different than any other state. Full of good and bad. Justice and injustice. Well fed and starving. Happy and unhappy. Satisfied and dissatisfied. Strong and weak. Just as the U.S. is.

The greatest difference between states are most often not real at all.
They are perceived. They are imagined.

Well, it is how you see it,and I see it like this: Since I know your previous posts here and after reading them (and from your friend Mutt), for me,trying to explain you
things relevant to this subject, would be equal to try talking to person with profound mental retardation (you can see it here what that means: http://www.healthline.com/health/men...rdation#Levels) .

I have tons of experience dealing with people in this and similar subject and I already know how much time and effort it takes to change someone's way of thinking. Basically, it took me several years for my well educated friends from France (professor of history and second one is writer) so they finally understand what happened. It is important to mention that they were already open minded and wanted to see and asked to come and visit places that you won't ever be able to visit. From that perspective, talking and wasting time with some rednecks would be really stupid and it is up to you how you will interpret that. (just take a look at post above how long it took for him to write something that was so obvious, but yet, some of you guys needed that explanation,anyway). It doesn't make any difference for me.

I agree with most of this except the end, people are not much different country to country but their forms of government and leaders can be very different, it's not just 'perceived' and 'imagined'. The Soviet Union and The Third Reich were evil empires and for all the flaws and hypocrisy people can find in the United States and its allies there is no comparison to be made.

I have no idea what country you're from but I'm not going out on much of a limb by guessing that it's yet another European outpost with a long history of dysfunction internally and with its neighbors and failure to thrive, necessitating some form of foreign intervention - which of course always causes hurt feelings and anger.

LMFAO... In US we have basically free public schools.. You lose.:1orglaugh

So the better option would be a military attack with many lives lost as a result? 'MURICA

As Reagan made that evil empire speech, more Soviets were cheering for him than against him. The people are not necessarily their government. Just as Syrians are not Asaad.. Putin is no better or worse than Bush or Obama. It is just one more nation protecting its own military and economic interests.

Any nation pretending to be on high moral ground is absurd. 100,000 dead. 1,4 million refugees and almost 3 years of fighting. Acting as if gassing a few men, women and children is somehow different simply because they weren't killed by snipers, stray rounds, artillery or air strikes is every bit as irrational as any other view. Believing a sensible solution is to weaken or eliminate a government where Hezbollah, Iran, Al Queda and others are waiting in the wings to fill the vacuum is naive.

To many in the world, the US is now the Evil Empire.... not a beacon of hope that it beloved itself to be.

The funny thing about Syria is that the best solution is as its always been. Let them weaken themselves, let foreign fighters get killed, let Iran waste money and hope that in the end, Asaad... who is the best of nothing but bad choices, wins.

Putin at least understands that the only outcome that doesn't thrust the region into further chaos (likely taking Jordan with it) is "business as usual" with Asaad. That's not evil, that's pragmatism and accepting a horrible truth for what it is.

mutt and i friends? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

next, you are the one saying the civil war abruptly stopped when usa started talking about syria and after you found out a few al-qaida are there.

i'm not asking you for a viewpoint change here, a simple link with a factual report of that change will suffice.

just some facts to support your view. no need for the mental health link, i have them on speed dial.

but let's just drop the charade though, you have no fucking idea wtf you are rambling on about.

let's be real clear about that. no need for links, etc. you've proven that.

however, using your mental health link combined with my requesting you provide a link to factual reporting, it seems you self-diagnosed yourself

Profound Mental Retardation
At this level, a person:
is unable to understand or comply with requests or instructions


is immobile
must wear adult diapers
uses very basic nonverbal communication
cannot care for own needs
requires constant help and supervision
has an IQ of less than 20

100,000 dead and growing daily. 1.4 million refugees. The typical European response to any brutal dictator murdering his own people "well... uhm.... hmm.... so..... uhm....?"

Does standing by and watching little kids get gassed make you better?

very interesting insight, thank you for taking the time to post.
it is interesting to see your opinions are affected by this exposure to this very "low" level of civilization.
many in the western civilization doesnt understand that a large portion of the world still goes by the old "dog eat dog " set of rules.. show weakness and next thing you know there is hostility.
Obama is living in the other realm where he thinks that when someone is weak, then they need to get help, not attacked. For good or bad this is how most of the civilized western world has evolved and that is why we have such a difficulty dealing with the "old" civilizations where punishment and revenge is very violent and people's lives are not respected or valued.

putin is in power in russia until 2018 and because of his tactics, more likely for life.

I doubt he gives a fuck at what his personal bank account says.

As long as he is in power, he has unlimited money.

yes.
great post by the squealer.

Nice to read about another side for Putin.

....... ummm ..... hmmm ..... ooops, wrong topic ..... yeah ....................

I must admit, it is sad that you are using already infantile joke about mental illness to continue, but it telling much about you.

For factual reporting, you can always visit CNN and get some more instructions what and how to thing. It seems that worked perfectly until now (maybe they have some section for jokes,also....I mean, for people that can't think something on their own). Anyway, as mentioned above, getting involved into this or any serious subject will take time. I don't have time for empty talks and have much smarter things to do. Only thing that I don't understand here is, how it possible that someone who is sitting so much in front of computer (like you) didn't research relevant sources and can be so limited? You joined one year after me on GFY and there is more then 10 k posts compared to mine. Obviously, you don't have a life but why don't you use that time to go through different sources? Anyway ,it is up to you and not my business.

And regarding civil war you are talking about: Since I was in same situation,I know much better then you how "civil" war looks like. Let me ,at least, try to explain to you: While "western" medias are telling same story about civil war (as in Syria now) and some "poor" muslims fighting against repression and dictator, we were looking black hawks unloading help over valley. Also, often when terrorists nests were taken down,it was full of fresh NATO equipement. Explaninig to you on what dates and when (so you can research on your own) american army dropped weapons to even if it was no fly zone and truce probably wouldn't make any difference for someone with such tough stance. Beside that, it is not civil war as long as neighboring countries are helping with logistics, weapons,artillery attacks, etc.

Only idiot (after all these already told episodes in previous few decades), can still believe. From what we know, most of normal people are against this staged war (at least from what I manage to read on mainstream medias where comments are deleted very fast).

Meanwhile, trying to get other sources will, maybe (but I doubt ) help you rethink your position. For example, Turkish news (yeah.great american allies, mass murders of Kurds and helpers of terrorists in Syria) : http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syr...&NewsCatID=341

he is right but you simply would not understand why...I come from the same country as he does and there is no point in explaining one mother fucking staged event after another...and epic level of fake bullshit with that westerners are simply blind to, because they trust their honest US government so much, that its really a waste of time explaining....

we had 50 years of peace, then came US support for terrorists and human organ traffickers (UN says so LOL) , and all of a sudden civil war breaks out :1orglaugh

isnt it funny how the usa ALWAYS has somewhere to invade?? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh the level of blindness of some americans is right up there with north korea LOL

yo, brainiac, it was c&p from the mental health link you posted.

jfc.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

just 1 link to a factual report that the civil war has abruptly changed now that obama made a comment about it, because, as you know, that's all that has changed....you do know that right? we haven't "gone in". we haven't launched weapons. we have not done jack shit except yap about it, yet according to you, since you were prolly no more than an infant in bosnia, expect people to think shit's changed because you "were there man"

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah

again, just a factual link.

shut the fuck up.


again, you fail to even comprehend the vocabulary necc to have a dialogue.

invade? fucking idiot.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you fucking retarded anti-americans can't see past the end of your own hypocritical noses.

no wonder russia is a clusterfuck and you let shitheads like putin run off with 10s of billions of dollars while you spend your time bitching about merika.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh



lolo;s

dumasses.

so let's be clear-

you 2 dimwit bosnian fuckwads think that since you live in bosnia you know what the fuck is up in syria? and then you tell me i don't know wtf i'm talking about because of cnn/western media,etc. and i haven't been there/i live in america.

FYI FUCKWADS: YOU HAVE NOT BEEN THERE EITHER- YOU ARE READING THE NEWS ABOUT IT TOO.

yet you fail at providing 1 single link to anything that backs up your retarded anti-american view.

pretty clear who's mentally defective re: this.

Yeh, you can't help but laugh at people like richard who criticize sources like BBC and CNN saying they are biased yet get their information from sources like youtube and 911fakearcihvesinsidejob.info

As I've mentioned, you have too much time.. From some reason,it seems you are personally involved in all since you have so much replays, one after another. I guess you don't have nerves to write one post so you are going one after another. Ending posts with "haaaha..., lolo;s, dumasses,". etc, is telling enough about you. (probably about your age or education level). Two, more important things then my personal opinion:
1. No one is anti american (your simplified way of thinking and resolving problems can see that this way, but that is not my problem).I guess that every one of american citizens that is against this mess in Syria is ,anti american, too?

2. No one is from Bosnia.

As far as I am concerned,keep smiling,laughing and screaming, and resume showing us your "knowledge" of geography, it is actually really fun. (you don't even know that Muslims in Bosnia are armed by CIA and got their islamic state in Europe. Since you are looking for facts (you should learn to use search engines already ), few links for you : https://youtube.com/watch?v=2Ffcf6H-WbE and http://www.rferl.org/content/syria-b.../25011213.html )

you need to be on the receiving end of US foreign policy for 20-30 years and then you become and EXPERT...I do not have to know SHIT about syria just like you do not have to know shit about for example alquaida bombings in pakistan. No links needed. No proof needed. ALquaida are shitbags, second only to the US army and foreign policy....

get real...you guys have dropped more bombs than hitler since WW2 :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

piss off with the north korean brain wash LOL your main export is bomb :1orglaugh fucking unreal LOL

then what country did you participate in civil war in? you just said you have first hand experience of usa black hawk helicopters unloading help over valley.

where and when was that?

i'm going to tell you when it was- it was before you were even fucking born.

i could play the *my country had civil war before i was born* bullshit too, if you want to start pulling wars out of your asses.

the simple fact is you have no fucking idea what the fuck you are yapping about. as for post count, umm, retard, you are posting here too, but trying to say you are the authority on how many posts at gfy are right or wrong, i hjave more posts than you in the same amou nt of time therefor............

you know how stupid making a post with that sort of shit is right? i don't think you do.

jtfc.



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that has zero to do with you claiming this is all the sudden not a civil war.

again, instead of acting like the anti-american you are, just supply 1 link with facts that this is no longer a civil war.

just 1 link with some facts, hell, just 1 link with 1 fact.



you can't do it, that's why you resort to saying i'm too mentally defective to understand, i need to have 20 years of usa foreign policy.

honestly, you 2 are pretty stupid.