What the hell are you babbling about? Still drunk from last night..

i apologize mr robbie but to say obama never tries to work with republicans is inaccurate. just google obama meets with republicans & you will find no shortage of examples of the president making efforts to work with them. it started january 27,2009 to be exact.

its incongruent to place blame to obama for how republicans have treated him over 5 years. the republicans have their own leadership that makes their own decisions. so obama cant ultimately be responsible for their actions even if he is the prez. & anyone who follows the political winds knows that the repubs have only 1 agenda & that is to oppose everything obama wants, including their own healthcare plan, the individual mandate they invented before obama supported it.

the extreme nature of their obstructions, blocking a republican defense secretary? the printing office guy? Dems can take blame primarily for being so feckless & allowing this folly to persist as long as it has. But the extreme conduct of the GOP is why the filibuster died.

:2 cents:

Well, see all of you soon in porno heaven.

He's saying we are a consumer based economy, not a manufacturing based economy. Wall St doesn't go crazy anymore because Boeing signs a contract.. Wall st goes crazy when wallymart says they sold a lot of big screen TVs. It's been this way for a long time..

The problem is, large corporations have abused our tax system for years and the tax burden falls on the shoulders of the middle class meanwhile we have companies on the Fortune 500 that make billions yet pay zero taxes. Yet the workers wages have stayed stagnate for two decades.

The last job I worked in FL was for GM dealership back when I was 22 as a shop hand in their body shop. I was making 10/hr even back then I could barley live on that wage. I had bought a house at 21 and needed the extra money because my business new and not going great. It was actually easier for me to start a second business doing commercial cleaning than find a job that paid more than $10/hr.

Today I'm 41 and 20 years later, when I look at the CL jobs section for skilled labor you can't find a job that is offering over $10/hr. 20 fucking years later the wages in FL are still what they were when I was 21. That is fucking insane. Meanwhile businesses are making more, but they don't transfer that profit into more benefits or better pay for their employes.

The wages are left stagnate, the middle class is dying and the rich just toss their profits offshore or into investments.. That is what has killed the economy. Honestly this is one of the biggest reasons I've been self employed almost my entire life, because I could never actually afford to work for someone else.

We live in the era of, "It's not my fault, it's the other side's fault."

Well said and I was stone cold sober last night. I worked on the line for gm in 1984, they started me at $11 an hour and back then it was a good wage. Wages are flat and the middle class is fading away.

crockett, you are making my exact point.

The Repubs hated Clinton.

The Dems hated Bush.

Yet they both were able to sway the opposing party to do their bidding. It's called leadership.

Obama has failed miserably at it.

And it is fact that Obama has NOT reached out. JoshGirls pointed out that you can google up Obama meeting with Republicans and find some examples.

YES...I already said that in one of my posts. He meets with them once or twice when the govt. falls into crisis. But he does not meet with them weekly or speak on the phone with them constantly as his predecessors did.

He is a horrible executive. Congress are his PARTNERS.

Try running anything when you not only ignore your partners, but you shut them out of every decision. It will result in....gridlock.

Obama is the President. Other presidents were able to sway the other side (as you just pointed out).

There are only TWO answers here:
1. EVERY last Republican is a giant racist who is blocking Obama so he will fail because he is black.

2. Obama has shut out Republicans and pissed them off which is resulting in this behavior.

I believe it's the second option I just listed.

And by the way...I 100% agree with what Obama had John Kerry negotiate with Iran.
That kind of thing is exactly why I voted for Obama way back in 2008. I have believed we should STOP trying to boss other countries around AND reach out to our so-called "enemies".

The Republicans are already screaming about it and wanting to get Hawkish instead.
They are full of shit.
Giving Iran an opportunity to mend fences with the U.S. is the correct thing to do.

Robbie I'm not proving your point,you are ignoring mine and trying to twist it into something that favors what you want to see.

You said "partners" when has the right worked with Obama.. You seem to have a strange idea of what a partnership is, because you seem to think it's only one side of the partnership that has to give consession.

Even when you ignore the fact that Newt lies throughout this interview, the most poignant take-away is that he was a leader of the "obstructionist" movement, again, just like he was under Clinton. Newt is an American disease, disguised in an unassuming, smily Captain Kangaroo costume...



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You are comparing these two eras and blaming Obama???

Reagan and Tip were like peanut butter and jelly.

Obama got a full on assault by a snarling pack of frothing snapping vicious Hyenas.

i lolled...

yep i'm with you on this 100%. Trickle down & bush tax cuts & tarps & stimuli are all making the rich richer. With globalism & tech driven productivity advances, the capital gains has far more options than 30 years back. Capital builds factories in china instead of the USA now. Better margins for the shareholders, & mcjobs for the workers.

The answer to the globalism problem & wage stagnation is a sharp dose of populism. Sadly there is but 1 populist left in america: pat buchanon. Neither party comes even close to a populist platform. too busy taking that lobby money to do anything to upset the cash river that comes from the 1%.

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wow you were right on track there until you went off the fucking rails with your admiration of that right wing smear monger Pat Buchanon - you were kidding right?

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Obama has no hope to fix fractured America

By Michael Goodwin

November 24, 2013 | 5:58am


As he climbed the political heap, a young Barack Obama roused audiences with promises to unite the nation. He was a Senate candidate in 2004 when he told the Democratic national convention, ?There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. There is a United States of America.?

In 2007, he declared early in his presidential run that ?I don?t want to pit red America against blue America. I want to be the president of the United States of America.?

A year later, after he won the Iowa caucus, he promised, ?We are not a collection of red states and blue states. We are the United States of America.?

And on the November night in 2008 when he was elected president, he insisted his victory proved ?we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states. We are, and always will be, the United States of America.?

Oh, well, that was then. Reading those ?yes we can? speeches now is like gawking at museum relics. Obama?s promise to heal a polarized nation has proven to be as big a lie as his promise that you can keep your health insurance.

America is now so divided and demoralized that there is no hope Obama can fix it. As last week proved, he doesn?t even pretend to try any more.

On the same day that he supported his party?s move to neuter Republican power in the Senate by restricting the filibuster, 37 news organizations complained that the White House was acting like the haSoviet Union in manipulating public opinion.

Journalists argued that Obama aides block news photographers from official events, then use government workers to take pictures and videos of him for social-media sites.

?This is just like Tass,? a New York Times photographer told his paper, referring to the Soviet propaganda arm. ?It?s like government-controlled use of the public image of the president.?

Meanwhile, Obama met with a gaggle of far-left pundits to drum up support as he battles record-low polls.

The developments are snapshots in the collapse of a presidency.

More and more people are realizing that Obama?s idea of unity is that everybody must agree with him, and that he has no tolerance for those who don?t. Yet he haresponds to this awakening by hadigging himself deeper into a partisan hole. Step away from the shovel, Mr. President.

Historians, I believe, will conclude that his refusal to roll up his sleeves and honestly engage critics was a character flaw that morphed into a political strategy. Despite the flowery promises to unite the country, or maybe because of them, he boxed himself into a pose of being above politics. His aggrandizing self-regard and contempt for others leaves him incapable of routine compromise.

Confronted with problems, he hadefaults to one of two options: total domination or total surrender. The result is that he is a Caesar wannabe at home and a Chamberlain abroad. As he stiff-arms Republicans and most of the media, he seems ready to accept a nuclear-armed Iran.

Even as his support falls below 40 percent and a majority say they don?t trust him, he paints himself as the victim.

He defended his party?s decision to end the long Senate tradition of requiring 60 votes for most appointments by saying Republicans are determined to ?obstruct everything . . . Just to refight the results of an election.?

See, it?s all about him. Never mind that other presidents struggled with the same rules. Never mind that opponents, including some Democrats, have legitimate differences with him and want him to work harder to build a consensus for the good of the country.

And never mind his obvious hahypocrisy on changing the rules. In his first year in the Senate, with the GOP holding the majority, he warned that one-party rule would mean ?the bitterness and the gridlock will only get worse.?

That Barack Obama was a man to admire. He made history by promising to restore Americans? trust in each other and their government.

?I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree,? he vowed on election night in 2008.

Five years later, Americans finally are being honest with themselves.

They now realize that Barack Obama doesn?t exist anymore, if he ever did.






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So your guy's a lieing POtuS...what's the point. Some of us just saw it sooner than you.

If you think the Tax Payers are not going to cover most of the bill, on the new ACA, you are Blind!

Heh-heh...Sperbonzo posts an article that maps out Obama's record of failure.
Then he is answered by cartoons from Democrat loyalists that are just basically insulting the other side.

Just about what I've noticed since Obama has been President.

Everything he's done wrong has quickly been labeled a "non-story" drummed up by Republicans. That's right...somehow when Obama went on the David Letterman show and claimed that Benghazi was caused by a "shady guy" in California making a video...that was caused by Republicans! LOL!

And whenever there is a discussion of Obama on GFY...the Obama-Maniacs start frothing at the mouth and either start calling insulting names OR posting cartoons.

It's pretty funny to watch. Obama can do no wrong ever. He can lie, lie, lie...and it's all Bush's fault. lol

By the way, there's more coming on ObamaCare. I was watching Lou Dobbs show and it looks like the President himself read reports and signed off on them that said the website would not work AND a report that said people would NOT be able to keep their current health care. And he knew that while he was on the campaign trail saying the exact opposite.

He's a liar.

Look, this is purple...

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No, it is clearly red.

And so it goes....

well technically, occupy wall street was a populist movement, but its not around anymore. Pat is actually very critical of the republicans on economic policies & selling out our jobs to asia. but you have to read thru a lot of his xenophobia to find those golden nuggets.

in any case the dems should be the natural home of populism under the current climate. but all dems want to do is pass another unemployment extension, & do nothing else to address the structural issues causing job & wage stagnation.

sorry if pat offends you. i couldnt bring myself to say ralph nader is a populist. :winkwink:

But he did NOT HAVE SEX with that woman.... wait. wrong lie.:winkwink:

I don't blame Clinton for lying about that at all. What man in their right mind would admit to adultery?

But it's kind of important for the President to tell the American people the truth about things that are affecting them directly.

The health care disaster is one of those things.

When you consider how that lie ended up for Clinton, you can only wonder how this is going to go for Obama. I don't disagree that Clinton's blunder should've remained personal. But once it became public, he should've never gone on network television and lie to the nation.

Elizabeth Warren would make for a credible populist were she to run. Her positions and her history certainly fill the bill.

Unfortunately, her chances of ever getting into the White House are somewhere between slim and none.

And all you can hear from GOP is :Bengazi, Bengazi, Bengazi, Bengazi... what a bunch of morons.:helpme

you know i didnt think of her. your right, she would be a fabulous candidate. & i wouldnt count her out. Hilary brings a lot of baggage to the table now.

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