Would you believe Andrew is a good friend of mine. Now there's a master shit-stirrer! He even gets paid to do it!

Classic! I'll be buying tickets tomorrow :thumbsup

4 million / 19 million = 21%

35 million / 275 million = 12.7%

I think KRL was trying to show that Australia is almost twice as popular :)

btw I do realise that it's a silly measuring stick, what with Australia being younger and all.

Thats why you're out there making movies. BTW-loved your latest. :1orglaugh

In a free market economy, folks are rewarded for producing goods that society values.

For whatever reason, not very many folks value what you call "arts", hence huge government subsidies to keep them afloat where they would have otherwise gone out of business.:ak47:

Like NSync, Brittany Spears, the fat Osborne girl, Tori Amos.

Just because the cattle like it, or have been convinced to like it, does not make it of any value.

God for fucking bid that middle America EVER decide what is "art" and what is of value.

Now get back in the pen and dont moo unless spoken to.

Americans like things that are no brainers. If it causes them to have to rub more than 6 brain cells together its cast aside. The same way society shuns "nerds", smart = bad. They like their movies the same way. Less talk more action. More bang bang, more explosions and brainless broads showing their titties.

I think Bill Maher talked about this in his second show. He has very good points.

Only 7% of Americans have a passport. Only 10% of those who do, have actually used it (and i wonder what % of those actually went overseas).

Most people who say America is the best country in the world, are "pulling it out of their ass".

What would you think about a person talking shit about you, without even meeting or seeing you? It's exactly the same thing. These kind of people are simply full of prejudice and ignorance. Those are the ones who deserve to be hated.


My personal opinion: I have seen about 10 countries, most in Europe. United States is the best one to live in, because no other governmet thinks this much about the benefit of its own citizens.

Perfect summary of our business! Thanks!

Does not have any value??

Tell that to the bank. :1orglaugh

The fact that you buy NSync and Justin Timberlake cd's is evidence that society values what they produce.

I know this may make you fall off the toilet, but here is something else for you to ponder -->

I society valued what you call "arts", then why is there a need for the NEA to even exist??

Sorry mohammed, but your opinion is definately in the minority. :ak47:

That's all very true :thumbsup But it's not just a matter of Americans not traveling. The US media presents a distorted, simplistic, or worse-still non-existent view of the World. The only time another country rates a mention is when US interests are involved. Whereas most other developed countries and their media are much more outward looking. Consequently the typical citizen of Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc knows much more about the rest of the World than the typical American, even if they've never left their home country.

I am not
USA is the most powerfull country in the world these days but this can be changed very soon
I think that China will rule the world again one day.
Also don't forget that USA has just about 200 year history and its simply nothing compared with China or Egypt or England

God pitty the farmer! :winkwink:

Hija folks..... jeaulous of living in the States, no not really ...i'm living in Amsterdam, thats Holland, Europe ....I live near the red-light-district and have a coffeeshop on every corner on the street ...so who would be jeaulous ???:Graucho

I go to the US frequently and have family there who love it.

I love New York, Vegas and Eva and I had our honeymoon there. We drove from LA to San Fran to Vegas to Grand Canyon, Monument Valley and back viw San Diego.

But living there and working as a pornographer, no way.

I live in Czech and am very happy here.

The US is just for holidays.

I will just stay out of politics and hate.

Because of my work for 6 years with an American Transnational Company, I have travelled there many times, LA, San Diego, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Seattle, San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, New York, Orlando, Daytona Beach, Tallahasee (the capitol city of Florida for those of you who think is Miami), Kansas City Kansas and Kansas City Missouri of course, New Orleans, Mobile Alabama, to really name a few.

The common denominators, nice places, great and friendly people, awsome customer service in hotels, restaurants, etc.. ( a trait in very short supply here in Europe)

Do I want to live there? NO. I am happy here, because of exactly the same reasons (except thecustomer service) plus great historic places, universal mind, cost of living, travelling etc...

Selfish, ignorant, cock sucking assholes are everywhere, and in proportion, more on this board alone, than within the general population of almost any country.

News everywhere is the coverage of events judged to be on the world stage, national news, regional news, and any other news which may effect the country in question. I own a business in Eastern Europe and read the news there quite often. I can also speak some German.

Take a look at the news from Berlin today.
http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner-...tml/index.html

A few stories of national and local interest, a story on the bombing in the Phillipines, coverage of the situation in Iraq, and a piece on Stalin. You can read that same piece on Stalin on cnn.com today and also at the BBC website.

What are the headlines in France today? The situation in Iraq, the bombing in the Phillipines, and the bombing in Israel. What are the headlines in the US today? The situation in Iraq, the bombing in the Phillipines, and the bombing in Israel.

Probably no one has a front page story on the Ugandan soldiers killed in a firefight except Ugandan newspapers themselves. Maybe a neighboring country like the Congo or Kenya (Regional News).

Canada's CANOE is carrying stories today on the front of it's webpage on the situation in Iraq, the bomb blast in Israel, Shania Twain's induction into the Canadian Walk of Fame, and Michael Jackson's paying for a curse on Stephen Spielberg.

It would be silly and presumptious for me to think that European news sources are carrying news today about a proposed bullet train for the state of Florida and yet it is carried in the front section of the newspaper here, "The Miami Herald" -- just as it would be silly and presumptious for you to think the Miami Herald would carry an article today on French fisheries and how they are affected by various European Union treaties.

Nope! I am happy as hell living in Canada! Athough, I do hate the cold weather and the flippin' snow!! I am happy to go to the warm area's of the States when I can, I think that being able to spend 6 months there a year is cool, but I wouldn't want to live there.

Joe... that statement proves you know nothing about music or how the composers you mentioned above marketed there talents. Bach, Beethoven, Mozart & Vivaldi were whores.. they crank out pieces for pay by the thousands. All four of the composers you mentioned did it for pay after they found they had a markable product.. all four mased fortunes. Mozart would crank out 10 to 15 pieces a day.. some of the pieces are so simalar that to this day most expepts can not tell them a part. Mozart used to just change the name of the piece and sell it to serveral different buyers. While he was extremely talented he was not nearly as creative as people make him out to be. He was a master as marketing himself as much as he was a master of his music. Also... Mozart as well as ALL of the gained huge fortunes from there talents. Bach was paid what amounts to 150,000 U.S. dollars for the Brandanberg's which amounts to only 7 minutes of music. Mozart lived in the lap of luxuary nearly all his life. Vivaldi did nearly the same and a died as one of the most wealthy men in his counrty.
Beethoven is one of the few that truly did it for the love music. He was nearly death when he wrote his last three Symphonies. However.... When he was commissioned to write his 9th Symphony he was paid what amounts to $750.000.00 in todays wages.

So... it appears they mix after all.

My views on movies is that they are for mindless entertainment. Its nice to see something done well now and then. but to me its the same thng as going to the bar or bowling or something that requires no brain waves to enjoy. I dont have enjoy its artistic value to be entertained. Sometimes you just have to have fun.

Is Australian culture an oxymoron?

What DOES make a piece of "art" valued?

I'm very jealous..
we don't have guns, 11% psychos, snippers and Bush as president... it's so sad here...

Have you ever actually been to Australia?

The ironic thing is....

The french are accusing us of arrogance and the Germans are accusing us of being militaristic.

Hell - that explains a lot man...

It's no wonder you have a warped view of things.

PLEASE - believe me, an adult webmaster message board is probably not THE best place to form opinions on America or the average American, or the way life is in America.

But in doing so as you have - I can see where you have problems.

Thats a scary thought.

You are confusing monetary value with artistic value. Imagine that. You are a consumer at it finest. MTV says its cool, so it must be. The rest of the herd like it, so it must be good. Moooo

Are you trying to tell me that just because something has monetary value it has artistic value?

Why the NEA?

Because if the world let people like you choose what is art, we would be stuck with the Simpsons and Taz tattoos.

Labret,

When does something have "artistic value"? Some artists think a pile of dogshit with an American flag in it has artistic value. Half of GFY agrees.

What do you say, my friend? How can one tell the difference between whether something merits being called art or whether it is just a plain old pile of shit?

We both know the answer to that and you insult me by asking it.

Purely subjective. And you know that I know where you are going to try and take this next.

:thumbsup

No. I have never had any desire to visit Australia.

:angel

Thanks so much. I was starting to think Canada was one of those 'enemies of the state".

Good to know we have a friend there. :)

Hey mohammed, yes, I am telling you that artistic value and monetary value are intertwined.

Art is very subjective, and money is a facilitator of the value we place on it.

If you are going to argue, then please present some evidence to back up your argument. Please do not let us know how you feel about the Simpsons, Taz cartoons, etc.

When you allow your emotions to dominate your argument, it becomes meaningless.

Nobody gives a rats ass what you think or feel.

Since art is subjective, then why doesn't the NEA give money to Brittney Spears to make records?

Simple, they do not have to, because society values what she produces.

It is narrow minded folks such as yourself that want society to bear the cost for what YOU value.

Your view is very selfish.

Would such things like doggy-shit sculptures and Palestinian poetry exist without the government?

NO, because greater society does not place any value in such things.

If you value such things, then you should pay the cost. :ak47:

Probably never had the desire to travel anywhere I'll bet.

I have worked as a roadie. I have travelled ALL of the USA. For fun I backpack in Mexico. I want to visit Thailand and HK. Why would not having a desire to go to Asstralia mean I have no desire to go anywhere and have been nowhere?

Why does everyone hate the USA? Because there is so much to hate! We allow allmost all religions, so any other faction can hate us for that. We have a wide racial diversity, and people hate that (can't be mixing up tribal boundaries.) There is a lot of room for personal expression, which inevitably will offend people. Personally I feel if you aren't offending someone, then you aren't trying hard enough. We have money, and anyone without money will hate the guys with money. I know this as a fact.

Yes we bully people around and do what we have to get our way. We also feed millions of people who aren't ours, and take in millions more into our economy. We aren't perfect, but I don't think I will be moving anytime soon.

There are some other great countries to live in, but we are still the place people want to go because you can pull off the American dream if you move here, even if you aren't American by birth.

I will stop now, because this is turning into a patriotic rant, but we rock, and we suck. That is just the way things are. No place is perfect. We just happen to be the big target for the world.

So you've been to Mexico?

That's it?

Bwahahahahaahahahaha!

So great art is determined by what people are willing to pay for it and the revenue that said art generates, and shitty art is art that people will not pay for? Correct?




Sorta like when you refer to me as Mohammed?



Wrong, you value what you are told to value. If music corporations didnt ram their creation down your throat, you would never even know she existed.

Her "art" got her nowhere. She is the creation, not the creator. She does not write "her" music, she does not play the instruments, she is a mere puppet giving your kind what they want. Similar to the fulfillment a Big Mac brings.

Using the Raider Mort Theory of Artistic Value, if MTV told you that Hello Kitty was the pinnacle of high art and you and all your friends run out and spend ridiculous amounts of money on Hello Kitty merch... who really placed the value on said art Mr Mort? Society at large? Or the herder that told you Hello Kitty was the shit?



And what would that be exactly?




You are right. Art would not exist without government funding.

Yeah. So far my travels have been limited to Mexico, USA and Canada. But I've covered them pretty well. Thailand and especially HK cost $$$ to travel to from here and I simply haven't had the time or $$$. Parenthood. It'll be over soon and then I'll be able to go to Asia for an extended trip. Looking forward to it! You have metioned youth hostels. You travel like a tourist and meet mostly other tourists that way.

Seriously, forming an opinion about Americans on a porn webmaster message board that is called GoFuckYourself.com is not the best place to form an opinion. People on this board talk a lot of smack, try to push a lot of buttons, because they want to stir shit, and probably 90% it's just b.s. Myself included. For example, all the smack talked about Australia has mainly been to get at Joe. I don't think I've ever met a single fellow American who doesn't have an overwhelmingly positive view of Australia. They may not like Joe, but they like Australia.

As if the rest of the world doesn't make cracks about Americans, McDonald's, Budweiser, etc.

Do you believe everything you see on television? By statement like that, you don't come across as ignorant?

:eatmouse