Stop it , to much truth and their heads explode!!!:1orglaugh

You speak the truth. It is all about MONEY and the USA makes too much of it with the "war on drugs" to ever stop it! It's just profitable for so many!

From 1999-2010, the total U.S. prison population rose 18 percent, an increase largely reflected by the "drug war" and stringent sentencing guidelines, such as three strikes laws and mandatory minimum sentences.

However, total private prison populations exploded fivefold during this same time period, with federal private prison populations rising by 784 percent (as seen in the chart below complied by The Sentencing Project):


This stark rise in private prison populations is partially due to increased contracts granted at the state and federal levels to behemoth prison companies such as Correction Corporation of America (CCA) and the GEO Group. These companies claim - against available data - that they can run corrections facilities at lower costs.

However, whether such companies can save governments money is not the central issue. What's at issue here is the corrupt, immoral dynamic that fuels such contracts: the concept of treating inmates as commodities that must be grown for profit.

Take, for example, the offer CCA made in 2012 to 48 states:

We'll purchase and manage your jails, and in return you [the state] must promise to keep the jails at least 90 percent full.

Such contracts provide incentives for local law enforcement to increase incarceration rates, rather than decrease them. In some instances, private prisons are grown not because crime increases, but because police harvest criminals as though they are a crop that must be stocked on the local shelves.

Additionally, for-profit prison companies engage in intense lobbying efforts that have been tied to many of our nation's most stringent sentencing guidelines, and lobby hard against the decriminalization of things such as marijuana.

The financial motive to engage in such lobbying was clearly detailed in CCA's 2010 Annual Report (as prepared by The Sentencing Project):




Such financial incentives to stock corrections facilities naturally leads to widespread corruption. Evidence of such corruption surfaced when two Pennsylvania judges were found guilty of selling juveniles to private detention facilities for millions of dollars. The "kids for cash" scandal, in which innocent children who should not have been locked up were sold for set amounts to the detention facilities, is shocking and harrowing.

However, even more shocking and harrowing is the fact that we have allowed free market pursuits to infiltrate our system of justice, making such scandals possible. When prisoners become products, we no longer have a justice system. We have an illicit marketplace. We have a corral.

America has the highest rate of imprisonment in the world. And the private prison industry is a central driving force behind this. Add to this the staggering number of African-Americans locked up, and the private prison industry has essentially created a modern-day slave trade.

A trade that should never have been allowed to enter our criminal justice system in the first place.

http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/ti...ns-grew-784-10

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:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh No worries, no slurping cock over here.

That is the truth. And what's worse than that is, EVERY CUSTOMS AND NARCOTIC AGENT IN THE WORLD KNOWS THIS!!! Yet, when they get a tip for a single mule, all effort goes on them and they allow all the others to pass. IMHO, the drug network reaches far and deep and is corrupt to the core with government officials and narcotics agents involved. There simply isn't any other way it could work.

why exactly do you think the war on drugs goes on?

do you think it goes on because jonny law is breaking thru & soon there will not be a drug problem?

no. sober people know there is no end-game. the drug war has not died primarily because it has become an economic engine onto itself.

it has become a JOBS program & a source of unlimited funding for jonny law, very similar to the military industrial complex. who fights against spending for national security, or the scourge of drugs?

i simply question why people continue to roll the dice on a customs search when you can cross the border in places with no encumbrances.

There is a book called Killing Pablo which is about the hunt and ultimate killing of Pablo Escobar. Part of the book talks about him building up his empire. At the height of his power he was sending multiple jets full of drugs into the US. They didn't even care if one got caught because the other 10 didn't.

The same can be said with mules. The risk of sending them through the airport is actually less than having them try to cross the border and hike. There are a few reason. First, carrying that amount of drugs in your system is dangerous. The more you move around the more chance there is that something will break and kill the carried. Rafting across a river and hiking through the desert takes a good amount of physical activity. Second, unless they can get someone to meet up with the mule pretty quickly they are left on their own. Mexican border towns are often not safe and any number of things could happen to a person walking through the desert. You could fall and hurt yourself, get lost, get bit by a snake, get picked up by the police etc.

It is a much more streamlined process to just send them through the airport knowing a few might get caught, but most will not than to risk having them wandering all over the desert and hoping they make it to their destination.

And the "funny" thing is...it's all over coke and pot.

Shit that grows in the ground.
We could all be growing our own coca leaves and marijuana plants and there wouldn't be any "drug cartels" and violence.

Instead of buying a "5 hour energy" drink...I could just do what the Peruvian peasants do and chew on a coca leaf. lol

But with the policies we've been using so aggressively for the past 40 years? Cocaine and pot are fucking expensive as hell. Which make it a giant business. And a deadly one too.

I wonder how many people have actually overdosed and died on cocaine in a year as opposed to the number of people who were murdered over it (thanks to it being illegal).

Reminds me of "Alcohol Prohibition". That turned Chicago into a killing field and made the Mafia rich.

At least our politicians back then finally came to their senses and ended that prohibition after 14 long bloody years.
Our current crop of idiots are still going at it after decades.

What's that old definition of "insanity":
Doing the same thing over and over & expecting a different outcome.

Like you, I too believe the money being made and the profit of capitalizing off of a concept that was born in some closed door meeting along time ago, will never be put back into the bottle.
Here is where the rubber meets the street. Pool all the resources spent on keeping the "jobs" active , only this time, have them be the ones to help with the transportation and distribution of the once evil substance they swore to fight. A market would form over night, and it will take an army of individuals, on payroll, to make this sort of reborn market place to exist. So instead of wasting the tax payers money to shadow box the apocalypse, they would be generating more jobs with more avenues to bank from the proceeds generated. Win, Win for all sides. The black market would fall, human traffickers would no longer be needed, jails would close, people would finally be free to do what was once a natural born right, and the politicians would get the proceeds to keep funding what ever agenda flavor they may taste that night........But alas, you are correct, they are so simple and self absorbed, anything that has merit and understanding will never work, Cheers!

If we legalized all drugs and allowed them to be sold just like booze and cigarettes it would end most of the violence in this country immediately.

I think if we just took a fraction of what we spent on the drug war and applied it towards education and treatment for those who need or want it we would end up with fewer addicts, less violence and since we could grow and manufacture those drugs here and then tax them it would be good for the economy. We would actually have money coming in instead of going out.

Legalize times 50!
And this concept I suggest is quite similar to the "ABC" that was born from prohibition and is a government ran entity .......that makes serious bank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol..._control_state

They will just keep doing what they are doing.

They "educate" the public (propaganda) about how horrible drug use is.
The govt. predicted the damn apocalypse if pot were ever legal...then people saw Amsterdam (same thing with prostitution).

The govt. has figured out that if you just scare the shit out of people you can control them.

one thing u are missing is the economic cost of legal drugs. people that are hooked on coke or heroin are calling in sick to work. or robbing bodegas to generate funds for drug buys.

but overall i think u & i are on the same page. jonny is never gonna legalize; too many people make their livelihoods chasing down the pusher.

all im saying is that mules should grow some brain cells & get more creative in their transportation methods. trying to get thu customs is basically going to jail cause your dumb!

Robbie and DWB are dead on here too

the government NEEDS the drug trade...a very large portion of our economy depends on drugs being illegal its a very sad state that our once great country has come to this.

certain drugs really do make you wonder. when you see those meth heads "before & after" pics, its hard to say that chemical should be legal. it totally ruins people that get addicted.

it seems that sanity is creeping into the some politics cause pot is getting legalized on the state level. the feds will never give up the jobs, the careers that people build fighting drugs. but at least some states are starting to come around & see that some drugs are not killers.

Well, like I always said,only losers lose drugs;) and the users, well we smile when the day is bright!

Fun to discuss what could be a viable, economic solution for the whole twisted game. Stupid people should never try and open their minds eye, it would get messy, you are right. Shame thou, would be nice to use my mind and body they way I see fit. Simply because it was mine to do with what I feel right.

Methamphetamine is not what most of the bathtub crank you would read about, again, because it is illegal, people are making shit unpure:2 cents: Same goes with most of the chems

The majority of people addicted to heroin already get all they want anyway.

And just because something is no longer illegal doesn't mean that everybody is suddenly going to rush out to buy it.

Heroin was invented by the Bayer drug company and sold over the counter worldwide for years.
These days it's only called "heroin" when you buy it on the streets. When they give it to you in the hospital it's called "diamorphine"

As for cocaine...well, real cocaine (not other shit that people snort) is also already being used by anybody who wants to. And that includes a LOT of society around you. Doctors, lawyers, gov. officials, etc.

My thoughts are this: There ARE a tiny percentage of people in this world with addictive personalities. They kill themselves with anything. Most with alcohol. But pretty much ANYTHING.

But most people are capable of partying in a social atmosphere without becoming an addict. And they do that every weekend by the MILLIONS in this country.

Just like alcohol. Or any other recreational drug.

So no, I don't think that if coke were "legal"...that suddenly all those millions of people who already are doing it would become "addicts" or anything like that.

I'm pretty sure that the people who are addicted to anything are already fucking up their lives with or without the govt's consent.

And unfortunately, these stupid laws not only infringe on my personal freedom...but it makes tens of millions (maybe more, who knows?) of Americans "criminals" every day just by having a gram of coke to party on. :(

i wish i was one of the millions who can party. instead i am in that tiny percentage & even worse its just marijuana. peeple in my 12 steps call my drug light weight. but im not marketing my site just the same.

but im not here to preech; most people are not me. i simply wonder how, with 40 years of history, people keep trying to beat the customs man when so much of the country is wide open. answers suggest the probability of winning is sufficient to take the chance. not to me.

it would be nice that the govment will legalize but u know that in reality its never gonna happen & thats true cause of all the cop jobs the drug war creates. in light of these facts & the thing one can easily see on TV, i simply dont understand why anyone tries to sneak keys of coke thru an x-ray machine. may as well just knock on the prisons door & ask for entry.

Freedom of choice would allow the user to do as he or she sees fit???? That is witchcraft and you know it! That would mean, I could still run my profitable business that employs others that feel the same way, and still fuel the the government machine that took 14 grand this year alone, and still come home and love my wife and family, all well being a criminal???? What is this truth you speak.....lies all lies Love to sit and chat one day with you and the Misses, nothing but respect from what I have read and heard. Keep fighting the good fight

Cause they are angels sent from god!

Knock Knock Knock, we are here to take away your free forward thinking and may fuck your wife in the process, thanks for playing!

watch the BLOW movie and look how heart is ticking on border passing :D

BIG PAPPA!! :upsidedow:pimp

Wow...I didn't even think about the drone thing!

That's too funny! The govt. spending millions on sophisticated drones...meanwhile guys with RC quadcopters could be flying in kilos every minute of the day over the border. lol

One can only hope, i need a thread of freethinking to hold on to before I implode. Moving out soon...

We already have a law to deal with the 'drug problem', Darwinian law. Let people do what they want with their lives, including fucking them up and destroying them, there's no shortage of human beings on this planet.

I'd take one state/province, run electric fences around it and guard its borders with military, every person who's a fuck up and a danger or burden to society through their own doing, gets sent there. Let them figure out how to survive. New Mexico seems useless enough.

And to the bleeding heart liberals, they would have the opportunity to adopt/sponsor one or as many of the fuckups as they want if the thought of exiling them to Misfitland seems cruel to them - either take them into their lovely homes or provide them a home and food with their own money.

They have been using remote controlled quadrocopters to get drugs into prisons here for a while. Pretty clever thinking. It's always big news when the guards catch one. No doubt the same thing is being used to get drugs across every land border in the world.

:thumbsup

There are also alot of motion sensors. I used to hear on my police scanner "4011 Port 11 Hit". A Border Patrol guy would check it out and usually reply back "animal traffic or weather". The Border Patrol also drags areas to smooth it out. Then come back and look for footprints.

Not to mention the internal US checkpoints leaving any border town or border park. Sometimes they wave you through, Other times they have a dog checking everything. The Border Checkpoint on Interstate 10 East of El Paso has caught a few famous singers in their tour buses.

There are a ton of youtube internal checkpoint videos. The checkpoints aren't new, they have been there for years. Border areas are usually free trade areas where people can easily cross on either side to shop. And Mexican trucks can come into the US up to these points to drop off cargo. Checkpoints are there to people from taking advantage of that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WKiYpsQhZsI I bet these guys get pulled over down the street by Highway Patrol. Highway Patrol loves to stop people near border towns.

yea funny there hasn't been much talk about it

Not just drones....ultralights, catapults, compressed air canons have all been used successfully for years to get drugs across the tonnage of drugs that come across just the mexican border on a daily basis is staggering...all made profitable by continuing the war on drugs....the bad guys need the war to keep the prices up and to keep themselves in business and the other bad guys (the government) need the war to justify spending taxpayer money, there really are no good guys in this war, both sides are equally corrupt.

It is kind of small, but lots of cool stuff is the Border Patrol Museum in El Paso. They have examples of the different types of soles that people add to the bottom of their shoes. Sometimes they put carpet on them. They have a motorcycle with a huge muffler.

The coolest thing I have seen was the smugglers rigging a cart to ride the rafters below the bridge. Here is the story where a wheel broke and the cart got stuck.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Apr...rant%2C00.html

"You can't knock the ingenuity. It's there," Border Patrol spokesman Doug Mosier said.

And according to Texas border ranchers the FEDS may be participating in.

Hehe...Ssssshhhhhh :winkwink:

Hell yeah. Lots of money being made out there by LEO. Undercovers can sell drugs all day. Arrest the buyers, take their money, take their car, and then they make you pay a fine.

Don't do drugs. The only people that win is the government and lawyers.

JoshGirls, stop playing stupid, you know why people try to go through customs.

I'm surprised no one has bought up Portugal. The Portugese decriminalised all drugs in 2001. Drug possesion and use is technically illegal but it does not go through the justice system. Basically the user has to go to some counseling sessions, maybe gets referred to a GP or something like AA, and thats it. Trafficking and transportation are still criminal offenses though. In the 12 years since the change drug use has gone down. Drug related crime has gone down, rates of STD infections from drug use have gone down, overdoes rates have gone down... And the gov't has saved a shit ton of money.

"The data show that, judged by virtually every metric, the Portuguese decriminalization framework has been a resounding success. Within this success lie self-evident lessons that should guide drug policy debates around the world."
http://www.cato.org/publications/whi...-drug-policies

Wow...I didn't know that about Portugal. Probably because the media here in the U.S. won't report that.

Our media just reports pretty much what the govt. tells them to.

crazy that there is over 10 years of data proving that decrminilisation, education and harm minimisation works and zero tolerance policy is an abject failure and yet this data is completely ignored by governments the world over. While Australia does not have the manic hard on the US has for the drug war we are still closer the the US end of the spectrum than the Portugese one, and it is fucking stupid. It works, we know it works, we have the evidence...

Pigshit.