i liked that scene a lot! :1orglaugh

i really did, tons of symbolism and the song too was a well played, there's been several barrel rolling scenes throughout the show too.

good points, but since the show is coming to an end, getting the most amount of people to watch is the key to getting people to rent the season on Netflix or buy the series at Best Buy :2 cents:

1) Hank has always been a bit of a spaz, but at other times when under pressure, he's cool as a cucumber. because he was a nut trying to prove Walt was Heisenberg, he was going a bit nuts, but at that moment before he died, his character showed his true self and a straight edge law enforcement agent, not a candy ass who's going to beg for his life.

2) Flynn was yanked around the entire series, he was always pushed aside and made to feel inferior to his parents and others. This time, he stood up as the "man of the house" to his father who lied to him this whole time.

3) Skyler assumed she had no where to go, so she went along with Marie's plan to safe herself and family. If she knew Walt wasn't in custody, she would have told her to fuck off. This is the first time Marie, the annoying knat at the party, now has a voice

4) Walt just realized shit just got real! :1orglaugh

5) The Aryans do have respect for Walt and understand that evil sides with evil. Leaving Walt with nothing would make them realize there is a chance they could all die, but giving Walt some and agreeing that they are "cool" sets their security that they can go on with their lives.

6) Probably a good few months have past in time, but like Brono67 said, babies do eventually talk

too funny.

Me too.

The series started with the RV breaking down and Walk walking through the desert and it is ending with Walt's car breaking down and him walking through the desert.

To me Hank has been both. He panics at some times and at others he is cool under fire. In this case I think he was a man who realized it was over. He was going to die and there was no way out of it. He had accepted his fate.

Flynn recently called Walt on his bullshit when he was lying about the gas in the house. Also, when the shit hits the fan in domestic situation many boys will side with and protect their mothers so to me this wasn't too out of character.

I have always felt like she has wanted to cave for a long time. She is in so deep and sees no real way out of this and I think the only reason she has gone forward is a fear of Walt and what he might do. She, like Hank, realized that the gig is up and it is time to surrender.

He has been on tilt for a while and was feeling hopeless. I think he had a sudden realization of what everything he has done really means and he really didn't want to see Hank killed.

They want to try to keep Hank at least somewhat happy. They might need him in the future to cook for them.


We are witnessing the collapse of an empire here and along with it the destruction of a family. People act strangely when that happens so if the characters do something that might be a little out of character for them I can see how that can happen.

holes :2 cents:

The first episode ended in the same place and Walt without his pants... Watch the barrel scene again and you'll see him roll right past them on the ground. They are symbolically making the point that he is right back where he started... though I think they are also suggesting that last time around he didn't even have pants and this time he is starting with 11M dollars.

Don't count Walt out....

I still think he 'wins' in the end ;)

Whats up with the starting scene from way back?

What show have you been watching? It doesn't sound like breaking bad but all the characters have the same names and relationships.

1) As has been mentioned, Hank has always been gung ho

2) Flynn was just told some pretty serious things about his father, that would flip his life upside down, you don't think he would act out of character after that?

3) Skyler has wanted to tell her story to everyone, she hasn't because of her fear of walt and the money side of things. Once things fell to pieces and her sister told her walt was arrested after she couldn't contact him.....

4) It has always been about the money for Walt and for him to lose it all - you cannot see how he would not think it through properly? It isn't the first time greed has overcome walt. Walt is a control freak, he thinks he is in control, hence him attempting to negotiate with the money for his brother inlaw.

5) They are calculated and see that walt is of use to them to make them more money.

6)An 18 month old girl muttering mamma poorly is hardly talking :2 cents: Have you actually been around an 18 month old child ever?

That is where they cooked the first batch of meth in the camper and that is where he buried the money...same spot.

'Walt' died in the episode where he was laughing in the crawl space and became 'Heisenberg.' I think 'Heisenberg' died last night when they slow panned his face as Hank got killed. Now what is left is much much worse. He isn't being smart or calculating, isn't being compassionate or merciful. Now it's primal - vengeance, destruction, spite, hate.

When 'Ozymandias' is done seeking vengence there will be nothing left of his enemies... and at this point that's pretty much everyone.

thoughts on the heisenberg telephone speech to skyler?

Bleh. It's falling apart. Top 3 stupid things from last night:

Skylar takes Marie's word instantly that Walt is in custody, despite, y'know, this being a person she has gone to great lengths to blackmail in a really sneaky way. But no, let's just immediately believe her for no reason. Fuck Marie could have pulled this 4 episodes ago and the series would have been over. Didn't even so much as ask to check for a wire, for ANY kind of proof, to speak to someone on the phone etc etc. Walt hasn't discussed with her any ways Hank would try and trap them? BAD WRITING.

Walt can't get his family into the car and doesn't really try except in the sure-to-backfire way. Even though it would be INSANELY EASY to say "A murderous nazi meth gang killed everyone and is after us, they know where we live, RUN" Turn fear to advantage when it's obvious it looks like you've just been digging your own grave.

Walt Jr, witnesses his mother's unprovoked attack on his father who is only showing signs of concern for them and INSTANTLY flips and lies to the police in a very calculated way.. not "help my parents are stabbing each other with a knife" or ANY other variation on this theme that is just as bad and would get the police just as quickly. His mom who he just been angry at all afternoon for a reason that could have been totally avoided with a single brain cell on Skylar's behalf just attacked his cancer-dad. And HOW does it even get to that point? "Hey Skylar, YOU killed Hank, you expressly told me to take care of Jesse even though I didn't want to, after I called a hit squad on him like you wanted me to, Hank turned up with him and they killed everyone and stole most of our money even though I BEGGED for his life" "PS now they're after us get in the car" "PS Walt Jr, your mom told me to murder someone and now she's attacking me with a knife and it's not to cut out my cancer".

Most of the episode just felt like the writers moving the chess pieces around in an obvious way. If the characters needed to do this they should have added another episode and stuffed in whatever exposition and story required to get them there in a semi-believable way. It's one of my all time favorite shows and it's falling apart right when it should be peaking. If Skylar is going to blab her guts out, at least give her the intelligence and steely reserve initially that she has shown lately, ask her to check for bugs.. *have Hank send Marie a pic of Walt in handcuffs from the cellphone he just used that she then shows Skylar* fuck that would have easily and instantly made it believable. Instead it's fucking WEAK. Have Walt Jr call the cops without taking sides, or, if he needs to side with his mother, give him more time and a better excuse. This "everything is crazy so everyone is stupid and everything can happen" excuse is lame.

Also stupid was telling the Nazi's about the money, there is no way in that situation a group of murderous thugs don't just take it. It's basically just a writer's device to show Walk isn't Heisenberg anymore.. Even though, y'know.. Hank punched him, Walt threatened him and both Hank and the Nazis are clear and present threats to his family. I think Walt telling Jesse about his girlfriend was a bit superfluous but I can see why he might have. Of course he should have killed Jesse about 3 seasons ago because he has been nothing but a liability. It's a really silly blind spot given the danger he posed and created for his family.

damn, where were y'all last week? i could have used some backup on my critque!!

Awesome show! By the looks of that Walt will die.

http://www.zuzanadesigns.com/BreakingBad/01.jpg

Either you're the lone genius in TV watching world, or you're just really wrong.

you've got mad photochopin skillz! :thumbsup :1orglaugh


that's crazy!!!

Something for the Mike fans...

can someone else start next week's breaking bad thread ........so the tags, well, the tags are juicy-fied.

Just as the Heisenberg identity was never able to fully eradicate 'Walt' and he still occasionally reverted to doing things Walt would have done, that call is an example of 'Walt' and 'Heisenberg' bubbling up to the surface. Walt trying to give Skyler an 'out' by accepting all blame, Heisenberg trying to outsmart everyone listening in... and Ozymandias tells Skyler what he really thinks of her. I see Walt/Heisenberg/Ozy almost like a multi-personality disorder brought on by extreme stress and chemotherapy.

I also love the fact that the writers were able to essentially lift text right off of forums where people posted hateful rants about Skyler and put those views into Walt's mouth. It was the best and most subtle way to condemn the audience troll viewpoint that wives should all just shut up and follow along.

I do think the episode would have been stronger if Walt Jr. was accidentally seriously hurt during the knife fight. Not killed necessarily, maybe blinded by his parents' blade. That would have brought home a lot of the 'family' themes his character is based on. :2 cents:

Good points. I don't know if it's been addressed in public talk about the show that these "Skylar haters" are misogynistic at best.

That's the thing... Vince Gilligan and the writers never discussed any of it online or other media (that I know of), instead they rolled it all up and let Walt say it to her as part of the episode in a way that embeds those comments and shows them for what they really are... it was Brilliant.

yet not one fucking tweeker :2 cents: opposite of the real deal

anybody else think there is some stephen king horror thing happening with the family and the house?

hah, i was wondering about that for this last season, especially during the star trek scene a few episodes ago, it would have been much better if they were tweaking out fo their gourds when dude went off on the screenplay idea but they just had them stoned.

i figured it was to start to paint jesse in a better light but they've since had him back on the meth.

I'm just going to have to go ahead and assume lone genius unless you want to point out any specific issues with what I've said, although really I imagine it will amount to nothing more than special pleading. This is a guy that can think 3 moves ahead to set up Rube-Goldberg machines with steps that include poisoning children. I'll accept some occasional dumb stuff. Sure ok, take Jesse's word that he's burning your money, I can see that, there is a photo.. I'll gulp down the screaming thoughts in the back of my head yelling at Walt to confirm with Jesse where he found the cash, to shut up on the phone with the over-confession.. to y'know.. actually look for rising smoke at the site.. to not actually frigging stop at the site of the money... To have buried all his eggs in one basket.. To not put it together that Jesse couldn't do this by himself.. How would Jesse know he used a van?????.. That Huell is missing.. I'll forgive that because they actually worked at creating something semi-believable in the photo and the potential van tracking.. and keeping the pressure on with potential money burning so maybe, maybe he doesn't stop for 3 seconds to think about it.. It's just enough to suspend disbelief.

What I won't countenance is continued incompetence without similar rational justification. Why in fuck tell them he's got $80M buried there? Why couldn't he just say he'll give them $40M if they let Hank live? No further info necessary... Has far, far less risk both to his money (which is shown he cares the most about) his own life as $80M and a pack of murderous thugs pretty much removes the need for you to be alive and retains some level of authority and upper hand... then add in the inability to talk down his family when all he does is manipulate.. add in Skylar's instant capitulation with no evidence and instant complete trust in the person who tried to steal her baby, Walt Jr's instant flip on his dad after seeing the exact opposite of what he said.. The only semi-logical thing all episode was the call home to absolve Skylar... (The person who ordered Jesse dead one minute but instantly attacks the person who followed her advice to protect the family.. an attack that might not have happened if Walt pointed this out.. but once again it's all forced to get the pieces going in a certain direction).

I still enjoyed the episode, but mainly because of all the seasons leading up to it allowed me to try and excuse some final missteps.. (Like Hank lasting more than two seconds in a wall of lead with not much more than a scratch, fuck just end the episode on the first trigger being pulled and have a quarter of the amount of shooting when you come back the next week.. or have them only using .22's or something lol.). However if all the other episodes in all the other seasons were written like this with people making stupid illogical decisions multiple times each episode it wouldn't be one of my favorite shows. If I wanted people doing dumb illogical stuff I'll yell at the suspect confessing at the end of each episode of Law and Order.

I agree with you completely. I am shocked that such a previously well-written character-driven show has gone off the rails to suckage so hard.

Hank talked big in the office, but spent that whole Mexico scenario twitching in panic. I don't recall all the details of the shootout with Tuco etc., but I kind of think the other people were already injured and not as well-armed.

I find it highly unlikely that one conversation would completely change how Flynn approached everything in his life.

I agree with you on this, but Skyler has always been on the defensive against Marie's BS. There is no way that character would totally cave in on Marie's say-so, with no proof of her BS story.

Unless the whole point is that folks who sell digital representations of sexuality think product set is the thing which decides genius (and only product sets beloved by all are okay), then, no, I think Walt has done pretty much exclusively very smart things.
His cut of what?

Taking a character which has been basically a prop until now and having her speak damning words is just cheap writing.

I'm just curious. For those who are tearing this episode apart, what else do you watch? If you consider this episode crap, can you even turn on your TV without your head exploding?

:2 cents::2 cents: I agree

y'all didnt nitpick the obvious big plot hole

nazis get $70 mil so the next thing they do is start cooking again.

and the super biggie: that picture of andrea and brock pinkman looks at in the nazi meth kitchen.


either way, every episode can be dissected and picked apart. i had to stop myself from donig that when i first started watching a few years ago.

I usually like the show OP on mouseover, but did it yesterday not realising I'd see 'hank and gomez dead' as soon as I did lol :D

I liked the parts where walt lost it mentally and told jesse he watched anna die, then called skylar a dumb bitch on the phone :)

A. I don't really turn on my TV unless I have acquired something specifically to watch and B. It's the context. I wouldn't be tearing it apart if it didn't stand in stark relief with the rest of the series. It's coming to expect a high bar which then isn't met. Like going to your favorite resturant expecting confit duck in a sticky cherry sauce with a smear of parsnip and thyme puree and side of duck baklava and being served up a lukewarm grilled sandwich. If all they ever did was serve grilled sandwiches I wouldn't complain that much, I probably wouldn't ever go there in the first place, but I wouldn't be expecting much more if I did. BB is/was easily a top 5 TV show of all time, up with the usual suspects like The Wire , Sopranos, Mad Men etc etc. But these last episodes are threatening that status with shitty writing. Currently I'm watching Boardwalk Empire and BB, Treme will start soon and that should continue to be decent. In a lower tier of shows that I keep up with but don't rate highly - Dexter, Trueblood, Walking Dead and Homeland. However with those shows I know I'm just getting a grilled sandwich.. and with Trueblood it's basically a hollow brain dead sandwich. I don't expect that much from them so I'm not disappointed. Walking Dead in particular is cursed with the kind of bad writing I'm talking about. Characters that do one thing one episode and do a complete irrational U turn the next.. Where zombies teleport right behind people, where a bad guy can chase someone and magically find them like they are a homing needle in a haystack, where one guy can kill 30 zombies but another guy can't fight off 1, where people randomly decide not to kill people they really, really should. It took them 2 entire seasons of fighting zombies with guns that drew in more zombies before they realised maybe, just maybe silencers were a good idea. I literally thanked the TV screen the first scene they used one and said a silent thank you to the writer for having half a brain. I probably would have given up after season two if the writing didn't IMMEDIATELY get better in season 3 after some writers were laid off and new smarter people came on. It's still pretty lame but watchable.
Anyways because BB has proven to be so epically great in the past, when it is just average with the kind of writing you expect in far shittier shows it REALLY STANDS OUT.. like a turd in caviar. Having your suspension of disbelief splattered all over the floor from bad writing really does ruin it.. I don't want to be thinking about the writers.. I want to be engrossed in the characters, which means they have to behave in vaguely realistic ways. You'll notice I never said the characters SHOULDN'T be on the arcs they're on, just that they needed better writing and/or more time to make these actions believable and not seemingly entirely arbitrary. I'm more like a tiger mom than a hater. I only want the best out of the show and don't feel I need to uncritically praise it no matter what just because it's generally better than whatever other stupid shit is on TV.

You know it. Condemning a fictional entertainment show for not being realistic - wtf, take a fucking break lol :1orglaugh

Ok, but is that symbolic fact so significant that scene from way back was needed?

Why wouldn't they cook? They have contracts with buyers and all. Criminals rarely retire, especially gangs as a whole. Even after big score.

I thought that picture was to remind Jesse that they might get hurt if he won't cooperate cooking meth.

Maybe it's too early, but I'm not following you on this one. What is the plot hole with this?

You should stop giving opinions on this show. They're pretty uninformed, and you don't even seem like you pay attention to what's going on, or have picked up any idea of what each character is about.

Maybe try Survivor or something.

$70 million dollars in cash and it's get back to work cooking shitty meth time? for a bunch of knucklehead nazis. not really. look to any mob movie/heist/caper film for what the bad guys do when they get a shitton of cash money dropped in their laps.


how did the nazis get the photo and how did they know it's a trigger point for pinkman?

eh.



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