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kane 12-25-2013 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19919699)
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/gov...tion_stats.htm

Number of States won by:
Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by:
Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by:
Democrats: 127 Million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by:
Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1

http://www.examiner.com/article/crim...rvative-cities

The 15 most liberal cities in the US:

- Detroit, Michigan - 24 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Gary, Indiana - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Berkeley, California - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Washington, DC - 13 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Oakland, California - 16 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Inglewood, California - 8 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Newark, New Jersey - 11 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Cambridge, Massachusetts - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- San Francisco, California - 7 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Flint, Michigan - 24 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Cleveland, Ohio - 14 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Hartford, Connecticut - 13 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Paterson, New Jersey - 11 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Baltimore, Maryland - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- New Haven, Connecticut - 15 violent crimes/1,000 residents

The 15 most conservative cities in the US:

- Provo, Utah - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Lubbock, Texas - 9 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Abilene, Texas - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Hialeah, Florida - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Plano, Texas - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Colorado Springs, Colorado - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Gilbert, Arizona - 1 violent crime/1,000 residents
- Bakersfield, California - 6 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Lafayette, Louisiana - 8 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Orange, California - 1 violent crime/1,000 residents
- Escondido, California - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Allentown, Pennsylvania - 6 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Mesa, Arizona - 4 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Arlington, Texas - 5 violent crimes/1,000 residents
- Peoria, Arizona - 2 violent crimes/1,000 residents
When you got the site that published this study and scroll down it shows a lot of info on the top 25 conservative and liberal cities. To me the big, glaring differences (and I think it accounts for much of the crime difference) is the difference in poverty level in those cities.

The conservatives cities have an average of 12.252% of their population at or below the poverty line. In the liberal cities that number jumps to 22.252%. So there are nearly twice as many poor people living in the liberal cities as the conservatives cites. Poverty breeds self destruction and crime.

I have a feeling these crime statistics have a little more to do with economic situation than political ideology.

Robbie 12-25-2013 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 19922310)
The conservatives cities have an average of 12.252% of their population at or below the poverty line. In the liberal cities that number jumps to 22.252%. So there are nearly twice as many poor people living in the liberal cities as the conservatives cites. Poverty breeds self destruction and crime.
I think where the "politics" come in is that the "liberal cities" have been under Democrat rule for a long time and have pretty much been a laboratory for "big govt." spending and taxing and the results are pretty clear: If there was ever a great example of what happens when you go too far with big govt., unions, and driving business out of an area it would be: Detroit.

And look at Chicago. It's been run by the big Democrat Party machine for over a hundred years. It's an absolute mess.

Those kind of policies (in my opinion) are what lead to poverty. Especially for the inner city black youth.

But the people there are conditioned to vote "Democrat" because they think that getting a tiny bit of social welfare every month is going to lift them up somehow. And yet after decades and decades of living under Democrat rule...it only gets WORSE somehow.

In my opinion, it's created a state of dependence in them and damn near "enslaves" (I know that's a touchy word but I believe it to be true) them to the govt. and condemns them to poverty.

crockett 12-25-2013 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 19922401)
I think where the "politics" come in is that the "liberal cities" have been under Democrat rule for a long time and have pretty much been a laboratory for "big govt." spending and taxing and the results are pretty clear: If there was ever a great example of what happens when you go too far with big govt., unions, and driving business out of an area it would be: Detroit.

And look at Chicago. It's been run by the big Democrat Party machine for over a hundred years. It's an absolute mess.

Those kind of policies (in my opinion) are what lead to poverty. Especially for the inner city black youth.

But the people there are conditioned to vote "Democrat" because they think that getting a tiny bit of social welfare every month is going to lift them up somehow. And yet after decades and decades of living under Democrat rule...it only gets WORSE somehow.

In my opinion, it's created a state of dependence in them and damn near "enslaves" (I know that's a touchy word but I believe it to be true) them to the govt. and condemns them to poverty.
Have you seen the crime rate in Orlando? Florida has long been a Republican run state for as long as I can remember. How about Dallas? Look how bad the crime rate is in Dallas and some of Texas's other big cities which are very conservative cities. then look at Austin which is a very liberal city. It's quite literally night and day difference.

Austin was one of the cleanest cities I've visited and I felt safe traveling around there. Meanwhile Dallas and Forth worth just reminded me of the slums and was IMO just a large Orlando. It felt like I had to be careful were I went.

It's not if it's a red state or a blue state, but rather the population of the cities and how the local govt runs it. You could easily tell, that Austin puts a great deal of effort into keeping their city clean and keeping the crime rate low. Everything was well kept and the people there took pride in their city. Then look at Dallas and it was run down and shitty. That translates to the local govt not doing their job which will lead to higher crime rates.

Robbie 12-25-2013 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19922417)
Have you seen the crime rate in Orlando? Florida has long been a Republican run state for as long as I can remember.
" Democrats still outnumber Republicans among Florida’s registered voters. Republicans have never been the majority.

Among Florida’s 11,446,540 registered voters: 40% Democrats. 36% Republicans. 20% No Party Affiliation (independents). 4% Minor Parties"

I'm from Florida and my family still lives there. They are all "old south" Democrats. Always have been.

And if you notice, I didn't go by "State" I went by city. The local govt. of Detroit (along with their ass kissing of the unions there) destroyed that town. They are bankrupt. Business is RUNNING from there.

Orlando? It's a beautiful city (I lived there at one time and go there a lot). Lots of money, lots of businesses moving IN.

Robbie 12-25-2013 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 19922417)
How about Dallas? Look how bad the crime rate is in Dallas and some of Texas's other big cities which are very conservative cities. then look at Austin which is a very liberal city. It's quite literally night and day difference.
"The cities of Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Austin, and El Paso all presently have elected mayors with Democratic ties, and have voted Democratic in recent statewide and federal elections."

Dallas is a big urban city. The only places in Dallas with Republicans (who are also crooks...but not as much into big govt.) are the suburbs where all the people with money live.

Keep in mind that Texas as a STATE is booming right now with oil.

Inner city kids in Dallas with more govt. handouts aren't anywhere near the oil fields that are spurring economic growth. And they'd rather try to be like their favorite rapper than to realize they could be making serious money if they only got off their asses, told the govt. "no thanks for you welfare" and traveled a hundred miles where the big paying jobs are waiting for them.

Robbie 12-25-2013 11:36 AM
And my final argument for you Crockett:

Are you seriously trying to compare Orlando to Detroit or Chicago?

I've spent time in all 3 cities (Detroit almost 20 years ago, and it was already fucked even then).

I would feel perfectly fine living in Orlando (one of my aunts lives there now). I would NOT feel good about moving to Detroit.
And Detroit is as perfect an example of big govt./big unions/anti-business as exists in this world.

Detroit had it all. (still could).
It was the center of the universe for the automotive industry.

But the crooked politicians and unions got so greedy that nobody will open a car plant there now.

That's why you see cars being made in South Carolina, Tennessee...ANYWHERE but Detroit.

The people of Detroit deserved better. But the govt. and unions fucked them.


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