"only for fun?" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Ummm, okay ............

The conclusion I draw each time I read your post is that sponsors began to ignore affiliates before ideas like traffic rewards were implemented, in favor of other means of making sales that didn't consume the resources that an affiliates base consumed.

To which I said

So, let's agree to agree that sponsors bailed on the affiliate model in favor of other means of making sales without affiliates, while the act of rewarding affiliates with traffic is not and never would have been a burden.

Perhaps you could try my cam program :)

This noob is actually spot on.

How can you compete with the large tubes if they got most of the SE traffic cornered and can afford to spend tens of thousands of $$$ buying traffic from everywhere?

How do you plan to grow your new tube? Traffic has got to come from somewhere. You won't be getting any of the SE traffic. Are you prepared to spend $4 per 1k visitors?

you can do everything.....but NOT TUBES...if want to earn some money

To succeed in 2014 with a tube it/there must be "the one" .

You got it. :)


I don't want to compete with big tubes.

Ok, sorry, I think we are just misunderstanding each other.

Most sponsors will give good affiliates a link to reciprocate some traffic and when there are seo advantages. I don't think beyond that though that sponsors really want to generate traffic for affiliates that they pay out 50+% to generate their own traffic. Why would a sponsor want to do that when they can send their own traffic to themselves?

Sponsors have not really bailed on affiliates - what they have done is learned to differentiate between what is profitable and what is not.

A lot of programs that ran essentially an all out "arms race" to embrace more and more affiliates back in the day created a non sustainable business proposition that was doomed to failure as soon as they couldn't add more affiliates and couldn't monetize with enough recurring to keep paying the burden that affiliates generated, especially in pps.

I just think that nowadays with the bulk of SE traffic literally stumbling into the mega tubes, sponsors have the opportunity to light a fire under the asses of their affiliates who are struggling to get their own. They aren't converting 100% of their incoming from affs, tube channels, SEs, etc even if they have a network. They are sitting on a commodity that simply exits while affs are trying to convert shit purchased from brokers. It just makes sense even more so now than ever before to use some of it as an incentive for the entire aff base to step up its game. Not a carrot to dangle. It is a steak. It is a lobster. Damn, now I'm hungry.

Wasn't this done with Einstein console (written by mike from gfy) and abc web with Robert Nixon?

A console that popped and not only sent traffic back but also credited you with sales made?

I may be wrong...

Yes!! Porn is my hobye! I'm here only for fun! I dont hope earn money with porn :) Im learning a lot of seo, etc.

I think the sort of traffic you are thinking, which is essentially the ultra filtered but still non-converting junk that won't wash into a sale is most likely going to sell through to a broker to generate some income or be used for a trade with a reciprocating affiliate... where and when I guess that sort of fits the bill of what you are suggesting.

Sort of a conundrum... the affiliate that gets too big starts his own sites and the program that gets too good at generating traffic starts losing affiliates.

But regardless, the issue of traffic is still going to be the biggest issue for a new tube.

I think the only way for Porn Nerd to even have a shot...

1. Microniche the content, but that requires having a solid understanding of the microniche and finding content for it can be tough, the plus side is he can more easily compete on purchasing traffic to jump start it.

2. Allow even the parts of tubes that he doesn't want to allow and even though that will add stress, work, and liability, user uploads are a necessary reality

3. Figure out how to enhance the user experience - and that has its own set of challenges depending on the software he goes with like mechbunny etc. but one of the biggest challenges is giving the site a personality/brand that people want to bookmark. Xhamster succeeds in this regard where others try hard but can't pull it off.

All of those actually represent steep challenging mountains to climb...:2 cents:

Spoken like a true historian of the evolution of affiliate marketing!

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done , there is nothing new under the sun. - Ecclesiastes 1.9

.....And Bible study

;-))))

Thank G_d for that...

Amen!

I have a tubesite getting 15k hits daily, all SEO and bookmarks. I haven't been able to make it turn a profit yet, it's just one tiny little headache after another. In large part because of the reasons that Farrell outlined. It's not my core competence, it's a massive time drain on the staff I have left and the traffic management that I SHOULD be doing (but I'm not) boggles my mind anytime I allow myself to think about it. Anyone who considers themselves an expert and has a track record to prove it is welcome to hit me up and see if we can work something out.

That was my idea too, but after seeing the tube they're not looking to buy memberships anywhere lol

U should suck cock. Fucking fag

Advice from your whore mother?

15K daily in organic traffic like that and I see a minimum of $3K monthly in sales and rebills from 50/50 subscriptions to underpromoted yet not micro-niched sites, generated from a one page wonder that offers very little free content.

Hard to keep the organic if focusing on a *one page wonder*. That's the problem.

Not many people use the tube and just make it a paysite.

plan your traffic strategy, without that you have nothing. get your seo / link building plan and budget in place and to grow it initially build it up with bought feeder and trading traffic like the scraper tubes do.

And there you have it... a post not based on speculations and conjecture but on facts and first hand experience.

I would say in 2014 putting up a tube is not a "build it and they will come" proposition and to proceed with caution. Also, the effort and money might be better spent elsewhere to generate sales, imo, :2 cents:

Instead of launching a tube site with 3rd party content partners, why don't you:

• buy a Mech Bunny license
• brand this in your new tube domain
• upload all of your own tube clips that you have edited over the years
• use the banner space to advertise your own network pass membership and/or trials
• promote your existing cam platform

Once the heavy lifting of site design and content uploading is done, then the daily maintenance would not take you the hours that running and managing a tube site, with a content partnership program, would. As/when your editors edit a tube clip, you simply upload this clip to your own tube as you currently do with YouPorn, PornHub etc etc.

You may only have 2-300 tube clips, and only edit 1 or 2 new tube clips a week, but this is not about quantity, its about showing the quality and true value of your network membership.

To generate traffic, serve pop unders to your non member exit traffic. After all, this traffic has visited your site because they showed an initial interest, but for what ever reason, didn't buy a membership. If you had a "tube" that only featured your content, your banners etc, then that user will see the sheer size of your library, and the real value of buying a network membership with you. You could run 30-50% first month discounts on the banners, or trials. Remember, this was exit traffic that didn't buy a membership, but were interested.

So, rather than launching a new "tube" per say, and trying to improve on the user experience of existing tubes, and have this take up so much of your time, with little, if any, chance of making money, why not use the "tube" platform to make a glorified extended tour? It will make great use of non member exit traffic that you may never see again...

I think there would be a nice compromise in giving tube surfers the option of voluntarily exiting through a handful of one page wonder sites loaded with alternative sponsors. I'd be willing to bet that this combo of diversity and no pressure sales tactic, enough surfers would discover something alternative worth buying.

I am very confident that if Porn Nerd ran just a 10K daily tube with his own content in this manner, he'd make his $500+ weekly goal between sales and rebills from his sites and others outside his network.

Maybe... I still believe the route is to make the tube site not look so much like a tube, but rather a tour which has the join page right on the tube tour. It is the 1000's of pages that *hopefully* will help get the traffic. Then getting that traffic to convert the quickest way possible.

That *one page wonder* could be the join page smack right there on the tube. Couple that with your own billing method (i.e. join/credit card page) on the tube/tour itself... maybe something is there.

Solid suggestion :thumbsup

Thank You Robert - and Magnetron and Far-L, too - for some great advice. I actually think you may be hacking into my personal files there Robert because what you outlined is precisely what I have planned! LOL

When I say I want to start a tube it's understandable that people immediately think I'm going to try and compete with XHamster. But this is not my goal at all. I do not want a PornTube or a PornHub (mostly because of all the fantastic points laid out here in terms of time, expense and little chance of success). instead, I intend to make this an 'Art Tube', focusing on the erotic HD niche (a niche you know I know well Robert).

IF the tube grows "organically" and I see potential in opening it up to Content Partners then that's another thing. But for right now I want to simply promote my own network and a select few other "erotic art"-style websites as an affiliate. Then let's see what happens. You KNOW I am good at marketing/branding and I'm hoping the URL, design and overall presentation will go a long way. We will see.

Oh, and I currently have: 3,236 edited tube clips to populate my tube with, not counting any affiliate content, and edit about 60 new clips a week for my 32+ paysites. So there's a start. :)

Actually, the ruseful nic is mine, JT, not Roberts :)

And I am launching my own tube as I detailed to you. Our clips do well on the tubes :)

Check out the most popular sites of all time on youporn, I have 9 of the top 11!! www.youporn.com/channels/most_popular/alltime/

Would you be open to each of us discussing our ideas? Skype me: shittingnora
JT

Wow too much eggnog (or coding) for me! So sorry JT. LOL

So instead I will thank YOU for the great advice. :) I am nothing if not realistic, in both reality (the marketplace, economic landscape) and my own strengths/limitations. So my expectations remain realistic, i think, and with what you outlined JT I think the 'heavy lifting' will be the most time-consuming but am hoping I can get some of my employees to help out with uploading, etc. Design always takes more focus for me.

Anyway, we will see how it all goes but thanks again for hitting a bulls-eye with what my intentions are. :)

Yes I would be open ti discussing many things with you. I believe I am already an affiliate so getting your clips onto my 'art tube' would be great for both of us. This week is insane (of course) with NYE tomorrow but later in the week I'll reach out. :)

(I had a feeling you would start your own tube eventually. LOL Great good luck with it!)

yes you should, everything else suck

Going that route, imo, it is a great idea but then he might as well just set up a caged tour/trial so that the transition from outside member area to inside the member's area is seamless.

Well, I had considered this but being a network of 32 individual Members Areas (and growing; I'm adding 7 new sites in 2014) not one I would think that would make things more confusing. Plus I'm launching an entirely new network (and affiliate program) in January so a tube would be great to promote all my properties.

Then again I'm sure I'm missing something here. NYE starting already for us New Yorkers. :D

Cheers everyone!!

I don't think so.

Re:#4, what kind of traffic? ie; their niche/interest?

there will be no better time than now.