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Shap 09-17-2013 07:03 AM
If we are going to dissect the episode the biggest gap imo is how jesse hid under the car. Isn't that the first place you'd look?

dyna mo 09-17-2013 07:08 AM
crap, we're going to rip the show to shreds as it comes to an end!

dyna mo 09-17-2013 07:11 AM
do peeps really think this 1 episode was the worst episode of all?

did y'all get miffed when skyler sang happy birfday mr president?

i mean come on!- this scene epitomizes the entire episode! it's rancid man.

bronco67 09-17-2013 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19802695)
crap, we're going to rip the show to shreds as it comes to an end!
There's going to be a bunch of people tearing apart the ending, thinking they're smarter than Vince Gilligan. Already most of the harsher criticisms are usually because of a complete mis-comprehension of where characters have been, and where their arcs are taking them.

I'll be good with whatever he does and accept it for what it is. I did that for Lost, The Shield, The Sopranos, whatever.

Jel 09-17-2013 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19802685)
$70 million dollars in cash and it's get back to work cooking shitty meth time? for a bunch of knucklehead nazis. not really. look to any mob movie/heist/caper film for what the bad guys do when they get a shitton of cash money dropped in their laps.




how did the nazis get the photo and how did they know it's a trigger point for pinkman?

eh.



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didn't they already say that meth was worth $150m a year? If my memory doesn't suck on that one, $70m is not that much compared to say, another 10 years, even if it stays at $150m a year. I get what your saying about other heist/caper movies etc etc, but those aren't ongoing earnings they can acquire. As for mob movies - the mob never stop once they have 'enough' cash :)

photo - yep, though can be 'explained away' with the 'history' Todd spoke of between him and Jesse. They cooked together etc, and though it is obviously a plot hole afaik, not unfeasable Jesse woulda let slip about those 2 people - not exactly reknowned for his ability to stfu :)

Jel 09-17-2013 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19802701)
do peeps really think this 1 episode was the worst episode of all?

did y'all get miffed when skyler sang happy birfday mr president?

i mean come on!- this scene epitomizes the entire episode! it's rancid man.
haha, I literally cringe and have to look away making the lalalalalala sound whenever that song is sung by anyone, anytime :thumbsup

dyna mo 09-17-2013 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19802704)
There's going to be a bunch of people who think they're smarter than Vince Gilligan tearing apart the ending. I'll be good with whatever he does and accept it for what it is. I did that for Lost, The Shield, The Sopranos, whatever.
i wonder if that's just a part of a show concluding? i think it's realistic to say that many of us are attached in some way(s) to the show, if not just as something to do on a sunday evening maybe even a bit more. so it's not oout of the question to grapple with that on some level........

i know when i was re-watching the previous seasons gearing up for this final 8, i decided then just to not expect anything, however they want it to go out, coolio.

but i do think it's fun and ok to critque the show, and at a high level for tele. the show set the bar, not us, so it's fair game imo. and a fair critique is balanced.

and speaking of fair, it doesn't seem to me that this last episode is any worse or better than any of the, what, 50-ish episodes prior. each and every one of them has a writing or dialogue issue imo.

dyna mo 09-17-2013 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 19802708)
didn't they already say that meth was worth $150m a year? If my memory doesn't suck on that one, $70m is not that much compared to say, another 10 years, even if it stays at $150m a year. I get what your saying about other heist/caper movies etc etc, but those aren't ongoing earnings they can acquire. As for mob movies - the mob never stop once they have 'enough' cash :)

photo - yep, though can be 'explained away' with the 'history' Todd spoke of between him and Jesse. They cooked together etc, and though it is obviously a plot hole afaik, not unfeasable Jesse woulda let slip about those 2 people - not exactly reknowned for his ability to stfu :)
very well could be so. maybe uncle jack has bigger $$$ goals. thinking about that picture, did it come from when ww called the hit on pinkman? the nazis were in that car outside andrea's if i recall now,,,,,,,,,,,they prolly had the picture then...

derp! gotta talk this show out sometimes!! a lot of times really.

bronco67 09-17-2013 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19802715)
i wonder if that's just a part of a show concluding? i think it's realistic to say that many of us are attached in some way(s) to the show, if not just as something to do on a sunday evening maybe even a bit more. so it's not oout of the question to grapple with that on some level........

i know when i was re-watching the previous seasons gearing up for this final 8, i decided then just to not expect anything, however they want it to go out, coolio.

but i do think it's fun and ok to critque the show, and at a high level for tele. the show set the bar, not us, so it's fair game imo. and a fair critique is balanced.

and speaking of fair, it doesn't seem to me that this last episode is any worse or better than any of the, what, 50-ish episodes prior. each and every one of them has a writing or dialogue issue imo.
I think its pretty hard to be super-critical of this show. They seem to do their homework, and I can't think of too many missteps that have made me wish they had done something different. It's almost the perfect TV show, after The Wire.

dyna mo 09-17-2013 07:29 AM
one thing about this latest episode though, if it does fall flat for some, it's not because the writers were trying to be clever. as a previous poster commented, the arc of character dev is believable, the events were inevitable. the show rang true.

scuba steve 09-17-2013 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19802729)
one thing about this latest episode though, if it does fall flat for some, it's not because the writers were trying to be clever. as a previous poster commented, the arc of character dev is believable, the events were inevitable. the show rang true.
random but do you think the nazi group is going to carry on the meth production? like this is the fall of an empire, and a new one picking up the void? walt moves on with his life, jessie gets wacked, skyler killed by marie, and the whole heisenberg time period is concluded, and now a new group is in town. it's not as good as the old stuff, but time moves on

dyna mo 09-17-2013 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 19802739)
random but do you think the nazi group is going to carry on the meth production? like this is the fall of an empire, and a new one picking up the void? walt moves on with his life, jessie gets wacked, skyler killed by marie, and the whole heisenberg time period is concluded, and now a new group is in town. it's not as good as the old stuff, but time moves on
up till a few minuites ago i was figuring them for the sort of crew that would go on a crazy ass $70 million spending spree but it seems like they are carrying on the cook.

i guess if uncle jack can give awy $11m with a wave of the hand, they have bigger $$$ goals.

boziffous 09-17-2013 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19802719)
thinking about that picture, did it come from when ww called the hit on pinkman? the nazis were in that car outside andrea's if i recall now,,,,,,,,,,,they prolly had the picture then...

derp! gotta talk this show out sometimes!! a lot of times really.
Yeah, I was wondering why that wouldn't make sense to you. You had me thinking I was missing something from that scene.

Choopa_Pardo 09-17-2013 08:04 AM
You all seem a little quick to judge. Watch the two final episodes and then cast your votes.

dyna mo 09-17-2013 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by boziffous (Post 19802757)
Yeah, I was wondering why that wouldn't make sense to you. You had me thinking I was missing something from that scene.
the show often assumes things that happen off screen. along those lines, i was a bit surprised that they chose to tell walt jr offscreen about his dad.

combined with the intentional ambiguity of the entire show, from moral ambiguity to characters acting out of character by breaking bad or bad luck, etc. not to mention ambigous ending like the lily of the valley ending.

part of the fun of this show for me is playing around with that and attempting to sort it out, there's a lot left out, a lot of flashbacks and a lot of portending, imo, all intentional and impossible to guess the outcome.

take ww's handling of holly in this last episode, are we to feel sympathetic for walt since he was so caring for the baby he just kidnapped? ambigous is fun tele.

scuba steve 09-17-2013 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19802771)
take ww's handling of holly in this last episode, are we to feel sympathetic for walt since he was so caring for the baby he just kidnapped? ambigous is fun tele.
think he just had a change of heart, kind of the jekyll and hyde syndrome he's had recently. being a good person vs the ego centric power hungry control freak

Sarah_Jayne 09-17-2013 08:28 AM
You have to love a show where those that think the quality has slipped will still be able to write virtual dissertations on episodes right up until the end. I'm not sure which show was that last to get such attention. Perhaps Lost but it wasn't anywhere near as strong as this point.

adendreams 09-17-2013 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 19801808)
Some out-of-character behavior:

(1) Hank is totally cool under fire. Even though the rest of the show he has been Captain Panic Attack.

(2) Flynn refuses to listen to a word his father says and sees his mother pull a knife, but is suddenly so totally her tool that he lies about it to the police and maybe himself. Even though the rest of the show, he has loved both his parents and always wanted to hear all sides of the story, and been attuned to dishonesty.

(3) Skyler totally caves to Marie?s humiliating demands immediately. Even though the rest of the show, she has resisted her sister?s attempts to dominate her and always wanted to know everything going on before she acted.

(4) Walt is on tilt and doing stupid things non-stop, from buying Jesse?s burning the money tale to telling a large group of armed killers that he has $80 million dollars buried near by. Even though the rest of the show, Walt?s character has been suspicious, secretive, and brilliant, yet somehow Walt puts all his remaining cash in 7 barrels in the same place. And blabs about it.

(5) But, wait for it, the white power murder meth crew are totally reasonable, so Walt still has $11 million.

(6) And Holly can talk now and ask for her mother.

And on and on. Pretty much the only characters who are behaving in character are Todd and Marie. Todd is still a rational, hard-working, can-do kind of sociopath and Marie is still a competitive jerk who uses every situation as a way to get one up on those theoretically closest to her.

Not only is the story failing on a story level, but there are long dull stretches where we get to watch something literally as boring as watching a middle-aged guy roll a heavy barrel across a desert in real time.
I loved the episode but agree there was so much out of character shit - Its like they hired new writers who hadn't even watched the previous seasons.

oh and jesse looked fat old and balding in the first flashback scene...bad move

dyna mo 09-17-2013 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 19802775)
think he just had a change of heart, kind of the jekyll and hyde syndrome he's had recently. being a good person vs the ego centric power hungry control freak
it's a jekyll & hyde at once! the phone call- dang! talk about ambigous, we could dissect the shit outta just that scene right? and we'd all prolly be right in some way.

that's an amazing component of the show oveall too, imo. they really do play both sides well, good v evil. that's what made the barrel rolling scene so compelling for me.

adendreams 09-17-2013 09:11 AM
When Skylar gets confronted by her sister - and with only heresay, no evidence that it isnt a trick - she breaks down and tells Flynn everything - that was a writers train wreck...it was like slow motion... i was just thinking this cant be real - can a writer fuck up that bad and the scene makes final cut??? unreal error for such a great show.

Relentless 09-17-2013 11:13 AM
The picture of brock and his mom made perfect sense. They were outside their house waiting to kill Jessie, either walt gave them a pic of who to look for... or they took a pic while they were there. For someone like Jessie who doesn't much care about his own well-being but cares immensely about the lives of 'innocents' it's the perfect way to convince him to cook.

Hiding under the car also makes perfect sense. Walt is in Jessie's head... he tells Hank he thinks Walt is the devil, smarter and luckier than you etc... then when he FINALLY thinks they have Walt beat... the nazis show up and Walt is about to win again. Jessie isn't just hiding under his car, he is cowering in fear of Walt and people in fear don't make the best tactical decisions... they tend to do whatever is fastest (like getting under the car).

Nazis who run a nationwide prison syndicate capable of killing 10 inmates in different prisons within a 2 minute window are not a group of 5 or 6 guys capable of taking 70million and walking away. They likely have 100s or 1000s of mouths to feed including family of the incarcerated and a network of 'brothers' nationwide. VERY few people would ever walk away from 150+ million per year just because they found 70M once.

Giving Walt a barrel and letting him go was a very stupid move. Exactly the same kind of stupid move walt made by letting Jessie live so long. Exactly the same stupid move the Mexican Don made by letting Gus live. Exactly the same stupid move so many people in power make when they think they have succeeded. It's the GWB "mission accomplished" mindset that power and temporary success breed when they are allowed to become hubris and arrogance... and it usually bites the person in the ass. That is the entire point of Shelly's poem Ozymanidas. The king of kings always fails... and in this episode the nazis had their Ozymandias moment by letting Walt leave with a barrel of cash...

The pace of this episode was incredibly fast. They closed up so many loose ends and plot points... would jessie find out about jane's death, how would walt jr find out whats going on, what would happen to hank, etc etc.... each of those things could easily have been its own episode. By closing up so many plot points they reached their goal... leaving us with two more episodes and ZERO ability to predict what happens next. Nobody has more than a complete guess as to what might happen next. We are all in the dark now. :2 cents:

dyna mo 09-17-2013 11:23 AM
i didn't say the picture didn't make sense, i asked where they got it and how it got there, after thinking about it, the stakeout scene is the logical ASSUMPTION to that but again, no scene in the show that i recall answers the question specifically.

i know this is the porn business but i doubt anyone one of us here has experience with nazi prison gangs and wtf they'd do with 7 barrels of cash- arguably eponentially more cash than they have ever seen, let alone had. no one here would have guessed they'd give away 15% of it before they ever count it.


just because they had $70m dumped instantly in their laps, doesn't mean their payroll all the sudden jumped too.

Relentless 09-17-2013 11:23 AM
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I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Ozymandias isn't Walt. Ozymandias is every arrogant person who thought they were the king of kings only to find out that their empire had fallen and their assumption of power was an illusion.

Don Eladio
Tucco
Gus Frang
Walt
Nazi Uncle Joe
Hank

Each of them had their time in the sun and thought it was permanent. Each let their arrogance and hubris dictate their actions. Feigned mercy which was actually based in a false feeling of security, talk of love or respect that was really all about their own ego, positions of power and titles like head of the DEA or the Heisenberg moniker itself... which were meant to impress others. It's all temporary, it all fades away and what is left is no more secure than millions of grains of sand. :2 cents:

Relentless 09-17-2013 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19803099)
i didn't say the picture didn't make sense, i asked where they got it and how it got there, after thinking about it, the stakeout scene is the logical ASSUMPTION to that but again, no scene in the show that i recall answers the question specifically. i know this is the porn business but i doubt anyone one of us here has experience with nazi prison gangs and wtf they'd do with 7 barrels of cash- arguably eponentially more cash than they have ever seen, let alone had. no one here would have guessed they'd give away 15% of it before they ever count it. just because they had $70m dumped instantly in their laps, doesn't mean their payroll all the sudden jumped too.
If you think 70M is a game changing amount of money to national prison syndicates, you misunderstand the magnitude of their influence and the economics of the drug trade. Giving away 1 of the barrels is very very unlikely, so is letting walt go... but it fits perfectly within the show's ethos and the Ozymandias theme specifically. It's exactly the same 'mistake' so many others have made from the Don, to Walt with Jessie and so on. Having a 'soft spot' for someone is a terrible idea for a crime lord... yet many seem to and it comes back to bite them. Look how many Gangsters get convicted by informants they trusted.

Relentless 09-17-2013 11:34 AM
Btw, in each case, the guy the king let live is the guy who kills the king on breaking bad.

Don Eladio killed by Gus after letting him live.
Gus killed by Hector Salamanka after letting him live.
Mike killed by Walt after letting him live.

Nazi Joe killed by Walt after letting him live?
Walt killed by Jessie after letting him live?

dyna mo 09-17-2013 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19803110)
If you think 70M is a game changing amount of money to national prison syndicates, you misunderstand the magnitude of their influence and the economics of the drug trade. Giving away 1 of the barrels is very very unlikely, so is letting walt go... but it fits perfectly within the show's ethos and the Ozymandias theme specifically. It's exactly the same 'mistake' so many others have made from the Don, to Walt with Jessie and so on. Having a 'soft spot' for someone is a terrible idea for a crime lord... yet many seem to and it comes back to bite them. Look how many Gangsters get convicted by informants they trusted.
i didn't say it was game changing, and i no, i don't know how national prison syndicates handling their accounting. in fact, i don't even know that todd's uncle's crew is a nationally syndicated prison outfit.

i simply pointed out that getting right back to work after having $70m dumped in your lap is surprising to me, for anyone. lotto winner, etc. not to mention, they just recently took over the meth business, have issues with quality and certainly it's fair to say they are not raking in the dough. and i'm not alone in noticing that.

nevertheless, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment re: where this thread is/was going.

again, the show is ambigous, that is my point. athe show is open-ended often times, uses flash-backs and future scenes mixed together with scenes left out.

Relentless 09-17-2013 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19803162)
i didn't say it was game changing, and i no, i don't know how national prison syndicates handling their accounting. in fact, i don't even know that todd's uncle's crew is a nationally syndicated prison outfit.
They arranged to have 10 of Mike's guys killed in multiple prisons across the country within a 2 minute window. That would require a national syndicate with 100s or 1000s of members (and their families).

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i simply pointed out that getting right back to work after having $70m dumped in your lap is surprising to me, for anyone. lotto winner, etc. not to mention, they just recently took over the meth business, have issues with quality and certainly it's fair to say they are not raking in the dough. and i'm not alone in noticing that.
I think that's more a function of shallow character development. We know almost nothing about Todd's uncle 'away from work.' For all we know they went out and partied like rockstars... but we are only seeing them at work on screen.

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nevertheless, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment re: where this thread is/was going. again, the show is ambigous, that is my point. athe show is open-ended often times, uses flash-backs and future scenes mixed together with scenes left out.
Being less ambiguous would have required 100 more episodes. A whole one on Jr finding out about Walt, another entire episode showing just the shootout and aftermath with nothing else.... the sort of inner dialogue narration that works in books much better than on screen. Breaking bad on TV is like Game of Thrones on TV.... compared to the book it's a hollow shell of itself. I'd love to see a 30,000 page 5-8 book set for breaking bad with much more depth the way Martin has written for GoT... but we just haven't gotten that lucky ;)

dyna mo 09-17-2013 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19803171)
They arranged to have 10 of Mike's guys killed in multiple prisons across the country within a 2 minute window. That would require a national syndicate with 100s or 1000s of members (and their families).



I think that's more a function of shallow character development. We know almost nothing about Todd's uncle 'away from work.' For all we know they went out and partied like rockstars... but we are only seeing them at work on screen.



Being less ambiguous would have required 100 more episodes. A whole one on Jr finding out about Walt, another entire episode showing just the shootout and aftermath with nothing else.... the sort of inner dialogue narration that works in books much better than on screen. Breaking bad on TV is like Game of Thrones on TV.... compared to the book it's a hollow shell of itself. I'd love to see a 30,000 page 5-8 book set for breaking bad with much more depth the way Martin has written for GoT... but we just haven't gotten that lucky ;)

i didn't get the idea that those 10 were necc spread out across the nation. i do know a bit about the aryan nation, that prison gang that the writers are emulating, it's nationwide but has no central authority, calling in an order via that network would not require everyonne in the aryan nation to be on that specific crew's payroll.


but yes, that's my point, the ambiguity of the uncle jack character allows for a variety of scenarios.

in fact, there's very little dev'ed to assume his crew is anything other than a murder for hire squad that just recently, and opportunistically fell into cooking meth:

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Already involved in murder-for-hire, both in and out of prison, the gang recently expanded into methamphetimine production and distribution, following Todd Alquist's work as a meth cook with Walter White.

The gang initially met White when he contracted them to arrange the murder of ten of Gus Fring's former employees in jail within a two-minute window. The murders went smoothly, and following White's retirement from the business, Todd became the primary cook, working with Lydia and Declan. Eventually, Declan fired Todd and the purity of the meth fell dramatically, much to Lydia's chagrin. After she was unable to convince Declan to re-hire Todd, Lydia, formed an alliance with the gang and orchestrated a hit on Declan and his men. The gang stole the remainder of Declan's methlyamine, as well as all of his operation's meth-making equipment, and reinstalled Todd as the primary cook.

Following the gang's expansion into meth production, they were hired by Walter White to murder Jesse Pinkman. After saving Walt from arrest by murdering Hank Schrader and Steven Gomez, Jack and his men steal almost all of Walt's money buried in the desert, and take Jesse prisoner to serve as their slave cook, working alongside Todd.

Members

Jack, gang leader
Kenny, second-in-command
Todd Alquist, the primary cook for the meth operation.
Frankie, white supermacist gang member
Lester, white supermacist gang member
Matt, white supermacist gang member

Partners
Lydia Rodarte-Quayle, manager of the distribution of the meth overseas to the Czech Republic
Walter White, contracted ten murders in jail to be committed by the gang, and made a deal for them to murder Jesse.
Jesse Pinkman, slave cook, taken prisoner to help Todd improve the purity of the gang's meth cooking.

Gang's Victims
Gus's ten former employees (Murdered within a two minute window across multiple prisons, orchestrated by Walt with help of Todd's uncle Jack and the Aryan Brotherhood):
Dan Wachsberger
Ron Forenall
Dennis Markowski
Jack McGann
Andrew Holt
Anthony Perez
Isaac Conley
William Moniz
Harris Boivin
Raymond Martinez
Declan's nine employees (Murdered by the Aryan Brotherhood on the orders of Lydia)
Declan (Shot in the head by Jack)
Steven Gomez (Murdered by the Aryan Brotherhood)
Hank Schrader (Shot in the head by Jack)

i understand being less ambigous would require more shows. my point is the show embraces that ambiguity and uses it as a cinematic tool.

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kane 09-17-2013 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19802560)
A. I don't really turn on my TV unless I have acquired something specifically to watch and B. It's the context. I wouldn't be tearing it apart if it didn't stand in stark relief with the rest of the series. It's coming to expect a high bar which then isn't met. Like going to your favorite resturant expecting confit duck in a sticky cherry sauce with a smear of parsnip and thyme puree and side of duck baklava and being served up a lukewarm grilled sandwich. If all they ever did was serve grilled sandwiches I wouldn't complain that much, I probably wouldn't ever go there in the first place, but I wouldn't be expecting much more if I did. BB is/was easily a top 5 TV show of all time, up with the usual suspects like The Wire , Sopranos, Mad Men etc etc. But these last episodes are threatening that status with shitty writing. Currently I'm watching Boardwalk Empire and BB, Treme will start soon and that should continue to be decent. In a lower tier of shows that I keep up with but don't rate highly - Dexter, Trueblood, Walking Dead and Homeland. However with those shows I know I'm just getting a grilled sandwich.. and with Trueblood it's basically a hollow brain dead sandwich. I don't expect that much from them so I'm not disappointed. Walking Dead in particular is cursed with the kind of bad writing I'm talking about. Characters that do one thing one episode and do a complete irrational U turn the next.. Where zombies teleport right behind people, where a bad guy can chase someone and magically find them like they are a homing needle in a haystack, where one guy can kill 30 zombies but another guy can't fight off 1, where people randomly decide not to kill people they really, really should. It took them 2 entire seasons of fighting zombies with guns that drew in more zombies before they realised maybe, just maybe silencers were a good idea. I literally thanked the TV screen the first scene they used one and said a silent thank you to the writer for having half a brain. I probably would have given up after season two if the writing didn't IMMEDIATELY get better in season 3 after some writers were laid off and new smarter people came on. It's still pretty lame but watchable.
Anyways because BB has proven to be so epically great in the past, when it is just average with the kind of writing you expect in far shittier shows it REALLY STANDS OUT.. like a turd in caviar. Having your suspension of disbelief splattered all over the floor from bad writing really does ruin it.. I don't want to be thinking about the writers.. I want to be engrossed in the characters, which means they have to behave in vaguely realistic ways. You'll notice I never said the characters SHOULDN'T be on the arcs they're on, just that they needed better writing and/or more time to make these actions believable and not seemingly entirely arbitrary. I'm more like a tiger mom than a hater. I only want the best out of the show and don't feel I need to uncritically praise it no matter what just because it's generally better than whatever other stupid shit is on TV.

Fair enough.

I too consider the show to be among the best shows ever along with Sopranos, The Wire etc.

I look at it like this. Walt is not some hardened criminal mastermind who has spent the last 20 years building a criminal empire. He is a high school chemistry teacher who got cancer and decided to take a risk in order to get money for his family before he dies. They showed how inept he was at things when he started in the opening of this last episode as he practiced how he was going to lie to Skylar.

He got himself pulled into it further than he likely ever expected. I remember early in the show his goal was to make something like $700K. There were setbacks and bumps in the road and he grew out of need and kind of made things up as he went along.

So when he suddenly does something out of character I forgive that. The same with many of the other characters. They are all living in uncharted waters and now it is all crashing down on them. People are strange. I know people in my everyday life who occasionally do things that are out of character for them. Here they are used as plot devices, but I can overlook that. If everyone acted exactly as they have throughout the show could go on for another 10 years with it just being one long stalemate. Somebody has to break for the walls to crumble.

The reality was upon Walt that the end was here. The gig was up. Once he knew that Hank knew the truth it was over. Hank wasn't just going to look the other way and Hank wasn't a guy he could just kill and be done with. At best Hank never gets enough on him to arrest him and his family is forever fractured by this. At worst Hank puts him in jail and his family is forever fractured by this. Hank, in reality, was a bigger threat to him than anyone else. That put immense pressure on him because for the first time Walt wasn't 100% sure how to deal with a problem.

When the empire crumbles around you and the pressure comes crashing in on you as you try to juggle all the lies and deceit you have built up, people do strange things. Nero fiddled, Hector stood tall and defiant, Hitler killed himself and Walter White crumbled, begged for the life of his brother in law and was willing to trade what he had worked, killed, lied and stole to accumulate to do so. I'm fine with that.

Relentless 09-17-2013 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19803209)
I understand being less ambigous would require more shows. my point is the show embraces that ambiguity and uses it as a cinematic tool.
We agree

Paul 09-17-2013 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19802554)
y'all didnt nitpick the obvious big plot hole

nazis get $70 mil so the next thing they do is start cooking again.
Was thinking the same thing myself! :thumbsup

All the Nazis had to do was kill Walt & Jesse, bury the bodies along with Hank & Gomez in the desert and they are set for life with their $80 million.

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19802452)
I'm just curious. For those who are tearing this episode apart, what else do you watch? If you consider this episode crap, can you even turn on your TV without your head exploding?
The reason why we're all picking it apart is because this show has been 10/10 quality up until the last few episodes and all the fans have such high expectations.

One of the things that made this show so great was the original and believable plots, the way the characters and story was so well written.

It was a joy to watch because you didn't question the characters actions because it was all so plausible, this show was on another level to most other TV shows!

Paul 09-17-2013 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19802560)
A. I don't really turn on my TV unless I have acquired something specifically to watch and B. It's the context. I wouldn't be tearing it apart if it didn't stand in stark relief with the rest of the series. It's coming to expect a high bar which then isn't met. Like going to your favorite resturant expecting confit duck in a sticky cherry sauce with a smear of parsnip and thyme puree and side of duck baklava and being served up a lukewarm grilled sandwich. If all they ever did was serve grilled sandwiches I wouldn't complain that much, I probably wouldn't ever go there in the first place, but I wouldn't be expecting much more if I did. BB is/was easily a top 5 TV show of all time, up with the usual suspects like The Wire , Sopranos, Mad Men etc etc. But these last episodes are threatening that status with shitty writing. Currently I'm watching Boardwalk Empire and BB, Treme will start soon and that should continue to be decent.
Great analogy! :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy (Post 19802560)
Anyways because BB has proven to be so epically great in the past, when it is just average with the kind of writing you expect in far shittier shows it REALLY STANDS OUT.. like a turd in caviar. Having your suspension of disbelief splattered all over the floor from bad writing really does ruin it.. I don't want to be thinking about the writers.. I want to be engrossed in the characters, which means they have to behave in vaguely realistic ways. You'll notice I never said the characters SHOULDN'T be on the arcs they're on, just that they needed better writing and/or more time to make these actions believable and not seemingly entirely arbitrary. I'm more like a tiger mom than a hater. I only want the best out of the show and don't feel I need to uncritically praise it no matter what just because it's generally better than whatever other stupid shit is on TV.
Word! :2 cents:

mineistaken 09-17-2013 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19802685)
$70 million dollars in cash and it's get back to work cooking shitty meth time? for a bunch of knucklehead nazis. not really. look to any mob movie/heist/caper film for what the bad guys do when they get a shitton of cash money dropped in their laps.
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Not shitty meth, since they have pinkman, who can cook close to Walt's quality, at least better than Tod's quality. Plus they have contracts and they need to deliver certain amount.
On top of that - gangs do not go out of business just because they scored big time. One individual may, but gang as a whole does not stop activities.
All that considered, I have to disagree that its a plot hole.

Socks 09-17-2013 03:53 PM
Is this the final season?

kane 09-17-2013 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19803413)
Was thinking the same thing myself! :thumbsup

All the Nazis had to do was kill Walt & Jesse, bury the bodies along with Hank & Gomez in the desert and they are set for life with their $80 million.
But they are still beholden to cook meth for Lydia and her people. She likely won't just let them walk away.



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The reason why we're all picking it apart is because this show has been 10/10 quality up until the last few episodes and all the fans have such high expectations.

One of the things that made this show so great was the original and believable plots, the way the characters and story was so well written.

It was a joy to watch because you didn't question the characters actions because it was all so plausible, this show was on another level to most other TV shows!
I understand people love the show and put it on a pedestal. I do it myself.

I just have this feeling if you went back and looked at the series as a whole and went over every aspect of it with a microscope like people are doing with these last few episodes you would find plenty of flaws.

I have a feeling that people love the show so much it hurts them to see it go and by dissecting it and finding every little flaw they are helping themselves cope with it. Breaking Bad is the hot girlfriend that you know is about to break up with you so you find flaws with her to make the break up a little easier.

adendreams 09-17-2013 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19803463)
Breaking Bad is the hot girlfriend that you know is about to break up with you so you find flaws with her to make the break up a little easier.
No it's not. Breaking Bad is the hot girlfriend who is about to leave for college so she starts acting all crazy and irrational till 2 weeks before she leaves and you'll be glad to see the bitch go.

Loved her like hell but see ya.

Relentless 09-17-2013 04:08 PM
Breaking bad is hotter than either of those metaphorical girls.

adendreams 09-17-2013 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19803477)
Breaking bad is hotter than either of those metaphorical girls.
what say you to my earlier:

"When Skylar gets confronted by her sister - and with only heresay, no evidence that it isnt a trick - she breaks down and tells Flynn everything - that was a writers train wreck...it was like slow motion... i was just thinking this cant be real - can a writer fuck up that bad and the scene makes final cut??? unreal error for such a great show."

The real Skylar would immediately have been skeptical and demanded proof - some evidence that Walt was in custody...This stepford Skylar just cracks and blubbers on command? huh?

Zuzana Designs 09-17-2013 04:12 PM
Breaking Bad > all other shows. Wish it was Sunday. Can't wait to take a vacation and rewatch the series.


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