Wrong.

U.S. malpractice lawsuits less than 1% of healthcare costs



Hospitals charging $2000 for an aspirin and $500 for a bowl of oatmeal and yet you're defending them by spouting BS about lawsuits.

Right... because "healthcare costs" are the same thing as "your personal insurance rates".

And by the way.... dipshit. I am not "defending" anyone. You just made that up like almost everyone else does with their "facts" in these mindless discussions. The problems are complex and they exist to the degree they do because fucking morons can't even begin to wrap their mind around them and end up arguing idiotic, simpleminded campaign slogans and argue like 1/2 retarded robots about "republican" and "democrat" as if thats got anything at all to do with it, rather than addressing the actual problem.

How many doctors are forced out of business or leave due to high malpractice insurance rates?

And since you "care" so much.... how worrying about this newly created problem in US health care..

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...osel/?page=all

Nice cover :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Ok, then where did I support the republicans, you mentioned a President that was a republican, that's hardly any proof.

I'm waiting for it!

Your really thinking that way, what a narrow mind

I criticize Obama and those that support his agenda, period. I could give a rats ass about the GOP, they're not in power. Fucking retarded noobie. Go find another board, Go Fuck Yourself

Hi Vendy...

Actually, the gop IS in power. They control the house and they controlled just about everything else thanks to those evil fillibusters which are now thankfully, a little less evil). Anyone who things John Boner has no power isn't paying attention.

Interestingly enough that article has people claiming that fewer and fewer people are going to school to be doctors, yet this study done by the Association of American Medical Colleges shows, "Combined first-year M.D. and D.O. enrollment in 2015-16 is projected to be 26,403, 35 percent above 2002-03."

So in reality the number of people enrolling in school to be doctors appears to be on the rise.

According to their study they felt we would need an increase in new doctors of about 30% by the year 2015. At the current rate of growth they will hit that number around 2017.

Being a doctor is not a money grab. While there are some people that choose the field because of the potential earnings, many of them choose the field because they want to help people. They like the money, and they deserve the money, but you don't dedicate over a decade of your life to school, potentially a huge amount of debt, and an enormous amount of stress just because you want to earn some good money. If money were the main motivator a person could go to significantly less school and likely get into a career where they could make a similar amount of money. According to this the average family practitioner makes about $175K per year. The guy that lives across the street from me is a foreman for a industrial electrician contractor and he made about $135K last year with two years of schooling under his belt.

Sorry, but I just to buy it when I hear people say that Obamacare is going to drive people away from the medical field. At this point it is all speculation.

I don't think I've seen anything so willfully misinformed for ages. Obama is basically a moderate corporate republican. It's just that he's a moderate corporate republican from 25 years ago. You can't move a party to the loony right with an insurgent radical wing over a couple of years and then complain that Obama doesn't agree with Ted Cruz that Agenda 21 will force everyone to live in hobbit homes.

Obama has capitulated time and time again and given into the republicans with the very faintest of protest see: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/boehner-...what-i-wanted/ it's just that the establishment republicans like Boehner are being wedged from the far right by the tea party fanatics/grandstanders/charlatans/tantrum havers and have to worry about being primaried. So they've ruined many things that would have happened under the normal course of business.
Fuck. Obama had a chief of staff that called progressives "fucking idiots". He's governing centre-right and is basically a corporate shill like any president essentially has to be these days with the current campaign finance situation.

This last debt ceiling fight is essentially the first time Obama hasn't immediately capitulated and it's mainly because he had most of the moneyed interests and corporations on his side and the Republicans had no real plan or strategy to achieve anything. Next time they'll probably find some middle ground if the loonies on the right don't screw things up again like they did in '11 when Boehner and Obama wanted to make a deal.

There might already be a more moderate budget deal in the works. Paul Ryan and Patty Murray have hammered out a budget that restores some spending that was hit by the sequester and cuts in other places. Reports are that it is a fair and reasonable budget where both sides get some and give some. So of course the far right hates it and so far the liberals haven't said a whole lot, but Obama said he likes it.

This will be the 3rd and final time that I point out how predictable you are.

Whenever there is a topic in which Republicans are being criticized, you are incapable of not inserting your hatred for Obama into it.

Go seek professional help.

He hasn't tried to work with the other side only in the eyes of conservatives. Shutting down the government because you don't get everything you want is not being agreeable. In what world have Republicans wanted to work with Obama? They stated from the outset that they'd be blocking everything he tried to do, and they've followed through on that. They've played 100% politics for the last 5 years, totally disregarding the will of the American people. It's been a nonstop circus of obstructionist antics.

Obama has basically given them an olive branch with immigration reform as a cause they could take up to improve their standing with the public --- and they've squandered that chance, with only one work day left ion Congress. Do you even know about that situation? Probably not. Can they actually do anything besides try to lower taxes and be against anything that looks like progress?

They lost the goddamn election and think they're still in charge, and think the country on their side on all of their backward ass ideals and values that basically involves keeping things as they are, or moving backwards socially and fiscally. You're obviously in the same bubble they are. I watch Fox News, so I know about all of the misinformation you guys get fed on a daily basis. Don't even try to say you're neutral. It's very obvious you're not, so just own it.

QFT... thank you. :thumbsup

Obama pulled up immigration reform to try and shed the bad press for Begazi, the IRS targeting conservatives, The NSA getting caught spying on every ones email and the lies he said about Obamacare to get it passed.

He needs to fix his fuck ups first before creating new ones

As far as Obama listening to the GOP, I call Bull Shit

Back in 2009 and 2010, Democrats controlled the White House and the U.S. House and U.S. Senate. President Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi rammed Obamacare through without a single Republican vote.
The Washington Post said of the Obamacare fight at the time ?It has inflamed the partisanship that Obama pledged to tame when he campaigned for the White House and has limited Congress?s ability to pass any other major legislation.?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...032100943.html
In December 2009, the U.S. Senate voted 60 to 39 for Obamacare. The Washington Post reported ?The Senate bill passed without a single GOP vote.?
In March 2010, the U.S. House voted 219 to 212 for Obamacare. 34 House Democrats and all of the House Republicans voted against Obamacare. The NO votes were the only bipartisan votes.
President Obama signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) on March 23, 2010.


Democrats ignored the plans offered by Republicans at the time ? including the House GOP plan drafted by Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) and The Patients? Choice Act of 2009 introduced by U.S. Senators Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK) and Richard Burr (R-NC) and U.S. Representatives Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Devin Nunes (R-CA).


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_247301.html

http://paulryan.house.gov/uploadedfi...summary15p.pdf


So yes, Obama ignored the Republicans, passed the bill into law with lies of you can keep your doctor and you can keep your current insurance with ZERO input from the Republicans


Giving them an Olive Branch, are you fucking kidding me? Every speech he gives, with the exception of when "HE" killed Osama Bin Laden, he uses to campaign against the republicans

this sort of thing by the president certainly does not help:::::::


Obama: GOP should be 'embarrassed' by low productivity on Hill

“They’ve got to be embarrassed,” the president said on a special edition of “Hardball” that aired Thursday evening. “Because the truth of the matter is they’ve now been in charge of the House of Representatives – one branch or one chamber in one branch of government – for a couple of years now. They just don’t have a lot to show for it.”

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...tivity-on-hill


it doesn't matter he's right or wrong about that either, finger pointing never helps anything.

21 hours speech... ? Who can endure such a thing?

Not true. Immigration reform was one of the things Obama promised to do during his election campaign which was before Bengazi. And also, in the end the Bengazi thing was nothing to report except an unfortunate incident. There was nothing to hide, and it was declared a terrorist attack despite the fact that the GOP said it was not, which I hope you remember that idiot Mitt Romney was famously humiliated for on national live TV.

Not true. After the investigation it was shown that more democratic organizations were denied the tax exemption status. And besides even if they were targeting conservatives, don't you think they deserve to be at least looked at a little more closely?

This is a George W Bush era entity, and it has been known and reported on since 2008. Dubya stripped Americans of rights immediately after the 9/11 attacks, or did you forget?

Obama didn't lie about Obamacare. First, it's a republican idea. Next, it was slow or unresponsive thanks to traffic and software bugs, which Obama has promised to fix, and which he has. Come on dude...

Like... what? Guantoamo might be an issue sure, but the GOP hasn't exactly got out of his way to close it either.

He didn't ram it through. He passed it and then the GOP tried to block it by first calling it unconstitutional which of course was proven wrong. Then they tried to repeal it 47 times instead of doing any real work or passing any real laws.

Wow... just..wow.. when does he do that? Think about it a sec... every time someone like Boehner, or Rubio, or any of the tea party nuts, say anything about a blade of grass, they always turn it into a job against the president and or obamacare. Try listening to any of these people one day you'll see its true.

Nothing is ever good enough for you, you will find some reason why it's not good enough. I could say blue you would say red. I could then say red and you would say yellow. It's just like there is nothing Obama could ever do, because no matter what he does you will find something wrong with it. You are a hater..

The fact is, your precious Ronald Reagan would never be elected by the GOP today, because you and just about the entire right wing has gone so far from center, you are about to fall off the edge. Obama is the closest thing to Reagan we have had, but because he's wearing the Democrat name tag, you think he is the anti Christ.

He never wanted to act on it till just lately. Trying to shift the blame

They admitted to targeting to the senate

Which Obama said he would get rid of and extended twice

So when the president says you can keep your insurance and 5 million people lose their insurance, you're ok with that? I could give a rats ass about the website, that they can fix, it's nothing more than an embarrassment, his lies about keeping your insurance and thus not being able to keep your doctor is something esle

I think they should keep it open, if they move those inmate here, it will cost the US millions

I guess you forget where Pelosi said we will see whats in it after we vote on it

Listen to his speech, he said he he he he, never mentioning Seal Team 6, fuck him

Every conversation:

**********: "2+2=4"
Vendzilla: "I don't believe it"


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No shit, you finally have a clue, you should spend it before it evaporates

Ronald Reagan is not like today's republicans you half wit, that's why I don't support them!

Reagan was nothing like Barry, Reagan created jobs
http://www.forbes.com/sites/briandom...dle-to-reagan/

Wow, is that the best you have, or maybe looking thru coloring books for politicians to bash.

Fucking moron

Um, NO, he didn't. In his speech he mentioned Leon Panetta, director of the CIA. He thanked the intelligence community, said a "small team of American carried out the operation "with extraordinary courage and capability". The only time he said "I" was when he said "Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan".



Stop watching Fox News. It's bad for your mental health.

Woah... I enjoy posting back and fourth here on GFY with you but I never let it get personal. Thanks for that, big man.

Take it from the Noob who doesn't know anything based upon his low post count.

Forums are good for venting about politics, not debating them.

That is not possible ... as we all know that government doesn't create jobs :2 cents::upsidedow

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda, even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat his network.

Then, last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain, and it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we had located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside of Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action, and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.

Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan. A small team of Americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No Americans were harmed. They took care to avoid civilian casualties. After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body.

You might want to pull the BullShit out of your ears

My nephew was on the ship they landed on

Oh my, how arrogant he sounds.

LOL

So you are mad that the President made a decision that congress couldn't filibuster? It's funny that you bitch and moan about him taking ownership and responsibility for the decision to kill bin Laden. Do you think he should have asked the pope first?

It's funny you highlight the I's which is odd, because it was his decision to act or not act. No one else could make that decision. Meanwhile you don't highlight the the parts where he said "we" and "team"

Once again you cherry pick to try to push some right wing fairy tale land version of what happened. Why is it you ignored the parts with "we" and "team"? Do they not fit your agenda?

Reagan didn't become president in the middle of a recession that amounted to the biggest banking collapse since the Great Depression. Reagan was however the first president since WWII to double our national debt.

Thanks Obama..

Read the posts before you comment. The highlighted *I's* were a response to clarify that Mark Prince was clearly in error.

Originally Posted by **********
Um, NO, he didn't. In his speech he mentioned Leon Panetta, director of the CIA. He thanked the intelligence community, said a "small team of American carried out the operation "with extraordinary courage and capability". The only time he said "I" was when he said "Today, at my direction, the United States launched a targeted operation against that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan".

Prior to his response to **********, he was saying Obama was all. "He,he,he" trying to push the idea that Obama never thanked anyone but himself, which is total BS and typical right wing propaganda. MP replied to that, which he didn't use the best wording. He should of said something along the lines of Obama only said "I" when talking about his direct decisions and not just the one specific instance..

However "I" think the clear message is that obviously the amount of times the president said "I" is far more important than the fact that bin Laden was killed. Perhaps we would have been better off with.. "I really just don?t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you". Which was Bush's response to looking for bin Laden.

LOL talk about bullshit.

Mark Prince made a statement. He was wrong.(period)


Why is it you are so in love with Obama?

So, is Vendzilla making any progress with that petition of his to get Obama impeached?

He made a statement, a Reply to Vendizlla whom was also wrong. (period)


I'm not in love with Obama, I have plenty of gripes of my own with him, but I'm sick of seeing the typical right wing bullshit spewed about as if it's not biased and not filled with half truths and mis information. I don't care if someone hates Obama, Ted Cruz or anyone else but at least get the facts right and quit spewing out complete bullshit that comes spoon fed, from the talking points of Fox News pundits.

You should look at Obama's latest approval ratings

Thanx, he can't get past his foaming mouth to read and understand what I commented on

So who are THEY? That's the point I was trying to get across, sorry you failed to understand that. I'll try to talk slower to you next time, OK?

He was wrong about a lot of things in this thread, apparently 2+2=5

You're about as useless as a snooze button on a fire alarm in this thread....

Instead of saying I'm wrong, try telling me where. I know that's really all you have and it's heating up your brain and you're not use to that, but give it a try!!!

I need to comment on this again.

I said quote " Reagan was nothing like Barry"

Your response was Reagan didn't become president in the middle of a recession.

So where is my quote incorrect?

Reagan did become president in the middle of the Iran Crisis and during the cold war
A recession started right when he took office, under Carter, the inflation rate was over 12%
It was 4.4% the last year Reagan was president

You don't know about the S&L crisis?

Oh, And I like the way you said he was the first to double the debt.

I'm not the one starting new topics every other day, about how much I hate some politician. That's you.. 8)

Showing you where you are wrong? We do that in every topic but nothing ever seems to get through that head of yours. You don't care if I prove to you that the color blue is blue, because as long as you think it's red, you will never agree that it's not.

After all you are the guy that keeps claiming the a Republicans in congress have been willing to work with Obama.. It doesn't matter that they, themselves have openly stated their main goal is to stop democrats and Obama from getting anything done. They openly state this, but you still say they try to work with the left.

How can anyone prove you wrong, when you will never admit you are wrong, nor will you ever accept anything that discredits what you think? It doesn't matter what proof anyone provides to you, you just change the subject or ignore it. This topic is very proof. It was about Ted Cruz, so instead you bitch and moan about Obama.