And there's a solution. Aspire to do better than a minimum wage job. Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be one's career.

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minimum wage isn't the problem, nor is it a solution...

back then no-skill labor was in demand (so it paid reasonably well), now it's not.. (due to various factors: globalization, automation, etc)

if there is low demand for no-skill labor, artificially raising wages isn't going to do shit...

solution is to acquire skills that are in demand... but liberals seem to have "something for nothing" attitude, they want to get more, without putting in any effort...

As someone whom has owned a commercial cleaning business in the past, I can tell you that the people whom clean the toilets are probably making more than Walmart or fast food employes..

It's funny to see people bring liberal this or that into an argument yet one of the biggest things so called conservatives are against is using tax dollars for social services. Yet, you see nothing at all wrong with companies whom subsidize their payroll at the expense of the tax payers by abusing the very social services they clam to hate..

Very odd bunch the "conservatives" are.. One thing they aren't, is consistent..

where is the inconsistency?

I think you are misunderstanding who is creating the problem...

how is it business's fault that their employees are leeching off the government/tax payer tit?

Business needs some help, they hire someone for $8/hr, why would it be business' problem that the person working has 3 kids and can't support them? and why should the business be blamed that person is getting some freebies from the government? (the issue is between the person working and the government, it has nothing to do with the business that hired them)

it sounds like you support government subsidies for the people, but then twist it around and call it a subsidy for the business? :error

Of course, you were typing something correctly and autocorrect for an inexplicable and unknown reason (according to you), changed "hole", into "whole" which have no relationship whatsoever, contextual or otherwise. I suppose it was likely learned as it was a common mistake of yours. OR, you're just not super bright as your incessant, one sided, extremely biased, tunnel vision driven rambling about how evil republicans are and how righteous democrats are would indicate.

Thank you for devoting so much of your time to the usage of whole and hole. I would say that you are probably an A hole in real real life, but I'm certain your babbling about a word miss spelled on a random forum, does not convey whole story of what a great person you must be in real life.

It's not a misunderstanding, but I wanted to show that yes there is an inconsistency. We hear all the time about welfare queens and how our tax dollars are wasted by people that should get a job.

Well there are two sides of that coin and the inconsistency comes when the very people whom bitch and moan about welfare queens, turn blind eye to corporations whom abuse the system and cost tax payers money.

Consistency would mean, that you share the same discontent for both groups, not excusing one due to them being a corporate entity doing business. As was stated earlier by another, if your business model depends on your workers using social services to survive, then your business model is not sustainable and the tax payers should not be left with the burden.

I'm all for welfare reform, but I also want to see a end to corporations leaving the tax payers holding the bag, because they don't pay people enough to live on. We have a minimum wage for a reason, it just hasn't risen with inflation.

It remains a valid point that if you can't distinguish between "whole" and "hole", then you likely aren't worth more than minimum wage. My personality has little to do with your inability to spell at a 3rd grade level.

As for your relentless "conservative" vs "liberal" bs, you aren't even intelligent enough to understand or accept that you are no less biased towards your views and no more right on any issue than anyone else being that your are wholly incapable of seeing an issue in its entirety as well as all the many faceted arguments for and against that accompany them. You see "my team is right" and little else. Thats what makes you a simpleton.

A few weeks ago a facebook friend from highschool was complaining about how the owner of the company she works for came into work showing off her new $2500 purse but she hasn't received her raise yet. She is now unemployed..

Liberals created this setup, and perhaps both sides take advantage of it... (though I don't really buy the theory that government is subsidizing walmart) ...so if you feel there is a problem with this setup, blame the liberals... don't blame the businesses, they have nothing to do with it, they are just playing along...

it's not business's problem if someone can live on their wage or not... worker and employer agree on a wage, worker performs a service and gets paid for it... there is nothing unfair or wrong about it...

if someone is unable to live on an income from a job at walmart, maybe it's not the right job for them? maybe they need to take on 2 jobs? or think about getting some skills so they can get a better paying job? or maybe they need to just show some initiative, work a little harder, so they can rise to the top?

I'm one of the biggest anti welfare people you'd ever meet. I hate that we just give able-bodied people money for nothing in this country.

However, I do believe in offering a hand up.. not a hand out. In other words.. temporary assistance rather than making it a way of life.

The liberals in this country celebrate getting people onto the government dole. Yet they offer no solutions to get them off the government dole.

I would be all for welfare if instead of just handing people money, it offered temporary relief while at the same time offered and encouraged government sponsored job skills training so these people can get better jobs and therefore not need welfare in the first place.

But the problem is.. the democrats WANT people on welfare. The more the merrier. Dependent people are easier to control. AND it creates a steady voting base for their side.

Again.. you seem to not understand basic economics. Forcing companies to raise low skilled wages will DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for the low skilled wage earner. Everyone else's wage will go up proportionally and in turn prices of goods and services will as well.

If the burger flipper is making $30/hr, then his manager's salary would go up as well.. And so will everyone else's. You guys don't seem to understand that money is simply a measure based on productivity and has no real value.

There's a reason these jobs pay what they do. They're easy to replace. Again simple supply and demand. There are millions who can be a greeter at Wal Mart. There are far less who can manage the greeters and therefore they earn more, and so on.

Again.. think you're worth more than you're making.. Prove it! Prove your value to the company. Prove that YOU can't easily be replaced.

It really is a simple as that.

I will add that there's usually a reason they're working a low skilled job in the first place. They more than likely haven't made the best choices in life and this is one of the consequences.

This guy is starting to crack me up. Who knew a ipad auto correct of a single word, could bring so much hate out of a single person. Just boggles the mind, but please do go on.

Bonuses are taxed at the highest tax rate. So the taxes paid by him are far more than the company would have ever paid themselves or what the individuals would have ever paid especially considering the majority are getting all if not more than they paid in back.

If the min wage went up $2 you'd have a whole shit ton of people spending that increase putting it back into the economy. Instead these people rely on the government WHICH WE PAY FOR and these corporations just retain the profits.

As a conservative Id think you would be for people making enough to survive on their own versus us getting taxed more to help these welfarees survive. Either we pay them or the corporations pay them and I'd rather corporations paid them cause it's their fucking business, not mine.

When adjusted for inflation the minimum wage is some of the lowest it's been. In the 70s when adjusted for today's dollars it would be over $10 an hr.

When you live pay check to pay check and have a family it's awfully hard to get a leg up or whatever when all your time and money is taken up already

Frankly I don't believe in a minimum wage to begin with. I believe in true free market. Supply and demand alone should dictate what a job will pay. Not the government.

Lack of workers willing to do a certain job for a certain amount of pay is what will drive wages up and in a non-artificial way.

would america be better of without those 400k jobs ?? you envious commie:321GFY

I also like how some of you guys glossed over the fact that Yum Brands offers their employees the resources to get out of said low skilled, entry level jobs..

http://yumcareers.com/about-yum/benefits.html

You're not worthy of hate or even any emotional response. You are irrelevant. That is why you are here, posting day after day after day about a nonexistent battle against the righteous good and pure evil instead of working and building and growing.

Your theory doesn't work, because as history has shown, there will always be workers that are willing to do it for cheaper. Look at China as an example of what the US would of been like had we never had a minimum wage. Yes we had sweat shops and child labor in this country. Rules, regulation and minimum wage is what brought the standard of living up not some libertarian dream of a fictional free market that has never existed in this country or any other for that matter.

I guess that's why you keep replying then?

My theory certainly works and you just proved it. The fact that there are always workers willing to do it cheaper. That's what determines what the job pays in the first place. Simple supply and demand.

You do understand that as with any company, you need to be full time to enjoy those benefits. Usually in fast food type jobs workers are kept well under the hours required to be full time. Hence no benefits for anyone but the managers in most cases.

So tell me again, how many sign ups you would be getting if the average working wage in the US was the same as China's wages?

For free market to work there has to be a balance, yet with a endless supply of cheaper and cheaper labor, the balance is never found.. Hence your free market idealism is a pipe dream and that is the reason that it's never happened anywhere in the world.

If you aren't for a minimum wage, why not just bring slavery back? At least then you had to provide them some shelter...

What not get rid of child labor laws? Just let the market dictate how young is useful to hire...

Well.. I use the Wal Mart pricing model on my videos (see sig). So I suppose my sales wouldn't decrease much. People want cheap.. and I've figured out a way to make it work.

The point you're missing is that we shouldn't aspire to working low skilled jobs just to get by. But we do.. because it's the easy way.

You assume that we as individuals don't have the power to change our financial situation by our own actions and need government to step in for us..

Me personally.. I'm not rich.. I didn't start life rich either. But I had the motivation to evaluate the resources I had available to me at the time and figure out a way to make them work for me..

Can't find a job, make one. If one has the skill to scoop dog shit, one can create their own job. I firmly believe that.

Slavery is forced servitude. Much different than I advocate.

I have the power to say "I will or will not do this or that job for this or that pay" - That's freedom.

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Lots of breast beating and blame being laid, without any solutions being made (or even proposed)...typical GFY thread. :1orglaugh





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That sort of ended that, thanks very instructive.

Minimum wage when I grew up was for kids making money after school. I worked at several minimum wage jobs before going into the Navy.
If they were to raise the wages to $10, then everyone else would want to wages raised to make up for the rising cost of living due to companies having to raise prices, then the people wanting minimum wages raised this time would want them raised again.
The left is so concerned about this it makes me sick since back in 2007, median household income was $55,438. That's declined to $51,404 in February 2013

there is a big difference between then and now being that many if not most of todays minimum wage jobs paid more than minimum wage when you were growing up.

Some did, but most of the jobs that were available were starting at minimum wage and working up as you earned it.

WOW Cut that assistance Immediately....
Those jobs are for 14-17 year old while in School.

When I had a Min wage job to provide for my family, I got TWO of those Jobs.
I also donated Plasma for food money for my family.
Only time I have ever been on Public assistance was when I had Back surgery and could not provide for my family. I did earn those benefits from working two jobs my entire life after the Military...
Many of the people on Benefits are Lifers and even Families are now handing down this mind set.

My son had 2 friends over and were talking. One guy said he got a female pregnant. the other guy said you better go get on Welfare. He didn't tell him to go get a JOB....

ALSO, these fast food places DO give raises. Well where I live they do. So, if you suck so bad to not get a raise, get another JOB.

Not enough Hours? Get a second Job or a third.

With this cold, many places are hurting for WORKERS, because they don't want to come in.

Big Company UPS can't keep enough people. Well they do only start at $8.50 to do Physical Labor.

So on and so on..

You cant be on welfare anymore for life that stopped with clinton. Do you know how little welfare pays people? Here is some info not talking points. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/myth-m...100735267.html

If you got out in the world, you would know that IS NOT True.

I know several that have got welfare in the form of Food Stamps for the 15 years I have known them.

She gets $500+ a month for her and 3 children.
So, while they do not allow her to get the $250 a month in Cash she use to get, they bumped her food stamps.

No matter what you say Food stamps is welfare.

The $500 a month now is lower, it use to be around $700.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, she knows how to work the system.
I do not agree with it at all, but like the tax break people, it is there, so use it...

how little they pay people??? I am just going by what the OP was stating....
" it cost tax payers 650 million in welfare and public housing assistance"

No matter how "LITTLE" it is, it is not fair to the hard working people.

Give me an extra $1,000+ a month, as a bonus for doing nothing...

The rich get richer