I agree. Clinton rocked it. I like Obama and want him to succeed but he just lets the republicans walk all over him. The so-called "Nuclear option" has been there the whole time. Why they waited so long is something I just don't understand.

Watch the vids I posted above and Harry Reid and Obama will explain to you WHY they were AGAINST the nuclear option and why the filibuster has always been an important part of govt. since the beginning. They explain it in great detail.

Omg :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh come on man...

Dude, it has already been rolled out. It is a done deal. It is the law. Thats it!

You're wrong. Unemployment is going down and has been going down since Obama took office. In Jan '12 it was 8.7%. In October it was down to 7.2%.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit...mployment-rate

in November it was up to 7.3%, thanks to Fuck-head Boehner and the government shutdown.


(Who is Barry?)

And no, Republicans created the separation. Mitch McConnell, Senator from Kentucky and Turtle-face prick, set out to ruin Obama, try to make him a 1-term president. He and his fellow racists have blocked everything Obama has tried to do and refused to work with him on everything.

Someone needs a hug.

And if Obama did universal healthcare Vend would be calling him a communist. lol

The only way the Republican party will be the majority again is if the entire country turns into redneck racists or old rich white men. The demographics are definitely going in the opposite direction.

I know facts dont matter but its the gops fault this happened. They held up the nominee to head the fucking white house printing office. lol When their leader in the senate says my job is make Obama a one term president. They have held up more on Obama then any president in the history of the US.
Now of course cry, its obama's fault.

No, when republicans get elected based on this president being a kenyan communist marxist nazi tearing apart this country. They paint themselves in a corner. Can’t work with him if you want to get elected again. Fuck, they were made a big stink at the gov of nj for working with Obama to help his state. It has never ever been like this before and you know that.
Its obama's fault he wont work with us, funny this hyperleft president has had a few republicans in his cabinet. Your friends in the senate held up the nom of chuck hagel for sec of defense he is a republican. The republicans are for something, Obama says thats a good idea then they are against it.
24 Policies That Republicans Supported BEFORE They Were Against Them
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06...ans-supported/

huh? you do know that all republican proposals for health reform leave 10s of millions uninsured. how do you of all people attack obamacare for not covering people?

:helpme

PS - making those that dont need it pay for those that do? Thats the business model of the health insurance company - the healthy customers pay for the sick ones within the insurance pool. Thing is...the insurance company maximizes profit by minimizing expenses, AKA cancelling the coverage of the sickest people.

This basic economic fact is why i personally support a single payer system. I far prefer a hilary crony over gordon gekko making decisions on my health care financing.

i am unhappy with obamacare simply because it keeps gordon gekko insurance companies in business, & worse, still able to price gouge but now "taxpayer subsidies" cover that cost. absurd.

Now I heard that the census bureau messed with(lowered) the unemployment numbers last year the month before the election. If the public would've known then what they know now
Obama would've and should have been a one term president.

This guy fits the description of a politician perfectly..How do you know when a politician is lieing? When his lips are moving.

President transparent.:disgust

It doesn't matter which side. Right now it's the Republicans. When the Republicans own the White House, the Dems will be doing it.

It's just a crappy system and it prevents stuff from getting done.

50 nuclear weapons that are really just improvements to a broken senate.

Yet Democrats are busy writing bills to delay it
Actual unemployed is 21 million, official is 11 million

Thats the name Obama used most of his life, wake up!
LOL, you're funny, Who is the leader? The GOP offered several things they wanted to add to the healthcare bill and were turned down because Barry didn't need the GOP. Now he is whinning in every speech he gives about them, fuck that asshole


I'm good!
So you agree this isn't universal healthcare, thanx

Ok, so thanx for saying you don't like Obamacare and would rather see something else, I agree with you!!!

Who said it was? Your side screaming its socialism the gov take over of healthcare lol Its capitalism at it's finest actually.

its a lie http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...bs-report-rig/
You are smart, educated man, you are really that gullible? Or is it just the bullshit fits the narrative you created in your mind so you go with it?

and I do agree all politicians are full of shit, if they told the truth they couldn't get elected. We don't want the truth.

You support this lieing president..And have the nerve to call me gullible? The allegation that the numbers were manipulated came from a CNN interview a few nights ago.

And Tony. save your crap. At the end of the day I don't care even a little about what Obamacare costs. It's a tiny insignificant percentage of my income.
No matter how it plays out you and the others here that keep harping about how great obamacare is will be the losers.

A lot of us wanted single payer and were pissed when Obama did this compromise bullcrap to appease the do nothing congress, but we still see it as better than nothing which is what the republican plan is.

Obama, Reid & Pelosi did backroom deals and arm twisting to get the democrats to pass it.
They had the majority and didn't need republicans for any of it.

As opposed to Bush? Or the President before him? Or the one before that?

and how many died and wounded based on Bushes lies but thats ok.

this was in the same post

and I do agree all politicians are full of shit, if they told the truth they couldn't get elected. We don't want the truth.

Again it goes against that picture in your mind so even if it was said it doesnt matter. Got to post your talking points.

Capitalism
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Seems the state has a lot to do with it in controlling what the minimums for insurance are and that everyone that earns money has to pay into it.

We as a nation know that universal healthcare is what we want, we were not given that.

That's just the thing, should we settle for a bad law?

And you say the republicans had no plan, yet I keep hearing Obama's plan was based on Romney care, which is it?

The GOP has a plan, always did!

The GOP had several things they wanted to see in Obamacare, yet the President didn't need their help , so he ignored them. That's what caused the big divide in government, that and the over the top spending, and the wars created the Tea Party, people were sick of it. Bush and Obama created a need for people to speak out. If you think the President and the left whines about the Tea Party now, think what would happen if they had any leadership?

Remember this?...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=lO2d6LJI86I

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...67957517_n.jpg

Washington is chock-full of hypocrisy, no doubt. The difference is however, that as IDIOTIC as W's agenda was, the Dems let almost all of his retarded plans get through. They did not shut down the government and stop the wheels of America, just because they thought his plans were fucking terrible... although in hindsight, perhaps they should have.

Also, Obama was ACTUALLY ELECTED by the MAJORITY of the populace, twice, as opposed to W. who required Florida cronyism and the Supreme Court.

I can also post videos here, where McConnell wanted EXACTLY the same rule change that Reid enacted yesterday, when the R's had the majority. My video (just directly above this post), shows an egregious Republican rule change that cost the taxpayers billions of dollars and accomplished nothing, in an effort to prevent progress, as is the way of the GOP.

In addition, the "filibuster" has not "always been an important part of govt. since the beginning" as you say, as it is not even part of the constitution.

It's called "HYPOCRISY"...

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...01724586_n.jpg

1. That is because (as I stated) Bush is a leader. Yeah, so was Hitler. lol
But Obama is NOT a leader at all. That is why even thought the Democrat Party was up in arms (and rightfully so) over the 2000 election...he was able to charm them and negotiate with them and pretty much get his way with them. Clinton did the same thing to the Republican Congress. Obama is too aloof and arrogant. That is what I am saying. He's a horrible executive.

2. As for the filibuster. Yes, it has always been part of the procedures in Congress. And even BEFORE Congress. Google it up and educate yourself. Or better yet, just listen to what both Obama and Harry Reid say out of their own mouths about it being around since the beginning and what a bad idea it would be to get rid of it.

My personal feeling on the filibuster is that it should be kept. But NOT when it comes to Presidential appointees. When one party stops a presidential appointee (remember Robert Bork?), it is almost always POLITICS. The President has pissed off the opposing party bad enough that they want to punish him.

I think that's bullshit. Especially when so many positions need to be filled.

They should have "tweaked" the filibuster. Took it out of the equation for approving appointees and kept it for general legislation. Without the threat of the filibuster the minority party gets screwed. And so do the millions of people who voted for them. They no longer have that "ace in the hole" that compels most Presidents to negotiate (Obama being the exception because he never has negotiated).

I'm afraid that sooner of later you will see Harry Reid crying about the lack of a filibuster when the Republicans are eventually back in the majority again.

It was a dumb move in my opinion. Shortsighted to say the least and a last ditch attempt to give Obama some chance of pulling his failed Presidency (in my opinion) out of the shitter.
It could all have been avoided by a little give and take from Obama with the Republicans.

But as I said...he's no leader.

If you consider Bush "a leader" then I applaud Obama's leaderlessness, for disappointing you.

Just because someone IS a leader doesn't mean that they led us the right way. Hitler was a GREAT leader. But the things he led people to were horrific.

Get your head straight and realize what I am saying. Obama doesn't have the ability to get others to follow. It's just that simple. He himself is a follower. He's never been in "command" of anything until he became President.

And the results speak for themselves:
Reagan was able to get the Dem controlled Senate and House to work with him even though they HATED his guts.

Clinton was able to get the Republican Senate and House to work with him even though they HATED him so bad they threw his friends in jail, had him disbarred, and IMPEACHED him.

Bush was able to get the Democrats to work with him even though they bitterly HATED his fucking guts worse than any President in recent history.

That is what LEADERSHIP is about.

You can't quip about how you'll take Obama's inability to lead over Bush's leadership in one breath...and then complain about it and blame the minority party in the next.
You can't have it both ways.
Obama sucks as a President. He's an awesome campaigner. Might have even been a good Senator. But just horrible in the executive position.

But you are so hypnotized by your party affiliation that you can't even see that weakness in him.
To you, he seems to be damn near flawless. It's always somebody else's fault for every fuck up he makes.

That is the mistake I think you are making.
Even Bill Maher says all the time: "Remember, he's the President. Not your boyfriend"

But the thing with filibusters is that it's become bastardized into something that the minority can use to block something, without putting in the actual work. Despite Ted Cruz and Rand Paul being total douches, at least they had the nuts to stand up for hours and do it the way its supposed to be done. Because its so easy now to just say, "I'm filibustering this" -- so any Republican with an anti democrat agenda can be a raging obstructionist -- it's become an abused tactic that needs to be stopped. NOTHING is getting done because of these fuckwads, and they did this to themselves. It's great to stand up for what you believe in, but they actually have no problems with a lot of these appointees -- they just want to obstruct anything Obama does.

If they would have just used it occasionally, then the nuclear option wouldn't have happened.

I've never been a cheerleader for any of them. I liked some of them better than others.

This gang of Obama cheerleaders is almost creepy. I fail to comprehend how so many of you are right there to give this clown a pass. It's always someone elses(the republicans) fault.
Is Obama accountable for anything?

I love it when you say this.

The way we calculate unemployment has been the same since before you and I were born. Why do we suddenly need to change it?

Because you don't like it?

bronco67, that's why I said it should be tweaked. Not done away with. The Dems will rue the day when the tables are turned and they are the minority party and powerless.

And as for Obama...he has not shown the ability to reach across in the same way that Reagan, Clinton, and Bush did.

He's sort of like Bush Sr., floundering and ineffective.

The Dems have cut off their nose to spite their face by going "nuclear". Because eventually...they will be the minority party. And then Reid will be like McConnell is now...a minority leader with absolutely NO power at all.

That was never meant to be like that in our govt.

The Senate and Congress are not supposed to just rubber stamp what the President wants. They are supposed to threaten, cajole, and finally negotiate.

If you've followed the news and seen what the Obama admin has done over the past 5 years...they have not let the Republicans in on anything. No negotiating. No seat at the table, etc.

That's just bad leadership.

That is why Reagan, Clinton, and Bush DID get the other side to work with them.

Obama is just too aloof and arrogant and has no idea of how to be a leader.

And his faithful followers seem to just scream "racism" every time.
To me it's just amazing that they can't see the truth of the matter.

Obama has polarized Washington D.C.
Every vote now is a party line vote.
Bipartisanship is gone.

And the "left" blames the "right" for ALL of it.

I got news for you...I've been around a while. And my experience in life is:
It takes 2 to tango.

Obama has brought this on himself. Action and reaction.

He can scream "obstructionist" at Republicans all day long. But at the end of the day...HE is the President. HE is the one who is supposed to be the master negotiator and bring both parties together.

Instead he has pushed them further apart than any President in recent history.

It would be a blessing in disguise if nothing was actually getting done. You could rephrase and say nothing that's good for America is getting done.

Fix the roads and bridges, the infrastructure is crumbling. That would've been something I could applaud. And it would've put millions of people to work on something we really need.. All of us.

But no, lets fix..*and I use that term loosely* healthcare. Something that only a small percentage of people may or may not benefit from at the expense of the majority of the population.

Now that NBC,CBS & ABC are finally looking at this guy without the rose colored glasses, the tide is changing. The large majority of people are not in favor of this and it's not long until the midterm elections. A lot of democrats are worried..and they should be. If they listen to their constituents obamacare will be done.

The reason we have "Obama Cheerleaders" is simple - We hit rock bottom and we needed a hero, no matter who it was. It's not that Obama was / is great, it's more that the US population needed and wanted to believe in someone or something. Obama was a rather unimpressive senator who had accomplished very little in office but in the eyes of many he is a savior - Obama saved the masses from loosing their homes. If McCain won, most likely McCain would have been our hero.

It's not that Obama is great. It's just that Obama was the one who fixed it. It's not because Obama was special or better or smart; The key fix here was time and so long as the person in the Oval Office didn't fuck things up worse we would have had the same result.

You cannot deny that things are better with the economy. When Obama took office half the houses on my street were empty - exactly half. Now every last one is occupied again. Again, it's not that Obama was smart or a great leader, it was more that he was in the Oval Office when things got fixed. Anyone could have fixed them.

Is Obama accountable for anything? Frankly, no. We had hit rock bottom while a Republican was running the country. Vendzilla is bitching about unemployment again, but keeping mind that unemployment hit all time highs because of the recession which happened while Bush was in office. You can bitch about the deficit but the truth is the only reason it has increased is because the US Government had to spend it's way out of the recession... Which happened under President Bush.

Thankyou, that was a very good post. It's easy to forget how bad things were. I never really felt the recession at all. None of my friends or associates were seriously impacted. We didn't have the mass foreclosures here and in my neck of the woods no one lost their homes. We all bought new Mercedes and life went on like normal. Reading about it or seeing it on the news like I did, clearly isn't anything at all like actually living it.

You also realize that Republicans are against infrastructure spending, education spending -- any kind of spending?

For the record, I am NOT pro-Democrat - I am simply VERY anti-Republican. I can't stand the party, or ANYTHING they stand for. They are the party of nothing, and I laugh at those of you who support them, as if they gave a SHIT about you in any way whatsoever.

The system is broken, and it will not likely get any better.

When the next election comes around, you will likely have a nut-job anti-government Koch Brother Tea Party agent on one side vs an adamantly pro-Israel idiot on the other side.

Either one will start a war with Iran, and NOTHING good will come of it.

Obama has kept us out of this upcoming war so far, while fighting for better US healthcare. That alone, makes him one of the best presidents in our lifetime, and in 2016, you will wish we had someone as "leaderless" as Obama, as opposed to an idiot that will spark WWIII.

If the Republitards can get one worthwhile thing done before the next election, it will be to stop Hillary in advance of 2016, as it will be a disaster if she runs... whether she wins or loses.

When the choice becomes Netanyahu's little bitch vs an anti-American government Tea Party nitwit, we will be royally fucked, and you will look back at the "leaderless" Obama days, as the good times.

The republicans aren't against infrastructure investments. They are against deficit spending for infrastructure investments

The democrats could've and should've put their majority to better use when they had the chance. That additional $4t in debt they've racked would've gone a longggggggg way to rebuilding America.

I would've much rather seen the 20+ million people that weren't working back at a job. making a decent living wage. If that had happened the healthcare issue would've been insignificant.

Yeah its obamas fault lol The fucking head printer.

Consider William Boarman, whom Obama tapped to lead the Government Printing Office in 2010.

Boarman, a former printer, had headed the printing, publishing and media workers section of the Communications Workers of America union when he was nominated. He had advised the White House on choosing the next public printer ? as the head of the GPO is known ? before they offered him the nomination. He cleared the Senate Rules and Administration Committee unanimously in July 2010.

?I thought it was going to a cakewalk,? he said of the confirmation process.

But Boarman?s nomination failed to come up for a vote. (Roll Call reported that a senator had placed a hold on it.) Obama circumvented the delay by giving Boarman a recess appointment while the Senate was away in December, allowing him to take the post while the administration nominated him a second time.

As public printer, Boarman took steps to modernize the agency and cut its costs. He slashed bonuses ? ?which were being paid pretty liberally when I got there,? he said ? offered buyouts to workers and introduced the GPO?s first e-books.

Boarman?s recess appointment lasted only until the end of Congress?s current session, however.

Obama had nominated Boarman again in January 2011, but his nomination continued to languish in the Senate. As Roll Call first reported, Sens. Orrin Hatch of Utah and Johnny Isakson of Georgia, both Republicans, were holding up Boarman?s nomination because they were unhappy that a nominee to the National Labor Relations Board had not been confirmed by the Senate.

http://www.propublica.org/article/un...ts-go-unfilled