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Evil Chris 01-15-2014 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lichen (Post 19945590)
You don't sound too smart.

It is a known fact that some Affiliate Programs jack your traffic source and then terminate you for some bullshit reason (thus avoiding paying you sales commission)

Sounds like you've been terminated at some point in the past.

Tom_PM 01-15-2014 11:21 AM

The bottom line is going to be the bottom line. So if you're not causing giant problems and you're making sales that stick, nobody is going to risk losing you over that IMHO.

On the flipside, no matter if someone see's your source or not and you suck at making a single sale that sticks, plus get charge backs higher than average, you're going to be gone.

money biz 01-15-2014 11:28 AM

sponsors do jack your traffic sources. Use https redirects.

Klen 01-15-2014 11:58 AM

If you buy traffic,then hidding source of it it's must do it,as that is easiest way to clone it.Also if you found se keywords which doe'snt have much competition and it's easy to rank.

PR_Glen 01-15-2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19945753)
most of the biggest sponsors do it, they do not term your account or anything like that but they will copy your methods, purchase keywords and buy the traffic you were buying only after you did it first.

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Originally Posted by Lichen (Post 19945644)
They leave all the small webmasters alone, but check on the whale webmasters.

If you're dumb enough to not disguise your traffic, you're gonna get jacked.

Neither of these make any sense for an affiliate program that wanted to last more than a few months. How would any program survive with tactics like these?

ravo 01-15-2014 06:12 PM

I've been buying traffic for years, and I've seen all sorts of attempts at blocking referring URLs and sources. In a majority of the cases, it was someone trying to hide some fraudulent method of sending clicks or signups. Not all are fraud, but I certainly take a closer look.

And, really, it's all moot. Because, it's pretty easy for me to figure out what the real URL or source of the traffic is anyway. I can't think of a method that's 100% foolpoof.

It all comes down to picking good affiliates, and good programs, and building up a sense of trust. Any good program will encourage whale affiliates to send more traffic. Because, usually, once a whale, always a whale. The whales are the smart guys you want to do business with long term.

Matyko 01-16-2014 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19945613)
You truly believe that you or anyone else have traffic sources that programs aren't aware of already?

originality doesn't exist.

Dear Glen. YES, I truly believe this. And its not that simple, and you KNOW IT. Sponsors might be aware of a specific traffic source, but wouldn't give a Flying Fuck until they see that an affiliate uses it With Good Conversion/Sales. NOW THEN they fucking jump on it. No one should deny this because this is the fucking reality I am an affiliate for ages and happens to me all the time. ALL THE TIME. I love you, but its totally lame to question this.... :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

Aka_Bluey 01-16-2014 02:00 AM

Check this out for those that think, it does not happen.

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Proof that Mark from GTS scams and steals from clients.
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1046...hlight=GTS+ADS

my buddy who had purchased traffic from GTS in the past approached Mark for advice on how well a couple of streams of traffic from GTS would work with his new website.

Mark gave his advice, said that he agreed with which traffic streams he thought would work best and he personally thought the site was killer and would convert well with that traffic.

Cut to a week later, my buddy finds an exact carbon copy of his website registered to Mark via GTS.

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The bottom line,

Mark directly stole from his customers.

As soon as the conversation ended with Mark, he ordered that the website be copied immediately and put up for business. It was an exact carbon copy, not a single letter of text was changed, same graphics, a complete and blatant rip off.

Mark is a liar, a con artist, and a thief. If you do business with him you are likely to get fucked.

Imagine what damage a crooked traffic broker could do to all his clients. This has huge implications. Any one who has a successful or high converting website running along side with GTSads, I would PULL IT IMMEDIATELY.

The guy got caught red handed sticking his hand in the cookie jar, and will do anything for money and profit he pleases, including fucking over and laughing at any one of his customers.

I hope this guys ego takes a major fucking hit.. and some of his ex employees come out about his underhanded business tactics and his willingness to lie, cheat, and steal.. even if it's from his own CUSTOMERS.

PR_Glen 01-16-2014 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 19946419)
Dear Glen. YES, I truly believe this. And its not that simple, and you KNOW IT. Sponsors might be aware of a specific traffic source, but wouldn't give a Flying Fuck until they see that an affiliate uses it With Good Conversion/Sales. NOW THEN they fucking jump on it. No one should deny this because this is the fucking reality I am an affiliate for ages and happens to me all the time. ALL THE TIME. I love you, but its totally lame to question this.... :2 cents: :2 cents: :2 cents:

then stop using programs that steal from you...

Barefootsies 01-16-2014 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 19945549)
If a sponsor will jack your methods, you should be using a different sponsor. 99 out of 100 spoofing / hiding urls are pushing fraud

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Originally Posted by atom (Post 19945567)
Every case of fraud I have found in our program over the last year has done exactly what you are intending to do. I don't think you are trying to be shady about it. Just giving you a sponsors point of view. Of course there are other variables we check besides just that, but, that is a HUGE red flag.

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Originally Posted by ravo (Post 19946201)
I've been buying traffic for years, and I've seen all sorts of attempts at blocking referring URLs and sources. In a majority of the cases, it was someone trying to hide some fraudulent method of sending clicks or signups. Not all are fraud, but I certainly take a closer look..

:2 cents: :2 cents:

Matyko 01-16-2014 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19946691)
then stop using programs that steal from you...

I don't want to do so because some of these programs convert well for me. I rather hide my URLs [but I am not doing so currently] and no one can simply copy our methods, they are not that simple.. Also: its not just about sponsors, but big free sites as well. Now that Roald, who I respect and like for long time is not @ FreeOnes I can tell that I hated how freeones killed their submitters.. Its understandable [yeeees, its their site, its their traffic], and I guess it was not Roald who found out those things/steps.. But its a fact that gallery submitters were able to make decent money by creating very fresh and unique and 'GOOD' galleries exclusively for them, and once they grow fukkin big they altered the model pages to a form that killed 95% [literally] of the income the submitters made.. :2 cents:

iSpyCams 01-16-2014 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 19946728)
I don't want to do so because some of these programs convert well for me. I rather hide my URLs [but I am not doing so currently] and no one can simply copy our methods, they are not that simple.. Also: its not just about sponsors, but big free sites as well. Now that Roald, who I respect and like for long time is not @ FreeOnes I can tell that I hated how freeones killed their submitters.. Its understandable [yeeees, its their site, its their traffic], and I guess it was not Roald who found out those things/steps.. But its a fact that gallery submitters were able to make decent money by creating very fresh and unique and 'GOOD' galleries exclusively for them, and once they grow fukkin big they altered the model pages to a form that killed 95% [literally] of the income the submitters made.. :2 cents:

This is one of the many things I don't worry about anymore since I became my own sponsor.

But ideally you should be able to work it out with your sponsor. I've done media buys in mainstream where the traffic seller just told me straight up: We are not going to let you know where the leads are coming from, that's confidential. If it's not working out for you then we'll adjust the price or the scrub but that's our traffic source and it's none of your business.

It wasn't a deal breaker for me, but I can see how it would be for some, especially depending how badly they've been burned in the past.

SCORE Ralph 01-16-2014 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by American Psycho (Post 19945083)
does anyone here know how to hide the referring URL when sending an sponsors traffic?

Sounds like you run a legit operation. :pimp

Roald 01-16-2014 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 19946728)
I don't want to do so because some of these programs convert well for me. I rather hide my URLs [but I am not doing so currently] and no one can simply copy our methods, they are not that simple.. Also: its not just about sponsors, but big free sites as well. Now that Roald, who I respect and like for long time is not @ FreeOnes I can tell that I hated how freeones killed their submitters.. Its understandable [yeeees, its their site, its their traffic], and I guess it was not Roald who found out those things/steps.. But its a fact that gallery submitters were able to make decent money by creating very fresh and unique and 'GOOD' galleries exclusively for them, and once they grow fukkin big they altered the model pages to a form that killed 95% [literally] of the income the submitters made.. :2 cents:

Hey hey, I know and it's a decision we made along the line. You could also say on the other hand that we never charged webmasters like all the other sites did ;)


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