it's funny how you point out that others pick and choose yet that is all that you do.

i've been open, i'd enjoy reading any study on the career paths of porn girls.


instead, you've characterized me as being the pick and choose guy.

Thanks! G'night!

Donny you seek attention on this forum. The reality is you just an board slut. You exploit Jenna in this thread just as the industry has for own gratification. You should be ashamed of yourself exploiting her so.

I have to agree that unfortunately many girls have there history in porn come back to haunt them, lose their jobs, get disowned by parents, etc. Personally I think has much less to do with their choice of career and a lot more to do with how fucked up your country is. This is just outright discrimination from a very religious and judgemental society. A great majority of the girls are very happy with what they are doing and then to have the wrath of those under religious delusional beliefs come down on them so hard is really criminal. I suspect that the European models in porn have less of this BS in their post porn lives due to the more secular and enlightened attitudes of their society.

While I hope my daughter doesn't end up in the porn business, if she does, that is her choice. Just as it is her choice to join the military, go to college, join the Peace Corps, or get married and start a family. All I can do is be the best parent I know how to be and hope she has enough common sense not to suck cock for a living.

Our lives are shaped by our choices, some good, some bad, but that's just how it goes. That's part of growing up and learning along the way. But lets be honest here, no one regrets what they are doing while they are making money. It's only after they lose it are they filled with regret.

Religion fucks up more people than porn ever will.

No one has ever blown people up cause Ron Jeremy told them to.

Anyway Capitan save a ho. its cause shes skint , get her on the god circuit like you, she'd make bank no? Enough sheep that would give her money to stop her turning to satan.

don't feed this freak to fill up his propaganda blog people.

Would I have a problem with my daughters being in porn: No

Would I have a problem with, and be distraught, if my daughters ended up with alcohol and/or drug problems: Absolutely

The problem here isn't Jenna's involvement past/present/future in porn. You speak of red herring arguments, yet do exactly the same when highlighting the 'problem' of porn :2 cents:

So why aren't you addressing the real problem - the people at HP, the police academies, the parents, the local companies, and so on, who are too blinkered in their views to realise sex isn't morally wrong, porn isn't morally wrong, but looking down on an adult who has done nothing morally or legally wrong *IS* morally wrong?

The 'problem' isn't caused by the talent in porn, it's 100% caused by those outside of porn. 100 fucking %

Why do some girls later in life feel bad? Because of cunts like you who batter them mentally into believing they made a 'wrong' choice, did something 'wrong' or 'bad' - it's YOU donny, and people who think like you - the self-righteous up their own ass shitstains - that cause 100% of any misery and suffering, so look in the fucking mirror.

Spot on :thumbsup

another question: A LOW LEVEL DISHONEST PRODUCER FINDS 'JEBUS' and starts stalking his GF after she dumps him, bad mouths the industry, gets arrested for interfering with a child.... and now starts stalking an internet porn forum... Just a li?l somethin? somethin? to consider? :2 cents:

Spot on :thumbsup

These cunts fail to see they are the direct 100% cause of any 'problem' these girls have

That question should be asked of Hewlett Packard, the police academy, the parents, the real estate agency and the rest.

I couldn't imagine being the kind of human being who would punish any person with the loss of their job over their sexuality.

Your main concern seems to be the terrible abuse these girls take after porn from those in powerful positions in society - why aren't you spending your energy and passion railing against them? Is that what Jesus Christ would have done had been a manager at Hewlett Packard or run a real estate agency? You know the answer to that one.

doh - didn't see that another poster had put the exact same question to you.

Lets explore some facts:

1) Donny needs attention. Desperately. His existence here has been about attention and all his behavior is attention seeking behavior. A great example is that he asks about a lyric to a rap song to identify the song and casually mentions his dead sibling dying on his own puke - though it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject/point/purpose of the question.

His exact quote:
Of course, what happened... many "hey man, sorry about your brother" posts which was likely to be the true intent.

2) Needing attention more often than not means needing a cause. After all, how are you going to get this attention without hurting others, breaking the law or actually working and building something or having talent other than just running your mouth?

3) Porn + religion is a great way to get this attention. Everyone wants to hear the story. Everyone in the audience has already bought into the narrative that porn is bad, women are exploited and abused and no one is expecting great speaking talent as much as they are there for the single motive of affirmation. A religious crowd is going to be more supportive and more accepting and more receptive as the attention is not earned through talent, you are simply speaking to a captive audience that has already bought into what you are saying, before you've said it. Think about that for a moment. Who is going to pay to hear someone with no talent speak? No one.

4) He's insecure. He wants to be seen as an authority on subjects (porn, religion etc etc etc). He'll quickly let you know how much he knows and how little you know. What do you speak about and who do you speak to, when you need to be viewed as an authority? A crowd of people that are eager to buy into what you are saying and have near zero capacity to challenge anything being said as its so far outside the realm of their daily life and experience and not something they are even qualified to comment on.

The "women are exploited" narrative is not something anyone is going to challenge outside of the industry, so its safe. The audience wants to buy into it, so its safe. How does he prove "women are exploited" - well, he tells you that's what they tell him. He is his own witness to "the truth" and the "facts" are only known to him.

And the real question... what is "exploitation"?

ex·ploi·ta·tion noun \ˌek-ˌsplȯi-ˈtā-shən\

EXPLOITATION

: an act or instance of exploiting <exploitation of natural resources> <exploitation of immigrant laborers> <clever exploitation of the system>

Definition of EXPLOIT

ex·ploit transitive verb \ik-ˈsplȯit, ˈek-ˌ\
: to get value or use from (something)

: to use (someone or something) in a way that helps you unfairly

A person wants money. They then approach you and say "i'll do XZY for agreeable compensation" They do it. They are compensated. And somehow that's rationalized as "exploiting" that person, though it clearly isn't.

The use of the word "exploited" is only necessary because it triggers a severe emotional response in all of us where we instantly reason that harm was done to another and is therefore, wrong (or immoral).

But what happens when you replace "exploited" with any other description of the transaction? I.e. "I paid that person for a job and they did the job" - oops! No inherent wrong. No harm done. Nothing to talk about and get much needed attention for.

You guys waste your time talking to a person thats every bit as damaged emotionally as those he purports to help. Where a model might hide behind drugs - he hides behind the Bible and a false sense of superiority.

As was pointed out... if the true goal was to do good and to truly help people who needed help, there are many many many groups of people that need immediate help and who face imminent danger right now. Of course, that's not the direction he chooses because after all, an attention whore can't get much attention through helping homeless children and drug addicts and truly making a difference. An attention whore, typically only seeks to get attention by through deceit, theatrics and feigned concern.

Mutt, this is pure justification. I'm sure you want to believe this crap, but deep inside you know it just doesn't ring true. I'll quote scripture, which I know many of you won't respect, but I firmly believe the author is right. Read this, especially the bold/italicized parts:

Yes, there's something different about sex. Which is why, like I said before, people can be found on a counselor's couch 50 years after some traumatic sexual experience. Some of the girls who used to work for me have told me they've attempted or contemplated suicide. If it really WAS "just sex," that wouldn't be the case. Deep inside, all of us know it's not "just sex," but we're so wrapped up in justifying ourselves that we stubbornly refuse to admit this fact.

And, Mutt, it is NOT the companies like HP, the Academy, etc with morality clauses that need to change. Morality clauses are pretty common, and becoming more-so all the time. Because people act like idiots and professional companies want professionals representing them. HP would also fire those involved in many of the videos that go viral these days, regardless of the lack of sexuality within them. A past that includes porn videos isn't the only thing getting people let go from professional companies.

Nobody is saying sexuality is wrong. Sexuality is beautiful. Porn takes the beauty out of it and twists it into something... not beautiful. The real thing is pretty amazing: the counterfeit - porn - is not.

Those of you saying you'd be okay with your daughter shooting porn are full of it. If you said you'd still support her no matter what she chose to do, I'd buy that. But there is no decent parent in the world who would truly wish their daughter to be gang-banged on camera and paid so little to allow such a thing.

There are many different causes with which one can be involved. If one person wants to save whales, another will say their time would be better spent trying to prevent the unborn from being killed. If one wanted to feed the homeless, another would say a more noble cause is to prevent animal cruelty. You're in no position to decide whether or not the cause in which I involve myself is valid, or whether or not my time could be better spent elsewhere.

But it's harder for you to make a living supporting those causes isn't it?

Again, we are back to making choices based on money. Sound familiar?

Like I posted in another thread, "never" is a long time and folks that use the word in that context (of what they would "never" do) are just fooling themselves.

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funny place for an argument like this... it's like going to a hemp fest and telling kids that God kills a kitten every time they lite a joint.

...always about the daughters, never about the sons... it seems women get more heat for the choices they make concerning their bodies than guys do... wonder why that is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution

men like women, and women know that. your God created us this way, supposedly in his own image... so ummm

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i posted this is another thread but hey why not..


people love to blame porn and other inanimate objects but they should be looking inside themselves to see why they are being drawn to such things. its not the porn's fault, its theirs. its a total cop-out. oh yes, just without that evil porn my marriage would of been perfect..bullshit. porn was just a vice used to satisfy something that was missing. the young guy is just looking at porn because he's horny. its far better than sexually harassing or even raping some poor female. true sex addicts have a mental affliction that no amount of talking will fix. its a problem that will never truly go away for them.

i don't get the whole 'if it was your daughter' scenario that is always brought up..of course no parents wants their kid doing porn. parents don't want their kids to do a lot of things that are going to do or try at some point in their lives. including many sexual things in private that no one besides who was there will know but they are going to do it. no one wants their kids to spend their lives working for minimum wage, making bad life decisions with relationships but millions are doing it. i don't get the point of that daughter argument. if our daughters didn't do any of the things we didn't want them to they would be virgins for life who lived in a bubble.

I don't make a living from speaking. I make a living doing internet marketing for auto dealers. Almost all the money that comes in from speaking is given away.

you chat shit. It isn't my place to 'allow' or 'not allow' a grown person, capable of, and having the absolute right to, their own decision, however 'bad' or 'wrong' *I* think it is. And that's the problem with religious cunts like you - you think you know better, when all you do is create the stigma & misery in the first place, run with it, feed on it, fuel it, and profit from it. Pure fucking evil :2 cents:

We are all in that position because you shove it in our faces. We are not coming to you... you repeatedly come here to push your views. Though your haughty attitude comes as no surprise, I think anyone can understand that actually saving lives and improving lives directly is far more helpful than trying to rack up speaking fees to speak to those who aren't affected at all where the only real purpose is for everyone to give themselves a congratulatory pat on the back in celebration of their own moral superiority.

Was Jesus trying to rescue animals? Or save humanity? Did he prioritize?

deal with your own deep seated misogyny and sex and body shame issues instead of continually vomiting them up on the world. if you can resolve those, you can be a real help to the world.

please show me in the gospels, in jesus' own words, the justification that sex is somehow sinful.

The money is porn was and is always BEHIND the camera.. I have no idea why she needs to get in front of it .. I guess her fuck u with playboy is preventing her from doing anything good company/production wise

stupid stupid stupid

Never have I claimed sex to be sinful. In fact, I've claimed the opposite. God's first command in scripture is to be fruitful and multiply. That has nothing to do with growing strawberries or doing algebra. Sex is a gift. Anything God loves that much will be twisted. Porn is a perfect illustration of that. It twists what was intended to be beautiful into something that isn't.

SO TRUE:thumbsup

you are a follower of jesus are you not? please answer my question. as a student of the bible show jesus' statements on sexuality.

implicit in your analysis is that the sexual act is dirty or to be ashamed of.

also you had a divorce did you not? Matthew 7:3.

The entire book of Song of Solomon is about sex. Read it. Sex isn't considered dirty.

Yep, I've had a divorce. I've done lots of things I shouldn't. Quoting that scripture is pointless, as you missed something: if you were looking for a "gotcha" moment you might want to ask if I've remarried.

where in the bible does is say porn isn't beautiful? or did you cunts make that part up as you went along? fuck off and die painfully you wanker, you have no idea how many people's lives have been destroyed by what your religion has arbitrarily decided is 'wrong', and the amount of lives destroyed by your collective witch hunt against those who don't agree with those arbitrary decisions.

Who decided porn is not beautiful? Who decided wanking was not beautiful? Who decided spunking your lot is not a beautiful act in and of itself? Sources please :thumbsup

TheSquealer in another thread wrote a series of posts detailing the role religion played in the evolution of man and civilization, lots of great insights but missing was that these monotheistic religions have been used for other purposes not beneficial to society and harmful and dangerous to millions. Religion appeals to some who know they don't amount to much in society, who crave the feeling of importance and superiority, religion is the quickest fix for that low self esteem itch. They instantly can convince themselves they are superior, although the kookiest of them will disingenuously tell every non-believer that they don't, that they are just regular people like everybody else while you can smell the delusions that they really believe they are 'Christ like'.

You have far more interest in projecting blame and guilt on others, winning debates with Ron Jeremy and adult webmasters to become some bastardized version of a celebrity than any real concern for the welfare of other peoples' daughters.

No complex system is perfect. Either it works overall, offers more benefits than negatives and endures, or it doesn't and quickly dies. Our body is an amazing piece of machinery. The fact that cancer exists and kills bodies, doesn't negate that fact.

I'm just curious... and it may have been asked already but...

Donny, what did you do with the money you made from porn?

Just so we are clear though,

You will use Jenna Jameson in one of your speeches as an example of the evils of porn. Fact is that you are clearly making money of your speaking (but you give it all away) and you will use Jenna Jameson's star power to attract a bigger audience$$$

Seems like your going to "use" Jenna to increase sales just like all the sleazy GFY members on this board.

And just a question, if you had a daughter in porn, would you make speeches about her in front of a group of paying customers, because if you wouldn't want it to happen to your daughter....

The New Testament and Church doctrine is much harsher on sex than the Old Testament, anything other than sex between husband and wife is immoral and a sin.

The Old Testament only forbids adultery and incest, absolutely nothing in the OT that makes pre-marital sex a sin and the famous Bible story about Onan and 'spilling your seed upon the ground' has NOTHING to do with masturbation, there is nothing in the OT that makes masturbation a sin. Rabbis took it upon themselves to create their own laws that made masturbation and sex before marriage a sin. Only Orthodox Jews continue to live by rabbincal laws.

And what will you say if religion ultimately causes the nuclear destruction of the Middle East and perhaps the entire world?

There must be a double standard for the guys in porn? So much talk about how porn destroys women, but never a peep about the male actors in the films.

same thing happens when a teacher is caught fucking a pupil :Oh crap

That after many millions of years of existence and evolution, a immeasurably small number of people finally managed to end life as we know it... That a single cancer cell finally killed the host.

Several generations ago the society was more protective of the female population. Gloria Steinem changed that. I believe that women have the same ability as men to make their life decisions. That being said, they have the same ability to bear the repercussions of those decisions.

who is Virginia Sums?

the other part of this is the fact that the general porn chick is being characterized as one who does triple anal atm facial froth gangbangs when in actually the % of chicks who do that is very low.

moreover, jenna never shot a scene like that. heck, she only shot waht, 25-30 bg hardcore scenes total.

Pigshit in every way,

If the above is true, doesn't that show that the real problem lies within society?

Firing someone from their job even if they are great at it, purely because they bared their naked body?

You have to admit, you are like a statistician who cherry picks data to push their own agenda :2 cents:

I am disappointed in you Kane...for the sretches you are trying to make.