Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19835712)

South Carolina seceded, and the first shots fired were by rebel forces at Ft Sumter, so how does that make the Civil War (as most people refer to it) a war of Northern Aggression (led by those damn Republicans).
ADG

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19835875)

Having said that...most of the young guys in the southern states who run around with their confederate flags ARE using them because they are racist. Plain and simple.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19835856)

so a german could say the nazi flag is really a symbol of their heritage, and not a hate symbol?

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19835874)

That all great, and true. It's a valid symbol of a heritage specific to a large part of the country, the slavery thing notwithstanding. But that flag in front of a black president's White House means a whole other thing, and you know that. Look at the intent behind it, and you'll have the correct reaction, which should be "that guy is part of the problem."

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 19835889)

Thats what white guilters fucked up, genuine non racist people from the South are afraid to take ou tte flag because liberals and white guilters automatically label them as racists..

Originally Posted by noshit (Post 19835995)

This thread, Authoritarian Democrats link the confederate flag to 'racism' when in fact, it is nothing more than a proud expression of Southern Heritage.

If the Authoritarian Democrats were honest, they would talk about how it was the Democrats that started hate groups; including the Ku Klux Klan, that they so conveniently link to the Confederate Southern Heritage flag.

Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 19835898)

Oops.

http://i.imgur.com/vok91Ny.jpg

Originally Posted by noshit (Post 19835995)

This thread, Authoritarian Democrats link the confederate flag to 'racism' when in fact, it is nothing more than a proud expression of Southern Heritage.

If the Authoritarian Democrats were honest, they would talk about how it was the Democrats that started hate groups; including the Ku Klux Klan, that they so conveniently link to the Confederate Southern Heritage flag.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19835635)

What if black people went around all the time with chains on because it's "heritage"?
Wouldn't that be dumb and maybe it would only be done to cause "white guilt"?

OH WAIT!!

That's what all those gold chains we wear are meant for.
Nevermid.
:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19835201)

That's like saying "I am a loser and proud of it".



oPeN yOuR eYeS.

Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 19836033)

Proud to remind everyone your ancestors had their asses handed to them for being completely un patriotic fucks.

Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 19836033)

Exactly. Proud to remind everyone your ancestors had their asses handed to them for being completely un patriotic fucks.

Like the current day tea partiers.

Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 19836033)

Exactly. Proud to remind everyone your ancestors had their asses handed to them for being completely un patriotic fucks.

Like the current day tea partiers.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19836098)

Sorry but this makes no sense, the Tea Party are completely patriotic. They love their country and don't want it changed. It may be different from what you want, but calling them unpatriotic because they favor different policies than you do is in itself unpatriotic.

Or am I wrong and you favor free speech?

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19836102)

Trying to torpedo the government and people's lives is patriotic? It sounds more like terrorism.

If they want a revolution, they should take up arms and see what happens. Or play the game that's been established. So many people's lives have been affected by their fucking shenanagins. My 401k (or yours) could be losing a massive amount of money because of the ripple effects.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19836098)

Sorry but this makes no sense, the Tea Party are completely patriotic. They love their country and don't want it changed. It may be different from what you want, but calling them unpatriotic because they favor different policies than you do is in itself unpatriotic.

Or am I wrong and you favor free speech?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19835850)

You're an idiot and know shit about it

This was written in 2006, but it's history that the democratic party hates when people find out about it

To begin with, the Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery activists, in contrast to the pro-slavery Democratic Party. It was Abe Lincoln, a Republican President, who led the North to victory in the Civil War and freed the slaves while the Democrats did everything in their power to keep black Americans down.

Fast forward to 1898 in Wilmington, N.C., where Democrats murdered black Republicans so they could stage, ?the nation?s only recorded coup d?etat.? Then, in 1922, Democrats in the Senate filibustered a Republican attempt to make lynching a federal crime. A little later on, FDR nominated former Klansman Hugo Black to the Supreme Court. Contrast that to Republican President Dwight Eisenhower, who actually ?sent troops? to ensure that schools in Little Rock, Ark., were desegregated and ordered the ?complete desegregation of the Armed Forces.? Noticing any trends?

But, that was such a long time ago, right? Things really changed in the ?60s, didn?t they? Yes, Americans ? particularly black Americans ? really owe Democratic President Lyndon Johnson a debt of gratitude for destroying American families and causing the number of illegitimate births to skyrocket ? by pushing entitlement programs that made it much easier to have children out of wedlock.

Remember George ?segregation now, segregation tomorrow and segregation forever? Wallace standing in the door of an Alabama schoolhouse to keep black children from being able to go to school with whites? George Wallace was a Democrat. Remember Bull Connor turning water hoses and dogs on civil rights protestors? Bull Connor was a Democrat.

But, what about the revolutionary Civil Rights Act of 1964? That?s where the Democrats showed their mettle and Republicans were proven to be racists. Right? Wrong. 82% of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 versus only 64% of Democrats. Furthermore, a few years later, it was Republican Richard Nixon who first put teeth behind affirmative action.

But, what about today? You?d think that with Democrats receiving upwards of 90% of the black vote in some cases, that there would be few, if any, prominent black Republicans while black Americans would be amongst the biggest power players in the Democratic Party. However, the opposite has often turned out to be true. Once you look past the gerrymandered districts that have to remain in place because so many liberal whites simply won?t vote for black candidates (There are only five black Democrats in the House representing majority white districts), you?ll see that the Republican Party has surpassed the Democrats in many areas.

there's more if you want to read it
http://www.humanevents.com/2006/07/0...d-republicans/

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19835864)

Give me a fucking break. Why didn't you say "Isn't it to bad people like that try to associate themselves with the party you love" People that twist everything around to fit their personal agenda sicken me.

You're smarter than that. So what's your agenda ???????

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19836116)

Ted Cruz & Sarah Palin believe what they believe and say what they want to say, to advance their political agenda, right?

My question is, why didn't they denounce the guy with the confederate flag?

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 19836116)

Is it because I'm wrong and its not a racist symbol, and it is ok to wave it at the White house in 2013? Maybe, but plenty of other people on the news anyway seem to be really upset by this.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19835875)

I got married in Charleston, SC and took the ferry out to Fort Sumter many times. Very cool.

South Carolina had seceded from the "union" of states (yeah, like anybody can EVER leave...lol)

The governor asked the United States govt. to leave Ft. Sumter (which is in the harbor of Charleston).

The United States refused of course (do we ever leave anywhere in the world...hell, we're still in Germany and Japan lol).

Then the governor sent forces in to take the fort.

Kind of bad on both sides. The Confederate States Of America didn't invade the United States Of America. It was the U.S. forces that then invaded the CSA.

And if you know your history you know that what Gen. Sherman did was an atrocity. If it were done in modern times it would be a war crime and he would have been tried and executed by the world courts.

THAT is why it's called the "War Of Northern Aggression" by many Southerners.

Having said that...most of the young guys in the southern states who run around with their confederate flags ARE using them because they are racist. Plain and simple.

They don't represent any of the culture, manners, and civilized society of the Old South.

A true Southern Gentleman of the mid-1800's would find these modern day white trash rednecks disgusting and without any honor or pride in themselves.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19836098)

Sorry but this makes no sense, the Tea Party are completely patriotic. They love their country and don't want it changed. It may be different from what you want, but calling them unpatriotic because they favor different policies than you do is in itself unpatriotic.

Or am I wrong and you favor free speech?

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19836392)

Its interesting besides ww2 we didnt have a deficit as a country until Reagan lowered tax rates and middle class wages became flat. Since Reagan, we have had a deficit ever since. Welfare and food stamps aint causing it.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19836414)

They actually call Gen Sherman the father of modern warfare. Sherman's massive destruction helped bring the war to a close quicker.

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 19836181)

One little historical note to anyone that would say that the Civil War (or War Between the States) was not about slavery, just read some of the secession statements:

Texas:


Georgia:


Mississippi:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19836421)

took everything my family had, and if you were to study any military warfare at all you find this a very old tactic, BTW just think how loud you would be crying if an American force did that today :2 cents:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19836437)

those quotes entirely show that the war was about the secession, not about slavery.

from those quotes-





the debate on this aspect of the war is long over. slavery was A big part of what led to seceeding, that attempt to suceed let to the northern aggression and the start of the civil war.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19836448)

It wasnt northern aggression, it was the us government coming in because secession is an unconstitutional act.

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19836438)

actually civilwar.org would disagree with you
http://www.civilwar.org/education/hi...t-sherman.html

We do that now and you dont see me cry. We kill 20 in a wedding party because they think maybe a terrorist is in the bunch. I think we shouldnt be there.

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19836421)

took everything my family had, and if you were to study any military warfare at all you find this a very old tactic, BTW just think how loud you would be crying if an American force did that today :2 cents:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19836529)

Create some more slave states and test your theory of loud crying when it's burnt to the ground again.

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 19836539)

you actually have no idea of the history of slavery do you? you think ignorance is funny? or are you getting a kick out of my family being killed and driven off their land?

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19836132)

My guess would be that neither person even knew that guy was there.

I was driving in my car today and surfing channels on the radio and hit Sean Hannity's radio show and stopped for a minute to listen.

I'm pretty sure that he is about as "conservative" as they get.

And he was talking about the confederate flag guy and the other guy who said that Obama should "put down the koran"
Sean Hannity said that both people were stupid and "idiots".

And then he very correctly pointed out that Democrats and the media are focusing on these two idiots instead of the valid points that the tea party people were making.

Instead of reporting about the debt being almost 17 trillion dollars now...and that Congress and the Pres. want to raise the Debt Ceiling (which was a law created 40 something years ago so that we COULD NOT go any further) yet again, all the media is reporting is the ONE guy holding a confederate flag.
Nice deflection from what's going on huh?

The debt ceiling has been raised over 50 times since it was started. It's completely useless if they just raise the amount every time. Why even have it?

It was supposed to stop the govt. from spending more than it makes.

But Hannity pointed out that instead of that being the focus...the media and the Democrats are putting the public relations smackdown on the Tea Party and showing a lunatic with a confederate flag and a guy who said something that was just plain stupid.

To say that represents all those tea party people would be like saying that George Zimmerman represents all Hispanic people.
Or Jeffery Dahmer represents all White people.

It's just not so.

I don't believe that citizens who are Democrats are all just like Nancy Pelosi either.

I personally think that Palin is bat shit crazy. She is a religious NUT.

Sen. Ted Cruz on the other hand? Smart guy. And he's got balls.

And we are seeing what the Republican and Democrat parties do to anybody who dares go against "Business As Usual" in politics.
They are out to destroy him.

The pundits on CNN and MSNBC talk about him like he's "crazy", and talk about "The adults getting back in the room" when they refer to the career/lifetime scumbag politicians in both parties who are attacking him.

Really? The "adults" are the ones who have ran up 17 trillion and want to keep raising the debt ceiling so they can borrow more money.
And the guy saying "Enough" is the child?

Only in politics could that bizarre scenario exist.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 19836554)

I'll restate my response since you are so sensitive about me whining about slavery everyday.:1orglaugh

Restated : No one will cry out loud if the American government burnt down a newly created slave state in this country. We will cheer watching the slave state burn.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 19836584)

Are there people here trying to make the case for the civil war not being about slavery? Now you need to go see a head doctor.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19836437)

those quotes entirely show that the war was about the secession, not about slavery.

from those quotes-





the debate on this aspect of the war is long over. slavery was A big part of what led to seceeding, that attempt to suceed let to the northern aggression and the start of the civil war.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19836596)

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19836419)

Patriotic? Going to a couple of rallies to say fuck obama doesnt make one a patriot and its kind of an insult to the real patriots who died for this country.