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cr_damian 12-06-2013 10:01 AM

tell them what rule they broke, not how you found out
 
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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 19896223)
Sorry to say this but anyone who works in Fraud will tell you that you NEVER EVER tell the webmaster how you caught them.

Never.

If you do, you are helping them improve their game.

I agree, telling them how you caught them is a bad idea. However so is not saying what rules did they brake and ignoring a public post in my opinion.
I don't come here much, but these are exactly the kind of threads I check gfy for. There's lot to be learned about a sponsor from seeing how they treat other affiliates.

Ben - AWEmpire 12-06-2013 10:56 AM

Hi there,

Since this is confidential, business related information excuse us but we will not share it on a public forum. We contacted the Webmaster in a private message.

Best regards

spiederman 12-06-2013 12:04 PM

Funny though, when he tried to get info himself he found himself talking to a wall

kristin 12-06-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cr_damian (Post 19898668)
I agree, telling them how you caught them is a bad idea. However so is not saying what rules did they brake and ignoring a public post in my opinion.
I don't come here much, but these are exactly the kind of threads I check gfy for. There's lot to be learned about a sponsor from seeing how they treat other affiliates.

You can tell a cheater from a real WM because on fraud accounts we don't tell the webmaster, we just shut down their account. If it's a true webmaster they hit you up. 99.9% of the time, we don't get hit up and know it's fraud. Last year, it was getting bad that the frauders were hitting us up asking why their account was shut down. Rather ballsy. Many times, we get notification from the processor, so they have already shut down their account on that end and won't allow joins to process. The processors don't give a lot of info as to why they think their account is fraud. Once you ask the frauder how the joins were generated so we can explain it to the processors, they go away.

So, it's a balancing act ...

Lichen 12-06-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben - AWEmpire (Post 19898748)
Hi there,

Since this is confidential, business related information excuse us but we will not share it on a public forum. We contacted the Webmaster in a private message.

Best regards

So is he a scammer?

whOaKemosabe 12-06-2013 01:13 PM

good luck getting paid

adultmobile 12-06-2013 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 19898831)
You can tell a cheater from a real WM because on fraud accounts we don't tell the webmaster, we just shut down their account. If it's a true webmaster they hit you up. 99.9% of the time, we don't get hit up and know it's fraud. Last year, it was getting bad that the frauders were hitting us up asking why their account was shut down. Rather ballsy.

Really, in my experience 50% of more of fraudster webmasters will hit you up to ask more info and play like they're innocent.
When new affiliate gets signups, the fraud dept checks it, then write an email to new affiliates with strange performance, just to ask more info. I just wrote to one who is doing a $80 pps signup every 8 hits, which could be real since sent very few hits from a cam site review site.
However when the fraud was super obvious, in the past I was simply shutting down "he will figure we busted him", but then 70% of frausters hit up. Then, is easier to write an email at every shut down, even when it is a super sure fraud.
Further, if if you only write "your signups is fraud/you made it yourself, pls stop and go doing this elsewhere", then most of them will reply, saying is not fraud, and I have no proof. Some threat that will write bad reviews in forums, of couse if forum is blackhat, that's not an issue, but GFY it would :)
So the standard email I send, always include some minimal info, for example: "all the signups you made come from proxy/vpn, example. xxx.xxx.xxx - please read instructions page, we do not allow signups mostly from proxy/vpn. Please send no more, we can't work with you, sorry".
Such a letter does NOT implies he signed up himself or this is a fraud (he can not take offense, can him?), and does not tell all the info (http referers, ratio etc.), still we give the guy one excuse why he breach the tos and we can't work with him.

On a side note, some carders are especially funny. More than one, proposed me: "we can cooperate, I submit there cards and we share 50/50". Obviously some of those carders does not know how merchant account and chargeback works. And some are persistent - another indonesian one who was returning many times (despite I wrote him many times to stop, and he could see I closed his accounts every time anyway), finally bored me enough, so I checked what passwords he used to create accounts, and used them to enter his own emails and messengers. There his stolen credit cards provider was online, and I sent him to hell in indonesian language. He no more returned.

Never understimate the fraudsters.

adultmobile 12-06-2013 05:18 PM

Update: some fraudsters do not read email often. I emailed one right before my previous post here. Now I go check again, he continue doing carding signups, did not read mail or check stats page yet. Ok, busy doing fake accounts, switching proxies, I can understand didn't check mail often.
So I redirected his proxy IP's to the FBI cybercrime home page. Had to ban the IP's anyway, best is to redirect to a scary page, so no doubt this is not accidental.

Something only the legitimate webmasters do, is "forgetting" to setup pay mode or ask for it, up to $1000+ amount or 1 year+ wait time. I often go to email them asking if they want the money, even check whois of their site to find other emails or contact means.
The fraudsters always hurry to be paid instead - some even contact beforehand asking payment methods (with fake skype id's, always USA flag/nation set) in order to be ready for quickest payment after signups.

This fraud check part of the job it is a little boring, if you ask me, wheter or not these anonymous trolls do drama in forums. Replying to hateful support request of camgirl in menstrual period days it is preferable, at least you know who they are and do not hide.

InfoGuy 12-08-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19899006)
I checked what passwords he used to create accounts, and used them to enter his own emails and messengers.

Unauthorized access to computer networks is considered hacking and may be illegal depending on where you live.

Jonny69 12-17-2013 05:44 AM

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adultmobile 12-17-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by InfoGuy (Post 19901074)
Unauthorized access to computer networks is considered hacking and may be illegal depending on where you live.

Will be interesting a carder using proxies will sue the site he carded for entering his fake email, anyway you have a point.

sciweb 12-20-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by money biz (Post 19892413)
I wouldnt make a whitelabel because you don't even have to conferm email. When customer sees chaturbate all over a girls profile, hears them talking about it ect they going to go signup to chaturbate and you loose money.

I dont understand your logic here. Wouldn't that then apply to every type of affiliate content of banners for instance? They all have the sites they are promoting all over them. Youre saying it wouldnt work when its being done with other types of content? I would assume its just the way you market the material. If you place a banner ad for chaturbate or your whitelabel site mixed with say.... Interracial DP's, then yeah... you will get no conversions. Im kind of new but this is just an assumption of mine I could be wrong.

Why dont you just throw up a website, do some illegal shit with content to hide names of other providers, and then complain like this guy who left out the details of what he did. If there is atleast some people getting paid properly from a network, then Im sure the affiliate is the one doing grimey shit. Then again, i have not made nor lost 6k so I dont know...

Stephen 12-21-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaster (Post 19896455)
many sponsors will still claim they're doing these numbers when they try to get you as an affiliate, but when someone achieves this, they don't trust it :1orglaugh

This should be the standard copy-n-paste reply to many such threads... :upsidedow

xpimp 01-01-2014 08:05 AM

gosh, so many horror stories, you don't know who to believe anymore these days


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