The 20's crowd is the majority of our workforce.. healthy young people with few exceptions. So far, not a single person has signed up to our health insurance. I get reports on this weekly so if it changes and there is any kind of change to group enrollment I will report that.

You are right about the math DM.. the fine or a big monthly$$$ commitment for something they don't think they'll need.

I made a mistake on that reply..it's not a fine. It's another tax.:disgust

i also hope the gov didn't under-estimate the # of pre-existers that are going to flood the sytem and doctor's offices in 2014. i've been denied insurance for 30 years being self-employed with a pre-existing, i am going to take full fucking advantage of this access and get a lot of care that been neglected over decades. that is not going to be cheap for my insurance provider.

Sure sure. What was it the Boehner said after they shut down the government for two weeks? Two weeks of a our government shut down, billions of dollars tossed the drain trying to defund something that went all the way to the Supreme Court, and he tried to spin it as a win?

LOL.


Yeah, yeah, back to unemployement again. Unemployment went DOWN yet AGAIN. Yet you still find a reason to complain.

Wouldn't Obamacare fix this problem?

I don't know what this means. Certifying for benefits? Seems Cailfornians have no problems problem with the CA website.

Sure sure, Unemployment dropped again, Obama is an asshole, and Obama is taking credit for the "new jobs created" Sure sure.

It seems unemployment CONTINUES TO DROP so he is paying attention to job creation, and in the same sentence maybe if Republicans stop bitching like like little girls and fighting bills that are already law by taking them all the way to the supreme court maybe Congress would have more time to do something more constructive other than shutting down the government.

I am not too happy with the part about this being a requirement and being fined if you don't have it. However, I am forced to have homeowners insurance and car insurance, so I can live with it.

The entire point is... Everyone should be covered. The problem we have now is that too many people are not covered, and when they go to the hospital it's the people that have insurance that are covering those costs. It's making healthcare costs rise to the point where most people can't afford them. If someone gets shot and needs $200k of hospital bills and doesn't have insurance, guess who picks up the tab?

And what's the entire point is here.

Hawaii has a similar law and 92% of the people there are covered. Mass has something similar too, right?

The entire point of this is make sure that everyone has healthcare, and to make it affordable. I am guessing we won't know if it works for the next two or three years.

what's really going to sucks is if this program needs and gets delayed a year. that was what the whole government shutdown was over. imagine getting the shutdown and the year delay. yay government!

Do you think Obama built this site in the oval office? He is in the end responsible but it is hardly his personal issue that it does not wrk at this point.

We know that..he was too busy working on the spying software. The NBC news reports tonight that the Germans aren't happy with Obama now that they found out the US was ready their emails..

I love how countries pretend that they didn't already know this and that they don't do it themselves.

Mexico is pissed too
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...a-spying-email

It's his job to do exactly that, it's his law, it's his presidency. He is suppose to give a rats ass about it!!
He has the responsibility to do more than sign a bill into law and walk away from it.


Did you know that all the prisons are ready to sign up all the inmates to Obamacare and in LA, I hear commercials every morning pushing for Illegal Aliens getting on it too, Just needs a judge to say it's unconstitutional and there you go, bloated government and economic meltdown

Yes, it's his job to go over every line of HTML and PHP code and god only knows what else is being used. And he has to supervise the installation of all servers too, and hook them on himself.

Congress will just take another vacation, then try to drag the entire bill back into court again.

Sure, commercials are pushing for illegal aliens to get into it too. (In fact, that wouldn't be a bad idea - more people paying into the system instead of milking it.)

again, it would be a simple question-

update me on the status of my legacy/website.


it's his legacy, it's his show, it's his program he clinged to while the economy was taking a shit.

as is being proven, when your shit does not work, you get the blame. the reason for that is because it's your responsibility.

a president knows this
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/in.../a_560x375.jpg

You wouldn't have asked to see it..maybe kick the tires..take it for a test drive.
Have a meeting or two with the people actually tasked to get it done?
That's what the president does. Just in my little company I have to be sure that when we commit to a deadline it happens. I at least ask questions throughout the process.
I get status reports, if there are going to be issues I know about them before hand. I don't come up with lame excuses after the fact. If Obama was in the private sector and ran his business like this he wouldn't last 1 year.

It's basic management 101.

you mean you would not leave the success of your entire operation up to the database guy?

You would so wouldn't you?

But think about it just for a moment. I am sure that Obama had multiple meetings on this. But the website is just one small aspect of what the bill is. Do you think the website was really discussed for more than five minutes? At best he got a brief overview of how they planned to make it work. I'm pretty sure they Obama didn't review the types of servers used, or even which data center was going to be used.

Even if Obama got the full walk through, did he have enough experience to know how to make this work?

This is just like the IRS and the ATF crap mentioned in this thread. Does the IRS really brief the president on what groups has a high percentage of fraud? And how it investigates them? Does the ATF brief the President on operations before they start? Update them while they are ongoing? I mean, the entire Fast & Furious thing seems to have Vendzilla pretty upset even though it started and ran under Bush for two years.

Does the transportation department brief the president on road projects and the impacts they have all communities? Does the health department brief the president on changes on laws with selling meat?

Better yet... Why isn't the Congressional Science Committee get involved? I mean, other than the fact that Congress is controlled by the GOP and has no interest in seeing this working?

Do you see my point? The President doesn't have full knowledge of every aspect of every issue that every US government department is working on. He might know the basics, but again, do you really want Obama deciding what software to use? What servers to use?

Let me rephrase my answer...

When they put the fountain in at your business, did you have a discussion about about what kind of pipes they used? Or what kind of sealant they used? No, you hired someone to do the job, asked a handful of questions, and then let them do their job.

There is nothing you will say that will justify such shoddy management. This is his signature program. He has the total resource of the United States at his fingertips..
And the launch is a joke and no one is laughing.

I was out there everyday and not for a 5 second walk through. My fountain project is my signature on the building. I took pictures of every part of the project. I know what the pipes were made of, what the diameter is, what the GPM flow was, how high the water would rise.

When the pumps and the lights were turned on for the community 4th of July fire works that we hosted there it all worked. Like it was supposed to. It's how I manage a project that is important to me

edit: and while that project was going on, I still managed to run the business like I am being paid to do.

Haters gon' hate.

We get it Rochard, you're poor and jealous of Minte.

You know...I hate Republicans and I love President Black Jesus, but you are 100% right.

Congratulations!
You just voluntarily forfeited all of you and your families' individual privacy to the Federal Data Services Hub and signed away your families future rights to privacy!
BTW, did you read the terms that your willing slave info is now accessible to bureaucrats in Govt agencies ranging from the Internal Revenue Service to the Department of Homeland Security?

No longer will any of your intimate medical details be considered either private or protected :thumbsup
Don't worry tho, they really, truly and FOR REAL, CARE about you and as long as you promote Tyrannical Government they will take good care of you :thumbsup
A side note: Useful Idiots go last, but they always go.

That being said, I hope it wasn't a hack site you filled out!
But then, that wouldn't so bad, better to have your intimate info hacked than to voluntarily give it to a government that can disappear you :thumbsup

A true leader after selling this piece of crap to the American people should have asked, is it ready yet?
Apparently, that simple question was not asked, it's beneath Barry to give a shit
Now the democrats are putting together a bill to postpone the user sign up for a year, something the GOP wanted during the shut down, but Barry said no to.

I hope they do delay the mandatory signup requirement. It's clear that healthcare is a trainwreck that needs an overhaul. It would also go a long way in mending some fences in government that need mending.

The way this rolled out almost makes me wonder if it might have been planned as a way to let Obama delay it a while so he can save face with the public and maybe make some peace with republicans.

It's interesting to me that Bush is still responsible for everything bad that happens, six years after he leaves office, yet the current sitting president is so inept that he can't ensure his legacy policy gets carried out and implemented properly because he is "far too busy." Either Bush was some sort of wonder man or Obama really just sucks.

Can't have it both ways.

So you were able to micro manage one project that was directly in front you... Imagine that fountain was being built in another state.

Now multiple that times one hundred and sixty three departments, each of which has hundreds of projects or law enforcement issues, factor in that fifty percent of your work force hates you and swears they will spend the next twenty years trying to get that fountain removed from the property, not to mention they will fight you on every other project just because they can.

Now.... That's only one fourth of your job because you have to worry about the economy, the budget, the military, political issues (such as spending an entire day being nice to the President of Pakistan), then toss in any time there is a school shooting or other news worthy....

THEN factor in you have to update everyone in the US about every step, and that your haters will try to derail anything you ever do every chance they get.

Why in the world ANYONE would want to be president is beyond me.

How is it that you have excuse after excuse for Obama but jump on Bush whenever you can, and still claim to be bipartisan?

Say one bad thing about Obama. Try it. Let's hear it. Something real.

I'll start by giving something bad about Bush. The Iraq "war" was executed extremely poorly. I'm also going to note that this war was on the other side of the world and managed by a large group of other people. But according to your excuses for Obama, Bush should not be blamed at all. How could he possibly be expected to know what's going on or manage a war?!

I am not jealous of Minte in any way shape or form. I love it when other people succeed.

I live pretty well, I surely have no complaints.

Give me a 747 to travel back and forth, $600m, the entire weight of the US government and I would've gotten it done and it would've worked.

It's his signature achievement.. his name is on it.

If you accept excuses for failure then that's your issue. I don't accept excuses for failure that could have easily been avoided with some basic management skills.

why wouldn't the president take pride in his project? moreover, the website is the public face of the project, not just the interface to the functionality.

this could have been a shiny beacon of technology.

there are 20 people who post on gfy that could have built that site for way less money and in way less time.

they fucked up..bigtime

I am no longer bipartisan in any shape or form. It's not that I think the Democrats are right, but more of I think the Republicans are wrong - and I am stunned by their actions. This healthcare bill is the perfect example - we need some kind of healthcare overhaul, this is what was passed by Congress, and instead of supporting it they have spent the past three years trying EVERYTHING to kill it. This is a massive waste of time and resources; They just stopped the US Government for two weeks (and still FAILED to stop Obamacare). The Republican party needs to let this go into place, and then fix what's wrong.

I disagree with your assessment of the Iraq war. The Iraq war wasn't "executed extremely poorly", but instead was a massive success. It was a success on such a large scale that we had to STOP so supplies could catch up to the fighting. The US sent some 300k soldiers up against 400k Iraqis on their own turf - and beat them badly and quickly.

While I give Bush a lot of credit for this - for having the balls to do it in the first place - President Bush didn't have anything to do with designing the targeting software (Joint Time Sensitive Targeting Manager) that was a large part of that success. President Bush didn't have any input on the hardware or software or the servers used. That's not his job; That's the job of the people who designed the software and hardware.

Well, maybe if the President didn't have to spend the past three years defending the bill all the way up the Supreme Court, he could have spent more time writing the HTML code.

kinda like how he was defending it while neglecting the economic crisis of 1998+ ?

like that?

Or maybe if the president hadn't logged more airtime in airforce than any other president in history he would've found time to have daily meetings with real updates to the process.
Or maybe he could've found time to interview qualified people to actually do the job.

However, I can only smile when I listen to all the dumb excuses you have to give this guy a pass on his namesake legislation. Quite the legacy he will have..

I signed off on killing Bin Laden! My healthcare reform didn't quite go as I promised it would,,but what the hell..I am a nice guy..quite the legacy.

We as American taxpayers can be proud.

I don't think osama care makes any sense.. I think government should not be allowed to cause healthcare to cost 1000% of what it should, and then, care should be denied to fools who don't have coverage, at that point (when it would be affordable, as it should be).

All we have here is

1. Government inflates the good holy christ out of health care costs

2. As a result of #1 no one who is poor or normal (the masses) can afford health insurance

3. The government now wants to force everyone they can to buy health insurance to help feed the beast they have created

4. Fuck everyone because we're all too stupid to be alive if we've allowed our government to get away with 1/100th of what they currently get away with doing every day

5. They should all be on trial

Not to mention at all what it does to our economy when you keep fucking with business men. Make shit more expensive for them and dissuade them from doing business. That'll sure help. YaY Amerikka.

You mean all of Congress from 1998-2008. And President Bush. Right?