sure. i don't pick sides. we are talking about obamacare though and while the nation was on economic fire he was steadfastly stumping his healthcare plan.

Stop crying like a little baby.

Obama has logged more time airtime in Air Force One than any other president in history? You see this as being bad, and I see this as being good. He's doing his job.

Obama has spent less time on vacation than Bush.

Sure sure. Maybe the President should have interviewed everyone who on the website. What would that be, one hundred people? One thousand people?

Maybe President Bush should have spent more time interviewing the people in charge of the US Economy instead of watching is crash down to the ground.

Yet all Republicans are doing is bitching and crying like little babies. Maybe instead of spending four years trying to kill the healthcare law they should have invested some effort into fixing it. Yet still today they hold press conferences highlighting the issues, instead of offering solutions.

The Republican part isn't the solution, it's part of the problem. They don't want to fix it, they just want to add to the problem.

Why hasn't Congress called for a review by the Congressional Science Committee? Why aren't they stepping in and taking charge of this?

I can care less about Obama's legacy. Not fucking caring one bit. However, I really believe that ten years from now we'll look back at this and we'll have Obamcare or some version of it, and we'll feel stupid we even argued about it. We need healthcare reform one way or another. The Republicans failed to do it.

I have yet to see one negative aspect of Obamacare, while everyone I know will benefit from it. I have yet to see a downside.

If the Republicans weren't so fucking stupid they could have crushed Obama with this website... but man are they fucking stupid.

If they had not caused a pointless government shutdown the major news story this month would be all about this terrible website. But instead the pointless shutdown was the major story and the website glitches went unreported. If they had even waited two weeks and battled over the debt ceiling instead, they could have said "Look how bad the site is, look at all the problems, lets postpone this law at least a year" then could of campaigned for 2014 on the broken website.

Now they look bitter, their poll numbers are down across the board, and their attempts to undermine Obama care have no momentum outside of the party faithful.

Keep bitching about Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRS non scandals, and miss the prime oppurtunity to knock out Obama.......

"We Will Never Have The Elite, Smart People On Our Side" Rick Santorum

Exactly.

I am not all about Obamacare although I have yet to see a downside. I am not all about being a Democrat, but the mistakes made by the Republican party are HUGE and keep multiplying.

Obama was a little known Congressmen with a less than impressive track record. He got elected because of the economy. No matter where the truth is for blame with the economy then, the vast majority of people place blame on Bush - fairly or unfairly, he's going to be taking the blame. If the Republicans came up with a very strong candidate, they might have had a chance. McCain was "okay", a war hero and all that, but had a long term lack luster history in Congress. Palin just killed the deal. Romney was interesting, but by then the economy was turning around slowly and people were starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel and the majority of people wanted to "stay the course" - which is to be expected when things are looking slightly better.

Everyone agrees we need some kind of healthcare reform. We can debate about how to do it for the next four or eight years - or we can try to do something. The Republicans did everything to fight this - and have lost at every turn. Even if they win this battle four years from now, the end result will be eight years of the Republican party looking bad, eight years of failure, and no healthcare program - eight years and billions of dollars wasted. That wouldn't be a win at all; It would be a huge disaster at the expense of Americans. In simple terms, if you can't beat them, join them. The Republicans need to make this their own project and improve it. Instead of highlighting the problems with the website, they tried to blackmail the President while holding the American public hostage - You can't do this. It's childish, petty, and it made the Republican party look horrible.

The Republican party needs to spend less time trying to beat Obamacare, and more time doing the jobs they were elected to do.

Democrats too. The approval rate of Congress is at an all time low. I think ALL OF THEM from BOTH PARTIES should be REPLACED.

I think you're all idiots for debating this, at all.. as if either party is worth a fuck or as if we have any real choice or freedom any more. Go get some work done, go touch another human being, stop wasting time on this shit

Fact is more people will be kicked off of their current insurance by the end of the year than healthcare.gov will sign up in a year of actually working.

its funny in states with democratic govs it works. KY is signing up 1000 people a day. Hmmmmm.

Kentucky's site isn't healthcare.gov

Originally Posted by Rochard
Well, maybe if the President didn't have to spend the past three years defending the bill all the way up the Supreme Court, he could have spent more time writing the HTML code.

You are the cry baby in this thread..
But the interesting statement is that everyone you know will benefit from federal assistance.
No one I know needs or wants federal assistance.

I think I see things 90% your way. The only thing I don't see eye to eye with you on is looking out for the poor bastards who work full time and can't access health care. It's because of the government making it so ridiculously expensive. I am completely against the government intervening in order to fix what it is causing, or having them in control of anything.. I am no socialist... but what would you propose that we do for that type of person?

I have only had a normal person's job one time, for three months. But what I learned from that was that most hack employees at larger companies are purposely kept just a cunthair shy of 40hr weeks... they did that to me so I could not have any benefits. I would literally work 39.5hrs every week. You either swallow it, or no play for you.

So what is the solution? The masses allowed it to get to this point and they should just "take their medicine" and deal with what they have allowed to happen? Or, we should do something about people working full time and not having healthcare? Or ...

It's not an easy problem to deal with.. at all

And here I am debating it like everyone else now so I am just as stupid as the rest of you
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I'm not crying at all. The Republican party has been crying since the day Obama has been elected. And it's just really sad. At this point their only intention is to beat Obamacare, screw the rest. Their job is being a Congressman, not spending four years trying to beat a single bill.

Everyone I know benefits from this bill. Your friends are obviously different than your mine. I am guessing most of your friends are local business owners like yourself. I am guessing you don't have any friends who are single moms working as a cashier with no medical benefits.

Take a look at what they do in Hawaii and Massachusetts. They both have over 90% healthcare coverage.

Guess what they call it in Massaschusetts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massach...th_care_reform

I'm not against healthcare reform. It needed it 10 years ago.

I am strongly against the mandate, I don't like the fact that the government thinks they can oversee it when they prove time and time again they are basically incompetent.

The root causes of the high costs were ignored. No tort reform, not opening up interstate competition. This version of healthcare reform is nothing but another moneygrab. I read yesterday that one of the large carriers is florida realized it would not work for them and dumped 300,000 people that did have health insurance.

Lastly, I really didn't like they way the democrats installed it. All the backroom deals and arm twisting just to get their side to pass it. All that while the unemployment rate was at 9%+. It set the exact wrong tone for this administration. I said it 4 years ago when it passed that Obama will be on his heals his entire term because of it. He let Pelosi and Reid screw up his presidency.

The solution was to mandate steady and reasonable pricing from state to state on the costs of healthcare.

I'm all for all out government reform. Put them all on trial. It's suck a twisted messed up clusterfuck of fuckery at this point, there is no other answer. Until they're all on trial, nothing good can happen. The worst part is that they're as stupid as they are crooked. Taxing everything to death causes them to be able to steal LESS money because overtaxing everything causes less business to even happen.