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well crawl it then

Seriously? As admirable with what AK is trying to do why should people bend over backwards to his demands?

Dude, do your due diligence and stop calling people out for something that they may have to internally investigate like you know EVERYTHING that is going on over there. Demanding somebody over there send you sensitive information? Why, because you said it in public on GFY?

Either do it right or don't do it at all.

Again, I'm 1000% behind your efforts, but when you make it look amateur? It looks more like bullying/name smearing rather than trying to get things resolved.

If that's the way they do business there? Comply. Report back as to your findings. Creating dialogue across the boards juts does nothing but ruin your own credibility.

Last time I checked, the cops don't argue with me online before they accuse me of a crime. They just show up and follow due process.

Do that, asshat. :2 cents: :thumbsup

EDIT: And for the record? Plugrush has been extremely solid with everything that they have to offer an affiliate. I have never waited more than 24 hours for a payment and their back end is transparent. When you deal with literally thousands of affiliates, some crap is bound to seep through. Don't ruin a great thing.

And this is why I love Harmon and would never mind to drop the soap in front of him! :thumbsup

STFU Harmon. If they answered their emails it wouldn't be on this board. Stick to funny gifs.

its time these motherfucking maggot adult ad networks that willfully conspire with tube sites and file lockers to monetize ILLEGAL content are castrated

its time to go after their merchant accounts and any other banking / financial infrastructure they rely on

Clueless.

Clueless.

Put up a funny picture. We are kind of busy but go ahead.

Will a sexy one do?
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Good work. Now you can call it a day champ and get yourself a snack.

If Plugrush had their house in order, if Plugrush responded to abuse reports then there would be no need for a thread.

The fact is there are a lot of pirate blogs, forums and direct download sites with Plugrush ads on them, way too many.

Every time a pirate sees another pirate using Plugrush they have the concept that Plugrush is a pirate friendly network reinforced and will copy that behaviour.

Plugrush harboured support on WJunction, a known pirate webmaster hangout. They might as well have advertised on BHW.

Responsible ad networks don't leave ads running for terminated publishers. No responsible ad network should want to even be associated with the idea that they support piracy, however leaving ads running on pirate sites does just that.

We have given Plugrush a chance to distance itself from piracy. It now remains to be seen what happens and what they do.

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I apologize, as I didn't read the entire thread. I picked up bits and pieces.

Plugrush is no longer in my signature. Sorry for the delayed response but I went back and read the entire thread and there seems to be inconsistencies as to the responses and outcomes.

I do however stand behind them in the fact that they do pay, and always on time. I run a gamut of blogs that just so happen to be legitimate traffic sources, hence my reasons for standing up for them.

I highly suggest they address this issue so I can support them once again. Until then, sorry guys. Links not taken down, but I can't honestly let everybody know that it's as great as I think it is.

Apologies to all motherfuckers involved.

Obligatory gay sex picture (gif)
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After discussing things with Thomas, we decided not to release our website list to you because this is not something we want to do, releasing publishers information. So go ahead and "crawl" and please submit a support ticket with all the findings you have, and we will go over every single domain you list and ban them accordingly.

There is no reason for either of us to continue posting in this thread, I believe everything is settled for the time being. If you want to continue posting, feel free to do so, but it will just be a waste of time that you could be using to be making the list of websites that we need to go over.

Like I have told you many times, we are more than willing to work with you, but from now on please e-mail me with the e-mail you have now for me.

Thanks.

Because the immediate blow would be probably pretty severe and cause a lot of problems. You're probably afraid at that fact at how large of a percentage of users that might be pirates, you said you weren't aware how many may be on your network.

Despite AK's thread here, there's no doubt he'd keep confidential any publisher information you may have.

Keep in mind that AK is aggressive, but he is reasonable, despite what you might think right now. He isn't just pointing you out at the moment, but exoclick as well.

Here's probably what's going to happen.
Juicy Ads - Fully compliant and responsive, there good.
Plugrush - Resistant but at least they are talking, could be more responsive and reasonable.
Exoclick - Is going to be in a world of hurt soon.

The playing field will be leveled.

People may be loyal to money but when money is pinched off they will be forced to rethink or shut down. Save yourself some trouble. :2 cents:

We'll be crawling and reporting via your abuse@ email address.

Until you agree to de-activate infringing publisher ad zones the matter is not settled and we'll keep this thread updated until your network becomes compliant.

Every time a pirate sees one of his buddies using Plugrush they will jump on the bandwagon and you will never be rid of the problem.

The only way to distance yourself from piracy is to outright reject it, the only plausible reason to keep ads running on pirate sites is to gain some benefit from doing so. I am guessing that the real reason is because you know there is a lot of traffic involved if you cut them all off.

You have our email address, you're welcome to come back to the table and discuss the matter at any time.

Please check your email and respond to me there, thanks.

oh but of course plugrush wants to take this private...

That was pretty much the gist of the last email.

I've made it clear to Plugrush that in order to become compliant that they will need to disable the ad-zones of infringing sites.

We'll be crawling and sending reports to them as detections are made, the ball is in their court now, it's up to them what they want to do.

My reason for not disabling the ads is that I see it as more beneficial to our industry if we try to direct surfers away from sites with pirated content instead of letting them be stuck at sites who give the product away. I understand that it would be easier for you if we disabled the adzones, but I think our industry would benefit more from it than you do. The more revenue we can generate by legitimate destinations the better.

We have no need to make a stance or statement about our view on piracy, and have no interest in actively fighting for the cause. We're in this to do business, and spend our energy on things that will help this industry generate more revenue, and get more people to buy porn. Others like you can get paid to fight. We accknowledge that piracy is a problem, but I disagree fundamentally on what the solution to it is. I don't think spending a lot of time, energy and funds to employ people to do a ton of manual work in order to police things is the way to keep this industry prosper. I think spending as little energy on that as possible and rather focusing on growing, being creative and comming up with better products is the way to go about things. I accept that you have a completely different view on it, but the fact that you are threatening to go after my company and payment processors and potentially ruin things for all our publishers and advertisers is pissing me off. You are spending your energy on completely wrong things, and are making a lot of other people do it as well.

We can probably figure out a compromise though, like us writing a html comment on disabled adzones with a message about it being disabled, and traffic not tracked, so you and other webmasters and pirates will see it, but the general surfer does not. This way we have met all your criterias.

We don't benefit from piracy by not tracking or getting paid for the traffic,
we don't let publishers benefit from it for the same reason,
You can see that we have disabled them,
surfer still get routed away from pirate sites,
Advertisers who have actual porn to promote gets free traffic and this industry grows.

Sounds fair?

our ticket system is custom built btw, so we haven't implemented email features yet. it's on the todo list though

Our criteria is that the ad zones are disabled.

Our position is clear. If the ad zones remain active then other pirates will form a view that Plugrush is a pirate friendly ad network. You will never rid yourself of the scourge that is piracy and neither will the industry.

Every time someone sees Plugrush on a site full of pirate content the natural conclusion is that Plugrush allows such sites. Only by disabling the ad zone do you send a message that piracy is not acceptable on the Plugrush network.

As I stated above, we will begin crawling and forwarding detections to abuse@. Then it's up to you how you choose to deal with it.

It's worth noting that not all of your ads direct surfers to pay sites, in fact many direct your surfers to things which have nothing to do with production content at all.

Examples:

http://www.justhookup.com
http://budbi.com
http://cams.camwithher.com

None of these steer the people looking at terabytes of content from file lockers to pay sites, in fact they just steer them to cams, dating sites etc. I've even seen pill ads on your network. Pill ads will not save the production content industry.

well, then you're showing that you are putting your own interest and agenda above what is good for the industry as a whole, not just the content production part. The more money we generate, the more we can spend on content production. Why should we make business decisions to satisfy you and your needs above what's good for all of us?

I've clearly stated why what we suggest is a better way to of doing it. I do not think that we promoting ourselves as a pirate friendly network by doing so. Any webmaster or pirate that will try to use us, will check out the source of our adzones and see the message. It's not like you can see that the adzone is from plugrush just by looking at it, and as you said, these pirates communicate via message boards, so I'm sure the word will spread quickly when they start noticing the message in the source.

Your arguments doesn't convince me that your way is better. So please give me a better reason, and I will consider it.

Piracy is bad for all of us. Especially when it's commercialised in the way file lockers are.

For every dollar of consumer discretionary spending spent buying a file locker membership that's one less dollar that could come the way of this industry.

As it is, pirates think Plugrush is fair game. On WJunction there are tutorials on using Plugrush when "sharing" porn.

http://www.wjunction.com/13-tutorial...ng-domain.html

You even replied to one thread in the Blackhat section of WJunction where people have pirate sites in their signatures!

http://www.wjunction.com/100-blackha...-plugrush.html


What other conclusion is there to draw ? It's not better to leave the ad zones working because others will come to the conclusion that Plugrush is a pirate friendly network.

No ?

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The better reason is because it's the right thing to do.

You're either with the pirates or against them, you can't be sitting on both sides of the fence. You also risk a situation occurring where advertisers of things like pills click to the fact that they will get pirate traffic for free, so will then foster it knowing that we will report it to you then you will shut accounts down but keep ads running in ad zones. You and the pill advertiser are still getting the click-throughs.

The only logical reason you could object to shutting down pirate ad zones is that you suspect that a large proportion of your traffic comes from them.

its time to go fucking NUCLEAR

merchant accounts, paypal, banking, ANYTHING financial etc that adult ad network parasites rely on

Since it's now okay to just ask for a list of companies' clients/customers with little legal grounds, I'd like to know who exactly empowered and thus asked COPY CONTROL PTY LIMITED to take these current actions?

We haven't asked for any such thing. Plugrush offered a list of publisher domains then withdrew the offer. It didn't matter to us much anyway as we can crawl them all easily.

All we have asked for is that pirate ad zones are disabled once an infringing site is reported to Plugrush.

lets also not forget about the USA federal bureau of investigation (FBI), interpol and other major nation state level law enforcement agencies

these fucking adult ad networks are willfully conspiring in the monetization of ILLEGAL content

!!! its time to take action !!!

Last I checked the list was offered nobody demanded it :2 cents:

Who do you represent?

A growing number of rights holders who are fed up with their content appearing on these same pirate blogs, forums and ddl sites that Plugrush ads are showing on.

Who are they? You know this info will come out at one point right?

I don't accept that disabling the adzone is a criteria. Your agenda is to stop these sites from benefiting from piracy. Our solution stops that, and that is all you can require of us. So that criteria has nothing to do with what your agenda is.
In my opinion we are helping this industry by doing it like we suggest, and I've also offered good solutions to make everyone accomplish what they want. If you are unwilling to compromise at all, or consider more than one solution to the problem, then so be it. Do what you want, I'm not worried about losing our payment processors. We can easily show them what we are doing in regards to piracy prevention, and those are really the only people we need to answer or prove anything to. I doubt they are gonna have the same criterias, so feel free to go ahead with your threats. I'm done..

Well, in defense of AK, disabling the adzone would at least show the SURFER they're on a site infringing people's rights. There is a whole generation of surfers that are not used to paying for anything. I doubt this generation ever will... I personally see ads on sites with doubtful content, that does make it somehow seem less infringing... A message instead of an ad would send a far stronger message to everybody compared to someone selling pills making a buck or two...

I see your point here and agree. Although, it doesn't really do much to make the whole situation right. Just slightly lessens the blow I suppose.

AK should change the name of the campaign to Stop File Lockers And Ad Networks He Deems To Be Dodgy. He always said this was SOLELY about file lockers when people pointed out more piracy happened on Usenet, or even people swopping hard drives (as the RIAA says).

Or maybe change the name to I AM ADULT KING I AM FUCKING AWESOME.

Agreed gunner... I also believe one needs to go after the problem. Pirates using ad networks is not the real problem, pirates hosting somewhere is not the real problem either... Going after ad networks or hosts might make things a little more difficult, but it's not solving the real problem. If people steal from others they should be hunted down and put to justice. The real problem though is that justice doesn't provide any means to do anything. A DMCA and a 'please don't do that until we catch you again' is all that can be done legally...

I agree that it would help send a message to surfers, and could probably educate them and might prevent a pirated download or two. But I don't see it as our responsibility as an ad network to do that. It's not our fight, and we don't believe it to be the best solution to the problem. Our suggested solution will help a lot more in getting surfers to pay for porn, regardless of whether they get educated or not. What counts is that they take out their credit cards..

What counts is that we get people to play it fair. I honestly believe you can't educate people to pay for something by showing them ads. I also believe going after the ad networks is not attacking the root of the problem.

Another shady company exposed.

So thats why he goes after the next best thing (hosts, ad networks etc that you mentioned). He can not go after "the problem" as you say because (as you say) there are no means.