Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19799677)

Hey you fat fuck. So am I right? You pissed because the 2 dozen burgers your fat arse eats a week will go up in price. You're pretty pathetic to worry about someone making $10/hr. Worried that they make more money than your sorry ass?

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19799682)

When I saw the thread title "Whopper Floppers" I though this was a post about giant natural tits.
I was like :)

Then I read it and was like :(

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799475)

While it's been apparent through most of this thread, at this point, you're just trolling for effect.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799475)

The topic is not about cost of living adjustments. This is about entry level unskilled workers wanting to make the wages of a skilled worker who has a career.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19799592)

And it's a whole $2 an hour over three years. Geez.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19799687)

http://i2.listal.com/image/2985521/6...udia-marie.jpg

Just for you buddy.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19799702)

Its best to speak percentages when speaking about matters like this. Its whole 25% increase. Pretty huge.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799128)

Yes, rich people are to blame for your lack of value in the work place. Rich people are to blame for your lack of skills. Rich people are to blame for your lack of education. Rich people are to blame for your inability to better yourself. Everyone is to blame except you.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19799695)

I already pointed out how extreme Capitalism gives birth to the need for welfare. Once the simple facts are laid bare on the table, there really isn't much more to debate.



Even with a $2 increase, Whopper Floppers still have quite a ways to go before they start making the same hourly wage as electrians, carpenters, plumbers, mechanics, etc.

Hell, I made $19 hourly delivering parts and tools to electricians at O'Hare back in 2002. The electricians were well above $37 then, the foreman beyond that plus transportation and fuel cards. And we're not even factoring in the matched 401K contributions or yearly bonuses. Oh, and 100% medical and dental insurance.

LOL

Originally Posted by bushwacker (Post 19799685)

I am in agreement that the minimum wage should be raised. However, at the end of the day these jobs are ENTRY level positions, mainly for high school, and college kids.

If you are still flipping burgers in your thirties, and this is your primary source of income, well then you have failed at some point in life. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19799732)

I know you like to troll but the ultra rich have a lot of splainin to do, ricky. And barry is about to drop larry summers back into the fed job to get the last few drops out of the collective american cock before barry hits the speech circuit...

Ever tried to go to a "good school"? One that can actually land you a "good job"? Like buying a house.

I can see prices going up a nice tick at fast food slop pits so get your happy meals now.

Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19799741)

The average mcdonalds worker is 30 years old. Considering they employ 760,000 people in the US that is a lot of failures.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799749)

Everyones life is exactly what they make it. Thats the sad truth about our existence that losers want to deny in order to stomach being losers.

There used to be something called "The American Dream" - the idea everyone embraced (mostly immigrants as locals were too busy whining about unfairness) where everyone could work hard and excel and better their lives. THats been replaced with laziness, self entitlement and the general idea/excuse that everyone must be a victim of someone else if they don't have a new corvette in their garage.

Ever hear an athlete complain about unfairness? About racism? About bias? No. Why? The stopwatch and stats always tell the truth regardless of race, creed or color. Life is no different.

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 19799734)

Those days are long gone.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799532)

Life's not fair, and the sooner you understand this concept, the better off you'll be.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19799702)

Its best to speak percentages when speaking about matters like this. Its whole 25% increase. Pretty huge.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19799780)

W

Anyway It seems as if some people can only feel better about themselves when they put down others.

Originally Posted by iwantchixx (Post 19799787)

Getting all your panties in knots over nothing...

Minimum has been over $10 here for ages and nobody closed up shop anywhere over it. Prices just increase and people pay the prices.

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19799780)

Anyway It seems as if some people can only feel better about themselves when they put down others.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19799797)

Where?
And how do you know that nobody closed the shop? You mean nobody from the shops you frequent maybe?

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799801)

A week ago you were defending that Damian/Markham guy DVTimes for what YOU felt was people being rude or talking down to him despite no one really was. Now you're off defending the fry cooks. It seems a recurring theme here with you since you've become bitter about the fail in the adult affiliate game over the past year.

One of these days you're going to find more productive ways to spend you time other than fighting with complete strangers on the web, defending other strangers you've never met, arguing with PR Glen and alike because they have a differing opinion and focus on your business.

Once you actually achieve some level of consistent success, only then will you truly understand.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 19799805)

Why so angry anyway?

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799808)

I am not angry. I am making a simple point, along with a few other business owners in this thread, that most of you guy have no idea what the TRUE COST of a pay raise or employee is. Here is a link example for your pleasure to educate your brain.

The 'real cost' of an $8.50/hour employee to business = $13.51/hour

http://www.employ-solutions.com/RealCosts.asp

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799808)

I am not angry. I am making a simple point, along with a few other business owners in this thread, that most of you guy have no idea what the TRUE COST of an employee is nor appreciate the ripple effect. Here is a link example for your pleasure to educate your brain.

The 'real cost' of an $8.50/hour employee to business = $13.51/hour

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19799801)

You should spend more of your anger and energy on your business, then you would have more success and less fail to be negative and bitching about daily.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798373)

You, like all other poor people have no real clue how business works. The added costs are ALWAYS passed to consumers. YOU are paying for the pay raise... not the "evil corporation". Fucking moron.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798421)

It works quite well for those that actually adapt. Not so well for dipshits who are in a perpetual state of befuddlement at the fact that money isn't just falling out of the sky.

We all understand that a high minimum wage is very important to you, _Richard_ and signupdamit. When you have no skills, no education and no real ability to make money in the very business you've been in for years... the future has to look pretty bleak. Add on top of that your mom bitching that you didn't make your bed, your dad threatening to throw you out of the house and add to that, the constant worry of your bicycle getting stolen and life has to be pretty stressful.
:2 cents:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798432)

Print these threads out so you have something to amuse yourself when waiting in line, applying for food stamps and welfare or so you have something to keep you laughing in between Johns you are sucking off at the park to make ends meet.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798523)

These issues affect everyone. (except Canadians... though that never stops _Richard_)

These issues are about what we expect of people. What society expects of people. What standards a society has. What standards a society wants to hold its people to.... and what we expect of each and every person. The "American Dream" was never "get a low paying job and then demand more from society".

The message "hey no-skilled assholes who have no value in the workplace because you have no skills, experience or education - you deserve more". is not a great message. I will pay for it directly with higher costs. I will pay for it indirectly as we continue to create a society that - instead of demanding the best effort from everyone and that expects everyone to strive for greatness is slowly being replaced with self entitled idiots who know absolutely nothing about how the world works and believe they need to be rewarded for non-achievement.

The message should be "you need to keep moving up. You need to keep working harder. Keep improving your skills. You need to keep improving your education and INCREASE YOUR VALUE in the workplace. Not simply demand more for a job you shouldn't be doing for more than a year anyway... because its not a career, nor was it ever meant to be"

I am not uber wealthy. I don't try to be. I try to enjoy my life. I don't think I am better than anyone because of my bank account. I think I am better than those who don't try.. because I and those I choose to surround myself with, do.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799128)

Yes, rich people are to blame for your lack of value in the work place. Rich people are to blame for your lack of skills. Rich people are to blame for your lack of education. Rich people are to blame for your inability to better yourself. Everyone is to blame except you.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799750)

What a horrible fucking message to society to sit and argue that the guy washing the lettuce shouldn't be expected to move up in life, improve his skills, his education and job, he should just demand more money for washing lettuce. Thats how the USA will remain an economic super power. By vilifying success and those who work 80hrs a week and risk it all... and instead letting the inmates run the asylum. Makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799751)

And now... what the fuck. Fast Food in the USA is a life long career - not a first job. Not a temporary measure. Go team.

Time to learn Chinese. You people are fucked and you are dragging the nation down with you.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19799702)

Its best to speak percentages when speaking about matters like this. Its whole 25% increase. Pretty huge.

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 19799850)

33.3% increase :2 cents:

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19799860)

from 8 to 10 as far as I read in this thread :)

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19798472)

In ideal world. In reality - there are not enough of quality people to fill all the job openings. Meaning that some percentage of work force do not even meet minimum wage requirements, but there are not enough of people to replace them all.

Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 19799741)

The average mcdonalds worker is 30 years old. Considering they employ 760,000 people in the US that is a lot of failures.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19798323)

What's funny is California is so diverse, not just with its people but also its geography. The farming valleys are absolutely massive and make up a huge part of the country's agricultural output. Raising minimum wage in poor valley towns to make up for the high cost of Los Angeles living does not make much sense to me? basically sounds like the inner-city politicians have way more power than the rural politicians (which I would guess is fairly common), but those rural businesses are certainly going to take a hit.

They should put up a new sign on the Tijuana entry. "Hello migrant workers, we welcome you!"

On the bright side, this could spur technological innovations. Speed trains to bring in workers from Oregon, Nevada, Arizona?

Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 19799878)

Look at it this way, maybe someone will be able to finally pay you $70 to buy that shitty ass domain you've been trying to sell for months in your sig. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19799822)

All that blaming and rage is only going to end in an ulcer.

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799909)

"blaming"?

Oh...Thats what you're calling my expecting people to strive for more, to constantly improve their skills, to continually educated themselves and therefore be worth more in the marketplace and have the life they want instead of just doing nothing and demanding that everyone else pay for their xbox and iPhone5?

"blame"... uhm... yeah...

Working at McDonalds used to be embarrassing. It was supposed to be. It means you are on the very bottom rung of the ladder of the workforce and should immediately start climbing.... That is how you get past the shame and earn respect.. the respect of others and build self respect. That doesn't happen by just pounding your fist and demanding those who did pay you more so you can wash lettuce as a career choice. Thats not a good message for anyone. Thats a formula for economic failure.

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19799494)

It's the cheap ass AMERICAN CONSUMER that dictates a low wage not business.

American consumers don't care manufacturing jobs moved to China or they would insist on buying "made in America" labeled goods at slightly higher prices. They don't.

If there is a demand for something American business would fill it. If a fast food owner opened a location guaranteeing $15 an hour and great benefits per entry level worker he would be out of business in 6 months.

The same people whining here about low wages would be to cheap to pay the higher food prices and shop at the cheaper restaurants. American consumers are all about price and not about pride in quality. Why do you think the largest retailer in the country is fucking walmart. American consumers don't care their clothes are made in sweat shops. American consumers don't care their Christmas ornaments are made by 10 year old children locked in dirt floored rooms. They sure as shit don't care about the person flipping a burger.


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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19799909)

These issues are about what we expect of people. What society expects of people. What standards a society has. What standards a society wants to hold its people to.... and what we expect of each and every person. The "American Dream" was never "get a low paying job and then demand more from society".

The message "hey no-skilled assholes who have no value in the workplace because you have no skills, experience or education - you deserve more". is not a great message. I will pay for it directly with higher costs. I will pay for it indirectly as we continue to create a society that - instead of demanding the best effort from everyone and that expects everyone to strive for greatness is slowly being replaced with self entitled idiots who know absolutely nothing about how the world works and believe they need to be rewarded for non-achievement.

The message should be "you need to keep moving up. You need to keep working harder. Keep improving your skills. You need to keep improving your education and INCREASE YOUR VALUE in the workplace. Not simply demand more for a job you shouldn't be doing for more than a year anyway... because its not a career, nor was it ever meant to be"

I am not uber wealthy. I don't try to be. I try to enjoy my life. I don't think I am better than anyone because of my bank account. I think I am better than those who don't try.. because I and those I choose to surround myself with, do.