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potter 12-28-2013 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Why (Post 19914954)
this thread makes me laugh for a number of reason.
so much of this

Klen 12-28-2013 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by vvvvv (Post 19923853)
Maybe you should lift the thumbs that seem to work in plug rush and create your own ads and your own landing pages. Cut out the middle men and make all of the cash.
That would be nice but it's hard to make it work - the reason why traffic brokers always beat direct selling is beacuse a buyer then have a choice between tons of sellers and not just one.Even manwich which does have it's own traffic selling site uses traffic brokers.

GirlsOnYou 12-28-2013 09:48 AM
One of my sites got penalized as well for the same reason and I removed their widgets and submitted a reconsideration request.

mightyjoe 12-29-2013 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by GirlsOnYou (Post 19925332)
One of my sites got penalized as well for the same reason and I removed their widgets and submitted a reconsideration request.
I told you. Now google responded? My 3 sites are still penalized and its been 27 days after I request a review. :mad:

GirlsOnYou 12-29-2013 07:55 AM
no mightyjoe I just submitted the request yesterday.. no response yet and after the changes the site is still deindexed. It's not a high revenue site that's why it took me a long while to even notice it had a problem.

RegUser 12-29-2013 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mightyjoe (Post 19926089)
I told you. Now google responded? My 3 sites are still penalized and its been 27 days after I request a review. :mad:
I have a sneaky feeling that google is taking long time deliberately to raise the stink as high as possible. There is a very good chance that some of the sites they have deindexed will never leave penalty jail.
Time to move on and make more sites.
In the end its game over for mobile redirects and the revenue it brought.

Forkbeard 01-08-2014 09:55 AM
Time for an update. I lost one of my sites completely out of the Google index on Decemb er 3 or so during the great Plugrush massacre to the "sneaky redirects" manual action. I discovered it about a week later. For reference I'm concluding this post by quoting my first post in this thread from early December, but the TL;DR is "Old blog, ultra clean, had a Plugrush widget for plugs-trading only, never used mobile redirects."

What I did next was to file a long, polite, well-written good-English reconsideration request with Google, explaining that my site is clean, that I was aware PlugRush was a problem for many webmasters because of mobile redirects, but that I never used that "feature" and as far as I could tell after careful study neither my PlugRush widget nor anything else on my site was redirecting anybody, sneakily or not. Sadly I did not keep a copy of the request to share here.

Filed that on December 11. Today my site is back in the index. There's a January 7 (yesterday) machine generated response to my reconsideration request in Webmaster Tools, with the money paragraph being:

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Previously the webspam team had taken action on your site because we believed it violated our quality guidelines. After reviewing your reconsideration request, we have revoked this action.
Note well: I was stubborn and filed my reconsideration request WITHOUT REMOVING MY PLUGRUSH WIDGET.

My takeaway on this is that Google was indeed cheesed off by the Plugrush mobile redirects (which makes perfect sense) but that they turned the dial a little too far to the left and accidentally banned a bunch of sites showing Plugrush code that wasn't doing the redirects. As far as I know, I'm the first person to report getting the manual action lifted while retaining non-redirecting Plugrush widgets. I thought people would like to know that it can happen.

My post from earlier in this thread, for details and reference:

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Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 19904659)
Here's a data point. I've got a 10-year-old blog that's ultra clean, no redirects, popups, automated traffic trades, or anything sleazier than old-fashioned manual link exchanges. Advertising is affiliate links, JuicyAds banners for years, and (starting fairly recently, maybe a year?) one little block of 4 plugs from PlugRush.

Had a surfer notice I was vanished from the index, asked me what was up. I checked, and sure enough, the search for "blog name" that used to return at #1 no longer returns at all in the first 10 pages.

Logged into Webmaster Tools, checked the Manual Actions page. Sure enough, I've got a sitewide "Cloaking and/or Sneaky Redirects" manual action listed. Ouch!

My PlugRush is supposed to have mobile redirects disabled (they've never made any sense to me, why would you piss off a daily repeat visitor you could advertise to yourself for years by sending him forcibly away the first time he gets on the internet on his shiny new smartphone?) so I logged in and checked. Mobile redirects box is unchecked for that adzone, as it should be.

So. I have Plugrush on my site, I never used mobile redirects, I got the sitewide cloaking/sneaky-redirects manual action, and I don't know why. (When I "Fetch as Google" using mobile useragents, everything looks fine.)

Is this enough to point the finger at Plugrush? No. But I gotta be suspicious. I suppose it could be JuicyAds, but I trust Jay quite a bit more than I do the unknown-to-me Plugrush guys. (And no, I never sold my mobile traffic to Juicy, either.)

So, no conclusions. But I'm throwing this data point out for the benefit of anybody else who is trying to figure out the pattern based on accounts in this thread and elsewhere.

Icy 01-08-2014 10:39 AM
I think at this point it's pretty clear that the issue is not Plugrush or their owners, because they were doing anything specially wrong or unethical as some suggested. They are stand up guys and one of the most fast growing networks in the last year imho. The issue is that Google is starting to ban mobile redirects in general when they go to a totally different site/domain/content.

It happened to sites using Plugrush as it could happen to any other site redirecting their mobile surfers to advertising directly. As the Google spider sees a different domain/site/content than the new Google smartphone spider, and specially a new domain on each visit, as that is the nature of standard redirects in ad networks.

Notice also how the Google webmaster tools have a new tab named "Smartphone URL errors" that also proves that something new is going on related to mobile.

Straight mobile redirects to advertising have been really profitable for the last 3 years, however it had an set end date, the day Google started to ban sites doing it and that day has come and again it is not specially related to an ad network in particular but to the way of doing it. It is still profitable but at a risk, its not SEO safe anymore.

We have developed and tested a new way of redirecting over the last year on several top 1000 Alexa sites, that is SEO friendly while giving you around 80% of the revenue of old style redirects. We looked ahead and prepared for this day at the cost of maybe not being as competitive as other mobile programs, but that is for another thread.

tornell 01-08-2014 10:48 AM
why ? :)

Forkbeard 01-08-2014 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Icy (Post 19938049)
I think at this point it's pretty clear that the issue is not Plugrush or their owners, because they were doing anything specially wrong or unethical as some suggested. They are stand up guys and one of the most fast growing networks in the last year imho. The issue is that Google is starting to ban mobile redirects in general when they go to a totally different site/domain/content.
I agree with your points about Plugrush, and with the bans for sites doing mobile redirect.

However the "issue" for at least some webmasters is that they got the bans in error, for having PlugRush widgets on site that did not do mobile redirects. That's most likely an overzealous technical error on the Google side.

leonte 01-09-2014 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Ruriko (Post 19895282)
that's so weird my plugrush had mobile redirects disabled and google still claims it's cloaking/redirect
That mean is not from plugrush!

leonte 01-09-2014 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dunhill (Post 19895370)
The good news are that is December and reconsideration requests will be processed faster, but I doubt that most of the sites will be reindexed since they also skim the traffic or opens popunders. The truth is that users landing from google wants to see the content that they are searching for, instead they are taken to a different page(cloaking).
Dude. Big sites use popunders....what-s wrong with that?

livexxx 01-09-2014 03:50 PM
why does anyone handover their site to another company? what trust !!!

oppoten 01-09-2014 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by livexxx (Post 19940086)
why does anyone handover their site to another company? what trust !!!
what you mean google :winkwink:

RegUser 01-09-2014 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Icy (Post 19938049)
I think at this point it's pretty clear that the issue is not Plugrush or their owners, because they were doing anything specially wrong or unethical as some suggested. They are stand up guys and one of the most fast growing networks in the last year imho. The issue is that Google is starting to ban mobile redirects in general when they go to a totally different site/domain/content.

It happened to sites using Plugrush as it could happen to any other site redirecting their mobile surfers to advertising directly. As the Google spider sees a different domain/site/content than the new Google smartphone spider, and specially a new domain on each visit, as that is the nature of standard redirects in ad networks.

Notice also how the Google webmaster tools have a new tab named "Smartphone URL errors" that also proves that something new is going on related to mobile.

Straight mobile redirects to advertising have been really profitable for the last 3 years, however it had an set end date, the day Google started to ban sites doing it and that day has come and again it is not specially related to an ad network in particular but to the way of doing it. It is still profitable but at a risk, its not SEO safe anymore.

We have developed and tested a new way of redirecting over the last year on several top 1000 Alexa sites, that is SEO friendly while giving you around 80% of the revenue of old style redirects. We looked ahead and prepared for this day at the cost of maybe not being as competitive as other mobile programs, but that is for another thread.
then the wasy way out could be to create a mobile site, redirect all mobile users to that site and then place ads on that site. This means no mobile redirects from plugrush though unless one can invoke plugrush mobile redirect ONLY when one clicks on the ads.

AWSUM.me 01-13-2014 02:47 AM
^ It's not that easy - the way google sees the things in 2014 is that the mobile site should be the same as the desktop one + the responsive.css specific for mobile.

Anyway, a lot of talks about PR but nothing about alternatives. Are they any good alternatives where I can sell my mobile traffic and don't get penalized again?

My penalty got removed yesterday after 3 reconsideration request and new mobile sites version created to make google happy and confident that I've changed my mind when it comes for mobile redirects... not!

The Hun 01-13-2014 02:58 AM
Ok, it's easy... Google wants to send people to sites that match the keywords people typed in. It's a pain in the ass for them that there are sites out there that use all kinds of tricks to make them look like they are relevant search results, when in fact they're redirecting mobile users and use iframes showing content that half the internet is showing as well.

I say: good for google

To the people being angry at google: I'm sure you all did a search for 'lifting google ban' or something. How would you rate google if you were getting redirected or only found sites that would jerk you around until finally you were annoyed into paying for information that turned out to be not exactly what you were looking for... Would suck, right... Think about that.

RegUser 01-13-2014 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AWSUM.me (Post 19943108)
^ It's not that easy - the way google sees the things in 2014 is that the mobile site should be the same as the desktop one + the responsive.css specific for mobile.

Anyway, a lot of talks about PR but nothing about alternatives. Are they any good alternatives where I can sell my mobile traffic and don't get penalized again?

My penalty got removed yesterday after 3 reconsideration request and new mobile sites version created to make google happy and confident that I've changed my mind when it comes for mobile redirects... not!
you didnt understand me.
What I meant was that one should create amobile version of desktop site. Then put some plugs/ads whatever on it. When a user clicks on them, mobile rediect takes over.
This should satisfy google bot fine

RegUser 01-13-2014 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by The Hun (Post 19943114)
Ok, it's easy... Google wants to send people to sites that match the keywords people typed in. It's a pain in the ass for them that there are sites out there that use all kinds of tricks to make them look like they are relevant search results, when in fact they're redirecting mobile users and use iframes showing content that half the internet is showing as well.

I say: good for google

To the people being angry at google: I'm sure you all did a search for 'lifting google ban' or something. How would you rate google if you were getting redirected or only found sites that would jerk you around until finally you were annoyed into paying for information that turned out to be not exactly what you were looking for... Would suck, right... Think about that.
in an ideal world yeas but alas this aint so.
Take a look at smartcj based websites. They all redirect users to something totally unexpected and different that original target when one clicks on a video thumb. One has to click several times to see the same video, otherwise one gets redirected everytime during first 4/5 clicks.
And guess what
Google loves these sites, they are not just on first page but often even the very first website on search results.
And they display plugrusg widgets too

Klen 01-13-2014 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RegUser (Post 19943174)
in an ideal world yeas but alas this aint so.
Take a look at smartcj based websites. They all redirect users to something totally unexpected and different that original target when one clicks on a video thumb. One has to click several times to see the same video, otherwise one gets redirected everytime during first 4/5 clicks.
And guess what
Google loves these sites, they are not just on first page but often even the very first website on search results.
And they display plugrusg widgets too
Yep that is correct tho better say it would be "trade powered sites" or "sites which skim their traffic".Google will never be against that,maybe it will be counted as negative score but never as something critical what would cause penality like de-indexed.

The Hun 01-13-2014 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RegUser (Post 19943174)
in an ideal world yeas but alas this aint so.
Take a look at smartcj based websites. They all redirect users to something totally unexpected and different that original target when one clicks on a video thumb. One has to click several times to see the same video, otherwise one gets redirected everytime during first 4/5 clicks.
And guess what
Google loves these sites, they are not just on first page but often even the very first website on search results.
And they display plugrusg widgets too
You don't seem to get that google's target is to make the most in advertising, they do that by giving people what they're looking for. Google doesn't care the least about what you make. Their goal is not to make you money, it's their goal to make money themselves.

A user that is looking for A and that's constantly redirected to B or C or SMURF or whatever didn't get a good search result. So google doesn't want to present that answer. They will always try to filter out sites that do this. And they should. So would I if I were google.

Would my site be what it is if I would link to CJ heaven? Don't think so...

johnclark 01-13-2014 08:05 AM
Got to agree with thehun here. If you care anything about a site then throwing away all that mobile traffic for a few bucks per 1k is not really a method for the long run.

I do have mobile redirect on some sites, but old ones that I have kinda left to die and where the few bucks is better than nothing.

Mobile traffic is growing fast, and can convert great if you use it wisely.

P.S thanks for the listing yesterday at the hun :P

adultrock 01-18-2014 03:45 PM
I read the entire thread and still there is no actual proof that google deindexed because of plugrush.
Almost everyone says that main problem is mobile redirects...
However, I hope we will soon find out what exactly happened with all those websites.

Aka_Bluey 01-18-2014 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by adultrock (Post 19949485)
I read the entire thread and still there is no actual proof that google deindexed because of plugrush.
Almost everyone says that main problem is mobile redirects...
However, I hope we will soon find out what exactly happened with all those websites.
Maybe you should go and read it again, looks like you missed quite a bit.

adultrock 01-18-2014 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Aka_Bluey (Post 19949515)
Maybe you should go and read it again, looks like you missed quite a bit.
I didn't find 100% proof... Some people says "yes", and some of them "no". But something weird is happening... that's for sure.

Klen 01-18-2014 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by adultrock (Post 19949551)
I didn't find 100% proof... Some people says "yes", and some of them "no". But something weird is happening... that's for sure.
You missed part where Matt Cutts of google confirmed it,and part where people says how they where de-indexed by mistake despise they werent actualy used mobile redirect,just plugrush?

adultrock 01-18-2014 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 19949632)
You missed part where Matt Cutts of google confirmed it,and part where people says how they where de-indexed by mistake despise they werent actualy used mobile redirect,just plugrush?
Yes I did see that all... but still I am confused because of to much different informations.

I have responsive website and I would like to put plugrush widget on my website with disabled blind/mobile redirects.
So will my site be de-indexed by google then or it will be safe?
Did anybody do it exactly like this so far and still has his website on google?

Pozdrav iz Hr ;)

Markul 01-19-2014 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by adultrock (Post 19949657)
Yes I did see that all... but still I am confused because of to much different informations.

I have responsive website and I would like to put plugrush widget on my website with disabled blind/mobile redirects.
So will my site be de-indexed by google then or it will be safe?
Did anybody do it exactly like this so far and still has his website on google?

Pozdrav iz Hr ;)
Mobile redirects are the problem. Not Plugrush. So go for it.

HerPimp 01-19-2014 05:56 AM
Clean quality sites are the only ones that stand the test of time.

RegUser 01-19-2014 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Markul (Post 19949817)
Mobile redirects are the problem. Not Plugrush. So go for it.
Not true at all. My 2nd site was deindexed even without ANY mobile redirects. Google also denied my request for reindexing even after I had removed the mobile redirect code from 1st website and also disabled mobile redirects from within plugrush panel.
I also know of other people mentioning exactly the same issue.
I have seen a mention of fact that google bot does not see pictures that surfers see, hence it is considered sneaky redirects.
Doesn't look this issue is going to be clarified at all in near future - https://productforums.google.com/for...rs/YxWMJA5KZsw

They have made it abundently clear that it is plugrush's implementation that is causing this bloody mayhem. Even plugrush has responded in email that there was some issue which has been taken care of between them and google. However there is no official green signal from google yet.

Naughty-Pages 01-19-2014 12:13 PM
Matt Cutts actually mentions plugrush here:

https://productforums.google.com/d/m...c/xL-B4UxL540J

ITraffic 01-19-2014 12:20 PM
i recommend it to all my competitors in the serps. you can use it on your sites with no issues.

rintintin34 01-19-2014 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Naughty-Pages (Post 19950082)
Matt Cutts actually mentions plugrush here:
It's not Matt Cutts' response.

brassmonkey 01-19-2014 03:30 PM
im going to just tell you jackasses

google wants you to have mobile version of your website :2 cents: :2 cents:

adultrock 01-19-2014 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RegUser (Post 19949933)
They have made it abundently clear that it is plugrush's implementation that is causing this bloody mayhem. Even plugrush has responded in email that there was some issue which has been taken care of between them and google. However there is no official green signal from google yet.
When google and/or plugrush give that green signal I will put widgets on my website... till then I will wait... I am sure it will be solved very soon.

adultrock 01-19-2014 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19950243)
im going to just tell you jackasses

google wants you to have mobile version of your website :2 cents: :2 cents:
what do you want to say with this?

RegUser 01-19-2014 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by adultrock (Post 19950255)
what do you want to say with this?
Just having mobile site is not the issue. Just the mobile redirect is not the issue either. Google mobile bot must see exactly the same as a mobile user sees.
That is the crux of the matter.
Something only plugrush and google can work out

adultrock 01-19-2014 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RegUser (Post 19950285)
Just having mobile site is not the issue. Just the mobile redirect is not the issue either. Google mobile bot must see exactly the same as a mobile user sees.
That is the crux of the matter.
Something only plugrush and google can work out
highly logical, I agree ;)

Naughty-Pages 01-19-2014 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rintintin34 (Post 19950226)
It's not Matt Cutts' response.
LMFAO!! you're silly..

You are going to have to tell me how to spoof a google employee account on Google groups..

http://naughty-traffic.com/for_gfy/matt.jpg

Quote:
Originally Posted by RegUser (Post 19950285)
Just having mobile site is not the issue. Just the mobile redirect is not the issue either. Google mobile bot must see exactly the same as a mobile user sees.
That is the crux of the matter.
Something only plugrush and google can work out
I agree 100% that that's the issue.. The content that google bot views differs from what the user sees.

CyberHustler 01-19-2014 09:02 PM
Matt only mentions the mobile redirects. Everything else is all extras yall niggas is adding on yourselves and shit. Never mobile redirected a damn thing in my life, and nothing on my networks were ever deindexed by nobody. Mobile redirects are corny and played out, like flash intros. Responsive is that good shit right now. Same damn thing, every device.... everybody happy. You fuck niggas need to get your minds right.

jgabra62 01-21-2014 09:41 AM
Sometimes doing a bad redirect may be harmfull to the ranking. To avoid this the Affiliate should follow a set of simple rules

- Have a mobile version of their site and use banners, tab links and other
- When doing a redirect look for a google-friendly provider, a provider that complies with the following requirements:
- Implement redirect so that it is not seen as Cloaking. Mobile bots should be redirected the same way mobile handsets are redirected
- Redirect to a customized mobile site :
o Custom DNS
o Whitelabel : custom logo, page title, page description
- Avoid redirect in the US

Affil4You provides all this and will provide more and more tools allowing you to monetize safely your mobile audience. Sending traffic to a broker seeking the highest immediate revenue is not really an ideal long term solution.

jgabra62 01-21-2014 09:43 AM
I might also add one more rule you may want to follow...

Don?t send traffic to a mobile page that pushes malware apps (specially on Android). Make sure that the destination pages are verified with antivirus tools by you or your affiliate program.

Why 01-21-2014 09:52 AM
joey,

the issue with ALL brokers is that the end point changes randomly, thus all users do not have a similar experience. due to bidding changing where the traffic actuals ends up at. there is no way to work around that with a mobile redirect, unless you have a single place that it all goes. (this is in the case of mobile redirects)

i do however 100% agree that the only way to properly manage mobile in the long term is to build a proper mobile site and stock it with banners much like you would a desktop site.

jgabra62 01-21-2014 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Why (Post 19952327)
joey,

the issue with ALL brokers is that the end point changes randomly, thus all users do not have a similar experience. due to bidding changing where the traffic actuals ends up at. there is no way to work around that with a mobile redirect, unless you have a single place that it all goes. (this is in the case of mobile redirects)

i do however 100% agree that the only way to properly manage mobile in the long term is to build a proper mobile site and stock it with banners much like you would a desktop site.
I can't argue with you on that...it is a bit of a chase at the end of the day. However, the long term end-game is what people should really be focusing, just like you said :)

MonsterWeb 02-06-2014 11:11 AM
Anyone was de-indexed with some other broker than plugrush yet?


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