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Paul 09-17-2013 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19803463)
But they are still beholden to cook meth for Lydia and her people. She likely won't just let them walk away.

She'd be easy to kill, she's just a business women that doesn't like getting involved in the nasty side of the business.

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19803463)
I understand people love the show and put it on a pedestal. I do it myself.

I just have this feeling if you went back and looked at the series as a whole and went over every aspect of it with a microscope like people are doing with these last few episodes you would find plenty of flaws.

I have a feeling that people love the show so much it hurts them to see it go and by dissecting it and finding every little flaw they are helping themselves cope with it. Breaking Bad is the hot girlfriend that you know is about to break up with you so you find flaws with her to make the break up a little easier.

As I mentioned in the thread for the last episode, I think Breaking Bad needed season 5 split into two seasons with 4 or 5 extra episodes in each season but I can appreciate why they are packing so much into the final few episodes. It wouldn't be possible to show how quickly everything has unravelled for Walt without these fast paced episodes.

I'm really looking forward to the last 2 episodes :pimp

kane 09-17-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams (Post 19803481)
what say you to my earlier:

"When Skylar gets confronted by her sister - and with only heresay, no evidence that it isnt a trick - she breaks down and tells Flynn everything - that was a writers train wreck...it was like slow motion... i was just thinking this cant be real - can a writer fuck up that bad and the scene makes final cut??? unreal error for such a great show."

The real Skylar would immediately have been skeptical and demanded proof - some evidence that Walt was in custody...This stepford Skylar just cracks and blubbers on command? huh?

I have always maintained that ever since the episode where Walt and Skylar fight in the bedroom and she tells him that she will survive whatever he throws at her and do whatever it takes to keep her kids safe until the cancer comes back and kills him that she has been wanting to talk and was just afraid.

In most cases it seems like her first reaction is to do the right thing then she gets turned around. At times she is cold and calculating, but she has her safety and the safety of the kids first and foremost in her mind. I can see how she had reached the end of her rope. Her sister tells her Walt has been taken into custody by Hank, she can't reach him, Hank can't be reached and she has her kids with her maybe she just finally cracks. She is just done with the games and finally wants to surrender. With Marie at her side she sees a way out of this where she and the kids can be safe and way from Walt.

To me it just wasn't that far fetched. Marie threw her a life vest and she decided to put it on.

kane 09-17-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19803490)
She'd be easy to kill, she's just a business women that doesn't like getting involved in the nasty side of the business.

She is involved with people who are a lot bigger and more powerful that that group of neo-nazis. They could kill her, but those other people will still want their meth. There is always a bigger fish up the food chain. Once you are in it is hard to just walk away.

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As I mentioned in the thread for the last episode, I think Breaking Bad needed season 5 split into two seasons with 4 or 5 extra episodes in each season but I can appreciate why they are packing so much into the final few episodes. It wouldn't be possible to show how quickly everything has unravelled for Walt without these fast paced episodes.

I'm really looking forward to the last 2 episodes :pimp
I agree. The show could go on for another 50 episodes as we disect every detail and play out every little subplot to its final endgame while fully explaining every reason why someone did what they did. That isn't going to happen. They are ending it and they need to push things along in order to wrap it up.

I can't wait to see how it all turns out. Breaking Bad at its worst is better than anything else out there right now.

Relentless 09-17-2013 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by adendreams (Post 19803481)
what say you to my earlier: "When Skylar gets confronted by her sister - and with only heresay, no evidence that it isnt a trick - she breaks down and tells Flynn everything - that was a writers train wreck...it was like slow motion... i was just thinking this cant be real - can a writer fuck up that bad and the scene makes final cut??? unreal error for such a great show." The real Skylar would immediately have been skeptical and demanded proof - some evidence that Walt was in custody...This stepford Skylar just cracks and blubbers on command? huh?


I'd like to have seen 10 more episodes and they clearly had deep enough plot to fill them. That sort of move for expediency was similar to having Huel roll over so quickly. It should have been a longer more detailed scene but was truncated to make room.

Relentless 09-17-2013 07:40 PM

For those who dislike the way the show is going or the way this episode went...

http://grrm.livejournal.com/337511.html

George RR Martin disagrees with you.

AmeliaG 09-18-2013 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19803661)
For those who dislike the way the show is going or the way this episode went...

http://grrm.livejournal.com/337511.html

George RR Martin disagrees with you.

GRRM knows that a lot of people are surly about the Red Wedding scene and that will be tough for awards, so he is doing the smart thing and pointing out that other quality shows also have appalling stuff happen.

If he actually thinks that say Ramsay Snow is a better person than Walter White, we'll have to agree to disagree. Let's not have any Game of Thrones spoilers in this thread though, as there is no warning about that in the title.

seeandsee 09-18-2013 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 19803117)
Walt killed by Jessie after letting him live?

Maybe if he let him alive at next episode, in last he asked for his head :pimp

notauniquename 09-18-2013 08:47 AM

I only read the first page of this thread so forgive me if someone has already said it.

And I know Walter can't die with two episodes to go but I think the story line they created is a little far fetched in that.

If this was real and the Nazis followed a realistic line they would have also killed WW right after scooping up the 80 mil. They know he has strong ties to the DEA guys they just killed. They know the Police will be questioning him at least. What purpose does WW serve to them now? Especially after they know WW didnt want Hank to die and he may want to seek revenge. I was just thinking after getting the money, why aren't they popping him too?

dyna mo 09-18-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by notauniquename (Post 19804244)
I only read the first page of this thread so forgive me if someone has already said it.

And I know Walter can't die with two episodes to go but I think the story line they created is a little far fetched in that.

If this was real and the Nazis followed a realistic line they would have also killed WW right after scooping up the 80 mil. They know he has strong ties to the DEA guys they just killed. They know the Police will be questioning him at least. What purpose does WW serve to them now? Especially after they know WW didnt want Hank to die and he may want to seek revenge. I was just thinking after getting the money, why aren't they popping him too?

obviously they are shrewd & savvy murder for hire nazis with a sense of fairness and solid work ethic. nazis gangs stick to that code, even when $70m falls in their laps.

:)

flashfire 09-18-2013 11:20 AM

crazy that in 2 episodes its all over

MrBottomTooth 09-18-2013 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by adendreams (Post 19803481)
what say you to my earlier:

"When Skylar gets confronted by her sister - and with only heresay, no evidence that it isnt a trick - she breaks down and tells Flynn everything - that was a writers train wreck...it was like slow motion... i was just thinking this cant be real - can a writer fuck up that bad and the scene makes final cut??? unreal error for such a great show."

The real Skylar would immediately have been skeptical and demanded proof - some evidence that Walt was in custody...This stepford Skylar just cracks and blubbers on command? huh?

She was on the phone trying to get a hold of Walt all day. You could tell she knew something was wrong because Walt was not getting back to her. Just as she gets off the phone with his voice mail again (you could tell she had been calling multiple times because of the message she left and the distress on her face) she turns around to see her sister in their car wash with a smug look on her face, someone they had been avoiding for quite some time.

Sometimes you just get those feelings, and add to that the fact Walt has not returned her phone calls all day I'm sure she knew what was going on at that point once the sister showed up out of the blue at the same time Walt had apparently vanished for the day.

JockoHomo 09-18-2013 11:38 AM

Yep, leave a witness to the murder of 2 federal DEA agents alive AND then give him 11 million dollars on top of that.

Totally unreal.

bronco67 09-18-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19804254)
obviously they are shrewd & savvy murder for hire nazis with a sense of fairness and solid work ethic. nazis gangs stick to that code, even when $70m falls in their laps.

:)

I was thinking the same thing. Not all bad guys are so black and white. This Jack guy has shades of grey.

He's a monster, but I'll bet any of us could sit down and have a chat with him and he'd appear to be perfectly nice fellow, as long as you didn't know his line of work. The actor portraying him is doing a good job of making him seem like an every-man.

I always thought the best bad guys are ones who would kill you in an instant, but they'd also help an old lady cross the street.

dyna mo 09-18-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19804528)
I was thinking the same thing. Not all bad guys are so black and white. This Jack guy has shades of grey.

He's a monster, but I'll bet any of us could sit down and have a chat with him and he'd appear to be perfectly nice fellow, as long as you didn't know his line of work. The actor portraying him is doing a good job of making him seem like an every-man.

I always thought the best bad guys are ones who would kill you in an instant, but they'd also help an old lady cross the street.

his character is as morally ambigous as the other key characters at this point. i mean hell, they had jesse doing rails in the car, while we sympathize with him. we have ww do baby talk with holly after he kidnaps her and flips out on skyler, which could be a whole nother topic.

i like the uncle jack character. while i was concerned a bit that the show would end with him being ww's ultimate and final adversary (and i would have a big big problem with that ending), he's actually proving to be just as questionable as the rest of the cast, you really never know with any of them what they will do or say next.

it's easy for any of us to say that this character should have done that or said this, but if we know anything about the show by now, it's that we have no idea what the characters are going to say or do next.

:1orglaugh

JockoHomo 09-18-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19804546)

it's easy for any of us to say that this character should have done that or said this, but if we know anything about the show by now, it's that we have no idea what the characters are going to say or do next.

:1orglaugh

Yes, they do like to keep the viewer in suspense and give us surprises now and then they still have to operate within the boundaries of reality as this is not science fiction. There are certain behaviors that are logical and therefore, predictable.

Short of a character having a mental breakdown or a schizophrenic episode and therefore acting irrationally or hearing voices their actions should be within a certain range of possibilities.

When they go out of those ranges it become absurd and therefore unbelievable.

:2 cents:

dyna mo 09-18-2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JockoHomo (Post 19804583)
Yes, they do like to keep the viewer in suspense and give us surprises now and then they still have to operate within the boundaries of reality as this is not science fiction. There are certain behaviors that are logical and therefore, predictable.

Short of a character having a mental breakdown or a schizophrenic episode and therefore acting irrationally or hearing voices their actions should be within a certain range of possibilities.

When they go out of those ranges it become absurd and therefore unbelievable.

:2 cents:

i've always thought absurd it the proper word to describe this show! :1orglaugh in fact, the premise was so absurd to me, i refused to watch that first season when it initially aired.

i mean honestly, a tele show about a chem teach turned meth guy? pfft.......

:1orglaugh

Sarah_Jayne 09-18-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19804659)
i've always thought absurd it the proper word to describe this show! :1orglaugh in fact, the premise was so absurd to me, i refused to watch that first season when it initially aired.

i mean honestly, a tele show about a chem teach turned meth guy? pfft.......

:1orglaugh

My mother - the retired science teacher - is the one that recommended the show to me. Occasionally, that has made me wonder.

dyna mo 09-18-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne (Post 19804685)
My mother - the retired science teacher - is the one that recommended the show to me. Occasionally, that has made me wonder.

hah, what does she have to say about it all?

Juicy D. Links 09-18-2013 02:54 PM

anyone else in this thread naked?

Jel 09-18-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne (Post 19804685)
My mother - the retired science teacher - is the one that recommended the show to me. Occasionally, that has made me wonder.

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

Sarah_Jayne 09-18-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19804710)
hah, what does she have to say about it all?

She's been strangely silent about this season. If I see barrels the next time I visit, I'm asking for a loan.

dyna mo 09-18-2013 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne (Post 19804894)
She's been strangely silent about this season. If I see barrels the next time I visit, I'm asking for a loan.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i'd just grab a barrel, no biggie, seems like giving away 1 barrel of cash is no problemo!

Far-L 09-19-2013 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 19801808)
Some out-of-character behavior:

(1) Hank is totally cool under fire. Even though the rest of the show he has been Captain Panic Attack.

(2) Flynn refuses to listen to a word his father says and sees his mother pull a knife, but is suddenly so totally her tool that he lies about it to the police and maybe himself. Even though the rest of the show, he has loved both his parents and always wanted to hear all sides of the story, and been attuned to dishonesty.

(3) Skyler totally caves to Marie’s humiliating demands immediately. Even though the rest of the show, she has resisted her sister’s attempts to dominate her and always wanted to know everything going on before she acted.

(4) Walt is on tilt and doing stupid things non-stop, from buying Jesse’s burning the money tale to telling a large group of armed killers that he has $80 million dollars buried near by. Even though the rest of the show, Walt’s character has been suspicious, secretive, and brilliant, yet somehow Walt puts all his remaining cash in 7 barrels in the same place. And blabs about it.

(5) But, wait for it, the white power murder meth crew are totally reasonable, so Walt still has $11 million.

(6) And Holly can talk now and ask for her mother.

And on and on. Pretty much the only characters who are behaving in character are Todd and Marie. Todd is still a rational, hard-working, can-do kind of sociopath and Marie is still a competitive jerk who uses every situation as a way to get one up on those theoretically closest to her.

Not only is the story failing on a story level, but there are long dull stretches where we get to watch something literally as boring as watching a middle-aged guy roll a heavy barrel across a desert in real time.

Politely disagree...

1. Hank under the most stressful conditions, i,e. life or death, is very calm - the opposite of his self in a sense, and that was demonstrated previously in the shoot out he was in. That sort of calm under duress is not unusual. Think of him like a soldier that has to be close to the action because he thrives on that - the "peace and calm" of his day to day job and life is what stresses him out and he doesn't feel "normal" unless he is back at the center of danger. This has been well depicted throughout the series imo.

2. Junior just was told his dad was a meth dealing killer. He is completely confused. He even stays out on the edge of the fight, helpless and immobile, until he sees Walt getting the upper hand and about to kill his mom, then and only then did he jump in, forced to take a side, and in defense of his mother's life. Only that level of extreme showed him "the truth" necessary to act and take a side.

3. Skyler doesn't cave until she thinks Walt is busted and headed for jail. At that point, it is over for her and she has to do whatever she can because at that point obviously she can't hide or make any excuses - in her mind an inevitable truth is about to become known to her son. She is not "caving" so much as she is "saving" which is true to her character 100%.

4. One of Walt's greatest tricks is always making people think they have beaten him. Enough said. I would agree about burying everything in one place but he had to memorize those coordinates, doing that for six spots would be tough unless he had special mnemonic skills.

5. The Nazi had the foresight to realize that they needed Walt still. Much easier to keep him on the payroll if he doesn't take everything. And Walt did pretty much give it away just moments before.

6.. Kid is well over a year old, that is not unusual since "ma" is a first word for kids in many different languages.

The barrel rolling actually was sort of funny Sisyphean motif and metaphor and I thought it played well. The "boulder" of his cash had rolled back down the hill and he was rolling it back up in a sense.

Anyway, that is my opinion on the matter...:winkwink:

dyna mo 09-19-2013 09:25 AM

I'm going to miss these threads! it's a rare thing when a tele show can provoke peeps enough to want, & need even, to discuss it at thise level.

aaaaaaaargh!

Juicy D. Links 09-22-2013 07:29 PM

Tonights episode BUUMPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

Zuzana Designs 09-22-2013 08:10 PM

What a great show. One left!

Juicy D. Links 09-23-2013 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs (Post 19809120)
What a great show. One left!


one more baby !!!!!!!!!!

Phoenix 09-23-2013 04:15 AM

they are saving everything for the last episode..i cant wait

Paul 09-23-2013 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 19809321)
they are saving everything for the last episode..i cant wait

:thumbsup

For those who don't know what they are gonna watch once Breaking Bad ends, they are creating a spin off Better Call Saul

It's not going to be the same type of show but it could be good :)

mineistaken 09-23-2013 08:22 AM

So Todd cooked 92% purity and they agreed that it was Heisenberg's quality. However I remember when Gale analyzed Walter's product it was 99% purity.
What am I missing here?

Paul 09-23-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19809497)
So Todd cooked 92% purity and they agreed that it was Heisenberg's quality. However I remember when Gale analyzed Walter's product it was 99% purity.
What am I missing here?

The fact it was cooked by Jesse?

Choopa_Pardo 09-23-2013 09:14 AM

I need some xanax. This show is ruining my mind.

mineistaken 09-23-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19809501)
The fact it was cooked by Jesse?

I think you did not understand my question.
Why was that Jesse's 92% meth called "Heisenberg's level" while Heisenberg's level was 99%?
And as we remember from the episode where Gale tested Heisenberg's meth - few percentages may not seem a lot, but they actually are a LOT. So 92% is not even close to heisenberg's level.

Paul 09-23-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19809557)
I think you did not understand my question.
Why was that Jesse's 92% meth called "Heisenberg's quality" while Heisenberg's quality was 99%?

Anything over 90% gave the meth the distinctive blue colour that was Heisenberg's trademark and that was the level of quality that Lydia's buyers in Europe demanded.

Paul 09-23-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19809557)
I think you did not understand my question.And as we remember from the episode where Gale tested Heisenberg's meth - few percentages may not seem a lot, but they actually are a LOT. So 92% is not even close to heisenberg's level.

It's a hell of a lot better than Todd's 76% :)

I see your point though, 92% must be better than anything else on the market.

adendreams 09-23-2013 11:28 AM

He told the chick it was 93 - then told Jesse it was 96...right?

Why?

Sarah_Jayne 09-23-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19809557)
I think you did not understand my question.
Why was that Jesse's 92% meth called "Heisenberg's level" while Heisenberg's level was 99%?
And as we remember from the episode where Gale tested Heisenberg's meth - few percentages may not seem a lot, but they actually are a LOT. So 92% is not even close to heisenberg's level.

But vastly better than they had been cooking and therefore she can sell it. Plus, it is blue. It is the only reason they killed Jesse's girl and not him.

Sarah_Jayne 09-23-2013 12:19 PM

For those that enjoy the quirks of the show's creators - http://www.avclub.com/articles/of-co...reak%2C103228/

Also...did anybody else that watched both Dexter (don't spoil it in this thread) and BB notice they both ended on pretty much the same shot?

dyna mo 09-23-2013 12:20 PM

odd that this week's episode didn't motivate it's own thread.

woj 09-23-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19809787)
odd that this week's episode didn't motivate it's own thread.

probably because it was another filler episode with very little plot...:2 cents:


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