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Magnetron 09-16-2013 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19801866)
I've employed 100's of entry level workers in my life. The majority weren't worth minimum wage.

You have the old world apprentice system where some gave their time to learn a trade. You have college where you give money to learn a trade.

You also have minimum wage workers that show up ignorant of skills, not taking the job seriously, looking for something easier to do after the first hour, etc, etc. It's the rare instance you find one that is worth a shit. That person can eventually be elevated to a better position and more money. 95% can't.

In fact the constant turn over and training costs, having to OVERSTAFF because of no shows, late arrivals and those with a grandmother dying every week and needing time off raise your overhead for that category of labor far, far above their starting wages.

Anyone disagreeing has never had entry level workers and is just dreaming about the perfect world that is just around the corner if only the government would just …..


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Thank you for the reply.

From my experience, the lower the wage offered, the less reliable the applicant is that you attract.

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19801920)
Go into a busy fast food location during a meal rush. They are generally overstaffed in case 2-3 decided to take the day off. Some are grab-assing, trying to look cool, flirting with coworkers, etc. How much do those nit-wits cost the others that are working hard?

I gave my entry level workers health care after 60 days. A handful qualified every year because of the turnover rate. I'll never forget one guy we gave a hefty raise to, even paid for his families health care. He quit for a half dollar more somewhere else with no benefits and no overtime because "it paid more per hour". Idiot took home less per week and had no health benefits. Didn't give even a days notice or want to discuss his offer. Just quit. This is the mentality employers deal with.

One way to award good workers was guaranteed overtime. But facts are facts, few taking entry positions want, are capable of or even half try to better themselves. They just muddle along and quit, get fired, get caught stealing, fake injuries and rinse/repeat with another employer down the street.

A minimum wage worker that takes his job seriously, works hard, learns, wants to improve himself and his company is what every employer dreams about. When an employer finds one believe me he makes an effort to keep him. The rest, just more shoes to eventually refill.

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Again, from my experience, minimum wage outfits like Wal-Mart / Sam's club are purposefully staffed at the bare minimum necessary and the employees are left to pick up the slack when others break, lunch or don't show at all. Some are expected to cover multiple departments in normal situations.

Ever try to get new tires at one of these places? Imagine one person in the auto shop changing tires while covering the phone and writing up work orders at the service desk that is located on the other side of the observation window, all the while having no one in the back of the store where the tires are located to field customer sales questions. Now add to that, being told you can't work the overtime necessary to service all the customers waiting in line as the store is 1 hour from closing for the night. The start pay for a tire/battery installer in 1991 was $7 hourly.

Needless to say, it wasn't long before I jumped ship at the opportunity to work my ass off for someone else offering a higher wage for an appropriate amount of work expected of one individual that incidentally was not a skilled labor position.

L-Pink 09-16-2013 03:56 PM

I'm no genius, barley graduated from high school, but I showed up for work, early. Worked hard, took an interest in doing better, learned the business. Was trustworthy, did my drugs at home, never showed up drunk. Went from grunt to sales, to asst mgr, to mgr of shit locations, to mrg of the biggest and busiest locations, to regional manager, to store owner, to multiple store owner. Was such a good store owner was elected president of franchise steering committee for over 200 locations. Made a shit load when company was sold.

So yea, I know about grunts working for minimum wage. My starting pay was irrelevant because I sure as hell wasn't going to be at that level for long. For those that can't move up for one reason or another that are still excellent employees of course they should make more. Most will. But the ones that don't want to work hard and contribute? Doesn't matter what you pay them they won't be worth it.


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Magnetron 09-16-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19801997)
I'm no genius, barley graduated from high school, but I showed up for work, early. Worked hard, took an interest in doing better, learned the business. Was trustworthy, did my drugs at home, never showed up drunk. Went from grunt to sales, to asst mgr, to mgr of shit locations, to mrg of the biggest and busiest locations, to regional manager, to store owner, to multiple store owner. Was such a good store owner was elected president of franchise steering committee for over 200 locations. Made a shit load when company was sold.

So yea, I know about grunts working for minimum wage. My starting pay was irrelevant because I sure as hell wasn't going to be at that level for long. For those that can't move up for one reason or another that are still excellent employees of course they should make more. Most will. But the ones that don't want to work hard and contribute? Doesn't matter what you pay them they won't be worth it.
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I've always gone from unskilled position to unskillled position, from pumping gas for $3.35 when I was 16 to $20 being a Jack Of All Trades with great benefits, bonuses and retirement accounts. The laziest motherfuckers who worked while they were drunk and were earning more than me were always friends and family of the bosses that never got disciplined.

Magnetron 09-16-2013 05:27 PM

$8 hourly to flip burgers while some ahole who could have been our president gets paid how much to play video poker? In 2013? LOL Life is too unfair and too short to work for some cheapskate cunts lavishing greedy cunts with millions in bonuses.

clickhappy 09-16-2013 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19800358)
It is not like its a secret. People with money are leaving.

Yeah the rich are leaving in droves, thats why home prices are exploding OVER the million dollar mark
http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-...-value/r_4281/

http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-...value/r_26374/

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It is kind of cute however that you simply looked out your window to gauge the health of the economy, housing market, job market and to determine exactly how many people were leaving and staying... and how many wealthy people were leaving and taking their money with them.
uh huh http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-...value/r_47583/

Uh, I know from LIVING here, with the jammed pack traffic for hours and hours a day, rents and home prices are through the roof, restaurants are a 90 minute wait, you can't get a studio in my area for $1,300/month or a home under $700k, and that's a shit hole home, Gas and food prices are very high, and people pay it to live here.

I dont know what survey you're looking at, but where I live its jammed-fucking-packed, and expensive as hell because there's lots of people and money here to support it.

L-Pink 09-16-2013 08:19 PM

* Even McDonald's means opportunity if you work hard.

"Many hourly employees have advanced to become restaurant managers, Owner/Operators, regional or division staff members and corporate employees. In fact, 70 percent of restaurant managers, 33 percent of Owner/Operators and 50 percent of McDonald's corporate employees started as crew."

* A job is what you make it and advancement is up to the individual who doesn't feel the world owes him a living.

"McDonalds trained one out of every 12 working Americans. McDonald's work experience teaches skills and values that last a lifetime. Employees gain skills that are required in many professional positions, including teamwork, customer service and leadership. As employees excel at McDonald's restaurants, they learn how to supervise others, communicate effectively and manage finances."

* Sure you start at a minimum wage but you are also PAID to have a chance to learn and advance. College students pay to learn job skills and then start looking for a job saddled in debt for a decade or longer.

* Flipping burgers is an ENTRY LEVEL JOB that gives a hard worker a chance. It's NOT a career.


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tony286 09-17-2013 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19802238)
* Even McDonald's means opportunity if you work hard.

"Many hourly employees have advanced to become restaurant managers, Owner/Operators, regional or division staff members and corporate employees. In fact, 70 percent of restaurant managers, 33 percent of Owner/Operators and 50 percent of McDonald's corporate employees started as crew."

* A job is what you make it and advancement is up to the individual who doesn't feel the world owes him a living.

"McDonalds trained one out of every 12 working Americans. McDonald's work experience teaches skills and values that last a lifetime. Employees gain skills that are required in many professional positions, including teamwork, customer service and leadership. As employees excel at McDonald's restaurants, they learn how to supervise others, communicate effectively and manage finances."

* Sure you start at a minimum wage but you are also PAID to have a chance to learn and advance. College students pay to learn job skills and then start looking for a job saddled in debt for a decade or longer.

* Flipping burgers is an ENTRY LEVEL JOB that gives a hard worker a chance. It's NOT a career.


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A friend of mine is getting his degree. He finds the grocery business interesting and he is a bold type of guy. He goes and speaks to his local kroger GM. The GM gives him the name and number of the guy who recruits potential managers. He tells him now since you dont have experience, he may try to get you be a cashier. He said dont do that because you will be forgotten. No start there and you can work your way up. lol
This country thrived with a strong hard working middle. They dont want to be super stars or kings of the world. They want to do an honest days work for a honest days pay and go home to their family. Everyone cant be a star somebody has to be in the chorus.
and this is not an entitlement culture. You actually had more entitlements back in the day ,much cheaper college and if you got a degree pretty much the guarantee of a career. If you didnt have a degree, you could get a job that made you a living that you could take care of your family,you got a pension when you retired and if you didnt steal you had a job for life. Now they feed you the bullshit because someone has a iphone and wants a living wage(if you know your history min wage was once a living wage) The entitlement word is thrown around which is such bullshit, we actually live in a time with the least entitlement. lol

arock10 09-17-2013 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19802238)
* Even McDonald's means opportunity if you work hard.

"Many hourly employees have advanced to become restaurant managers, Owner/Operators, regional or division staff members and corporate employees. In fact, 70 percent of restaurant managers, 33 percent of Owner/Operators and 50 percent of McDonald's corporate employees started as crew."

* A job is what you make it and advancement is up to the individual who doesn't feel the world owes him a living.

"McDonalds trained one out of every 12 working Americans. McDonald's work experience teaches skills and values that last a lifetime. Employees gain skills that are required in many professional positions, including teamwork, customer service and leadership. As employees excel at McDonald's restaurants, they learn how to supervise others, communicate effectively and manage finances."

* Sure you start at a minimum wage but you are also PAID to have a chance to learn and advance. College students pay to learn job skills and then start looking for a job saddled in debt for a decade or longer.

* Flipping burgers is an ENTRY LEVEL JOB that gives a hard worker a chance. It's NOT a career.


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Average mcdonalds manager makes just over $40k. Work your way up to barely anything

Barefootsies 09-17-2013 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19802524)
Now they feed you the bullshit because someone has a iphone and wants a living wage(if you know your history min wage was once a living wage) The entitlement word is thrown around which is such bullshit, we actually live in a time with the least entitlement. lol

Incorrect.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4126233n

Ask anyone who is a business owner or who has to hire people this day and age about the quality of labor and their work ethic of the candidates available on the market. You will find that the article above more a less sums up the general experience of what's going on today.

:disgust

Magnetron 09-17-2013 07:47 AM

Here in the Midwest in the New Millenium, where the cost of living is more down to earth and the locals have at least one foot grounded in reality .......

We have these new fangled things called Employee Owned Businesses, where even cashiers start at $12 hourly in chain grocery stores that have lower prices for higher quality foods and 50X the selection of both the Super Wal-Mart and your local Mom & Pop market combined. If you wanted to make this a career, you get stock in the company after 3 years.

What's the deal here, you may ask? How is that even possible, you incoherently mumble?

Well, you remove from the equation the hack who wants to slash labor and benefits so he can impress the shareholders and net himself a 4th property with an inground pool, hot tub, top shelf liquor and hookers.

A $8 minimum wage will get you about 2.25 gals of gasoline for an honest hour's labor. The federal minimum wage of $3.35 would get you 3.75 gals 25 years ago, when you could actually find used cars for a few hundred dollars that got better gas mileage than most new models produced since.

Now that job seekers can go onto the Internets to research nationwide past and present realities, any employer who FAILS to make adjustments for the rising costs of living is less likely to attract any dedicated workers willing to better themselves. You are more likely to attract disabled veterans, potheads, children and senior citizens wishing to complement their social security.

If it bothers you that people want to be paid an appropriate wage for an appropriate amount of labor in order to afford an appropriate amount of necessities in the appropriate location, I suggest you go back to Gilligan's Island for another 25 years and have a fourway with Mary Ann, Ginger and a coconut.

Barefootsies 09-17-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 19802741)
If it bothers you that people want to be paid an appropriate wage for an appropriate amount of labor in order to afford an appropriate amount of necessities in the appropriate location, I suggest you go back to Gilligan's Island for another 25 years and have a fourway with Mary Ann, Ginger and a coconut.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19802896&postcount=14

:thumbsup

_Richard_ 09-17-2013 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19802537)
Incorrect.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4126233n

Ask anyone who is a business owner or who has to hire people this day and age about the quality of labor and their work ethic of the candidates available on the market. You will find that the article above more a less sums up the general experience of what's going on today.

:disgust

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Magnetron 09-17-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19802900)

Wow.

You are really out of touch with reality and this topic if you think I give a shit about some failed protest movement.

Feel free to keep on chumming the waters, Mate!

:)

Now here is some interesting reading material for you.

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California Minimum Wage Increase To $10 An Hour Passes Both Houses, Gov. Brown Expected To Sign

Gov. Jerry Brown and the leaders of the California state Legislature announced strong support Wednesday for a bill that would raise the state's minimum wage to $10 an hour.

?The minimum wage has not kept pace with rising costs,? Brown said in a statement. ?This legislation is overdue and will help families that are struggling in this harsh economy.?

Assemblyman Luis Alejo's (D-Salinas) bill, AB 10, would raise the minimum wage in California from $8.00 an hour to $10.00 an hour. The bill passed the state Assembly in May and is expected to be voted on in the Senate this week.

UPDATE: The state Senate approved the minimum wage increase on Thursday. It is expected to win final approval from the Assembly later Thursday or Friday, before it goes to the governor. Brown has said he will sign the bill into law.
Alejo introduced similar bills in 2011 and 2012 that both died because of opposition by Republican members and business lobbyists, who called the proposal a "job killer."

Alejo's chief of staff, Marva Diaz, told The Huffington Post that this bill is stronger because the two leaders of the Legislature have been added as co-authors: Senate President Pro Tempore Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) and Assembly Speaker John A. Pérez (D-Los Angeles).

Perez disputed the claim that raising the minimum wage would reduce jobs. ?The real winner here is the economy. A $10 hour minimum wage boosts earnings by $4,000 a year and will put $2.6 billion dollars back into the hands of workers,? Pérez said in a statement. ?This is money that will be spent at grocery stores, on school supplies and invested in education, and that ultimately strengthens the recovery and ensures California?s job market continues growing faster than the rest of the nation.?

California's minimum wage is among the highest in the country, although it hasn't been raised since 2008. AB 10 would raise the minimum wage in two separate one-dollar increments: from $8 per hour today to $9 per hour, effective July 1, 2014, and from $9 per hour to $10 per hour, effective Jan. 1, 2016.
Nuff said. :winkwink:

Grapesoda 06-02-2014 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19798264)
Well, since California is the model of fiscal understanding and responsibility, it only makes sense. I mean its not like they are perpetually bankrupt, have high taxes, high cost of living and are driving people and entire industries out of the state in droves.

but on the upside cally does run money making industries out of the state :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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