It would of grown no matter who was in office. Wars are expensive, interest on the debt, new large depts like homeland security. Also a growing population. Tax laws with holes you can drive a truck thru. It all adds up. But its ok a Republican will come in as president spend like crazy and you will cheer. They run the The Santa Claus theory on people and they eat it up every time.

Tony, It's Democratic President Barack Hussein Obama at the helm. He has been there now for over 5 years. We haven't been at war since he was elected. We are an occupying force in Afghanistan. If it were important to him he would've left there the first year of his term.
It wasn't important. As a matter of fact increasing the US role of world police is important to him. He is responsible for this debt. Not Scott Walker, not Chris Christie or Mitt Romney

This is all on Obamas watch.

Why do you people defend this clown.

Us against them. Rah rah rah.

Works great for high school football games and warring countries.

Which is funny to think about. From the same person, you will hear the following two statements:
A) Iran is not bad, they are just peaceful people that our government has painted as evil so that we hate them and want a war.
B) Republicans are evil, they are destroying the country and the world, bring out the guillotines.

Do we see any irony in those statements? Any?

Bueller?

I'm sure that some people think that Walmart paying slave wages and keeping it's workforce on federal welfare is a success too.

The only sensible thing is the part were they raised more money with taxes. Proof that tax money brings in money (cough). Lets all agree to return tax rates to sensible levels instead of these temporary but never ending Bush tax cuts for the rich. Finally, something to agree on.

Bingo. All Dems care about is their "team". All Repubs care about is their "team".

What they don't understand is...the politicians are all on the same "team". The team that is fleecing the citizens.

And Pres. Obama has been in charge for 5 LONG years of "recovery" that never came. This is HIS economy and has been for a while now.

He is a failure. I don't give a damn if he is Democrat or Republican. He's weak and a total failure.

I still haven't met even one Walmart employee on "welfare". I know there are lots of senior citizens who work at Walmart to supplement their social security checks. Maybe that's where the "Govt. assistance" stats come from?

I know 2 girls that work the checkout at Walmart personally. They aren't on welfare. Matter of fact I first met them at Revolver (nightclub) at Santa Fe Station. They both have cars, cellphones, and apartments. And like most people they are part of a 2 income "family" (they both have boyfriends they live with).

I was at Walmart last night. I was greeted at the door by an elderly lady who is definitely getting a social security check and working to make more money.
I asked for help to find something from a young black woman who worked there.

Working the checkout was a young lady.

All of them had nice jewelry, makeup, hair done nicely, nice watches...nothing extravagant, but definitely not what anybody would call "poor".

"Slave" wages? Starting pay at minimum wage for an unskilled labor position is NOT "slave wages".
If you don't like the easy job at Walmart, you can always go stand in line at "ManPower" and hope someone stops and picks you for a crew to dig ditches or fence posts for minimum wages and hard labor.

Where do you get your freakin' work ethic from anyway?

Some of you guys weren't raised right. Go to work. Earn your way. Stop expecting the world to give you something. You aren't owed ANYTHING.

nicely done! now he can pay back all those loans

It is nicely done, Richard. People that understand finance don't pay off loans. They manage their debt. They restructure and refinance at the right time. If you knew how much money I owe, you would puke in your mouth. And if you knew how much money people owe me you would puke in your mouth again,

What happens when you manage your debt and your revenue correctly like Gov. Walker has in Wi is that you can pay off some things when the timing is right you can purchase other things when the timing is right. When you run things like Obama does, that option is taken away. Obama plays defense. Walker plays offense.

Walker is managing the states wealth. And anyone that can read a P&L and a balance sheet recognizes that.

i do anyway.

still have the puke from the first time

your boy was recorded planning the use of agent provocateur, and i believe they eventually found ammo cases in the crowd

anyway, good luck with the 'chartered schools'

I know you still have puke in your mouth Richard. There is no doubt you are being very honest about that.

I don't have any idea what you are talking about in the rest of your post, but that's not unusual. You are consist in being slightly esoteric.:pimp

New site for peakbucks, rich guys puking into other rich guys mouths after talking about how much money they are owed and owe. Should sell like crazy. Not sure if visa will allow it though sadly

with your local politics?

not my problem

You are missing the mark. It's not the people that understand finance that are puking in their mouths over things they don't or can't comprehend. It's the guys at the opposite end of the spectrum.

This is only partially true.

You are very quick to blame Obama for our deficit, but fail to mention that the Bush administration nearly doubled the debt then left office with the country in a massive free falling recession. With the condition the country was in after Bush left office, the deficit was only going to go up no matter who was in office.

He's a douche who promised to help Wisconsin create 250,000 jobs by 2015 and then continues to waste taxpayer money by travelling all over the state in order to jump in front of the cameras whenever this business here creates 5 jobs or that business there hires 12 more employees.

You are a total fucking asshole. :2 cents:

I am only very quick to blame Obama for not even trying anything to reduce the debt. He simply ignores it like it doesn't exist.

You won't find a post I've ever made supporting wild spending from any president, I have been here for 12+ years and we knew each other 3-4 years before GFY opened.
It hasn't happened and it never will. I didn't support the war spending in Iraq. I sure didn't support 12 years in Afghanistan. I do not support Obamacare.

Spectrum?

There is a micron-thin dark black band on the first .0000001% of the bar graph followed by a very light silver thin band covering the rest of the first 1%. Then a nearly identical shade of gray from the 2% Mark to the 100% Mark. That's some "spectrum" ain't it?

Your definition of spectrum may suit you but it's not in the context of my statement.

Regardless,that being said, what side of the spectrum would you prefer to be on.

One of the 85 or one of the rest?

pot :2 cents:

Wow! :eek2

You done jumped the shark.

Bigtime.
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Right back atcha :thumbsup

ooohh BURN

really? Tell me how I defend him.
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Debt doesn't counter back to zero when a new president comes in. There is also compounding interest on the debt. The war is over? lol And again the lowest level of spending to gdp since ike and you are like no. When its a fact. They laid off over 800k workers. But facts ruin the talking points. Because if you thought about it of course he is spending alot less congress holds the purse strings, he cant just write checks all by himself.

We are not talking about how nice of a guy Obama is. We are talking about a $trillion dollars a year in additional debt with no cares in the world about how to pay it back.
Obama doesn't care. He is more than fine with letting our grandchildren deal with.
All the excuses in the world don't change it. We were in Vietnam. We have had oil embargos..2 world wars. a depression. The country has always found a leader that worked on solutions to pay off these events.

We don't have that leader now. And the national debt proves that.

Lol! Yeah he's exactly the kind of leader republicans vote for.

Mark, you should really just back away and take a deep breath. If you have declined to a point where you look at success as a bad thing, there really isn't anything to discuss.

You and _____Richard_____ need to make your own thread and spend your time tossing stupid one-liners back and forth at each other...while you giggle and LOL with glee. It would be entertaining, for 10 minutes or so.

But there was not ANY possibility of reducing the deficit. Period. It just wasn't possible. Business came screeching to a halt, and the only thing that kept us going was that the government was spending money.

But because all you want to do is bash Obama, you will never admit this.

You think Romney would have done better? All Romney has ever done is borrow money from other people.

And you believe that?
How did we payoff WWI
,WW2,Korea,Vietnam, the first gulf war?

Obama has given anyone that works with finance too much ammunition not to be bashed. And bashed hard. His policies are a disaster and his leadership capacity is a joke.

I know Romney would've done better with the economy. He has learned how to make and manage money. Tell me again, what Obama has done in his life?

Forget Romney and Ryan .....

People can bash Obama all they want to deflect attention away from Scott Walker or any other elected Republican in these topics, but Reality and the Truth of the situation will never change ........ the U.S. economy was piledriven into the ground as a direct result of 8 years of neglect by and policies of the Bush administration.

Just be thankful we were spared 4 years of McCain and Palin fucking it up a thousand times worse than it is now, which is a hell of lot better than it was when Obama took office.

I noticed the people who really, really hate Obama throw the Hussein in there when mentioning his name. There's some insinuation of something there. I wonder what it is.

What are you insinuating? :winkwink:

Wow, you know Romney would have done better. Must really suck for you that the American public disagreed and your boy Romney lost in his second quest for the Presidency to Obama.

What has Obama accomplished?

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Continued...you can read the rest here (200+ more items):

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ADG

Clearly it means I am racist. Or it means that's his name. Are you embarrassed about the presidents name? Barack Hussein Obama?

I don't really,really hate Obama. I don't like him as president. I think he was as wrong as a person for the job at this time in history that there could've been. And the results of his 5 years in office make a good case for this statement.

The guy has evolved from a no-experience community activist with lofty ambitions and charisma to someone that simply goes on television and lies to the people. He has no concern about the national debt. Most of his advisors have left him for various reasons. His popularity index is about where Bush's was at this time in his presidency and Obama didn't have to deal with the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.

Bush screwed up royally with Iraq. I do believe that his reasons were absolutely wrong for going there, but the end result will be looked in the future as correct. Saddam Hussein wanted to control all the oil in the middle-east. There was no question about that.

So if you are thrilled with Obama's performance so far it says more about you than me. At least I am honest about why I don't like him.

It didn't suck for me. What sucked for me was the weather today. I was supposed to go to Saginaw MI. for a meeting and the pilot called this morning and said it was too cold to take the plane out. So I am here in the office today, with basically not a lot to do.

All your graphics are cute, but i've seen them all before. Nothing has changed beyond adding another $trillion in debt since they were first designed. And how many more troops have been killed or wounded in Afghanistan? I've lost count. Do you think we really need to be there?

No idea why Obama Good / Bad has anything to do with Walker Good / Bad.

For the record, Obama has been terrible at moving the country in the right direction. Bush was fantastic at moving the country in the wrong direction. Bickering over which is better is kind of pointless. Both have sucked with an historic level of intensity.

You liberals are delusional.

Item 1 Passed Obamacare = total disaster
Item 4 Ended War in Iraq = not true as in the past few months is flaring up again.

Thats just for starters. I'm not going to waste time with the rest of it as its all worthless drivel.

too bad RomneyCare exists, and was attempted long before 'ObamaCare'..

shouldn't they come up with different names for these things? easier to hide

Item 4 isn't true even without a flareup. The drawdown was scheduled prior to Obama being sworn in.

Yes, I do believe this.

During a massive recession our government has two options - inaction, or spend money. A lack of action results in a stagnate economy, which is the worst possible thing a country can do during a recession of this size. The only thing our government can do is spend money - it is the only thing that kept our economy going.

You mean more than Bush? Because when he took over in the White House our economy was pretty good, he nearly doubled our debt, AND ran the country into the ground.

Do you see what I'm saying - Obama increase our debt to kept our economy going and you are bitching, but the last Republican in office doubled our debt AND rant he country in the ground.

Sure sure. All Romeny does is borrow money to buy something that isn't is, and then charge huge fees to run companies into the ground. If he made it to the White House, he would borrowed yet more money, increased his salary, and continue to run it into the ground.

Out of curiosity. When buying something, if you aren't buying "what isn't yours," what exactly are you buying? Are you buying something from yourself?

You didnt even read what I wrote who said he was nice? A leader like IKE who said we arent lowering taxes we cant afford it? Or Truman who almost doubled min wage? or a leader like Dick Cheney who said deficits dont matter.

How about galvanizing the country with the launch of a massive expensive healthcare program during this great recession? You do realize that was his defining moment. Telling the 49% of the country that didn't vote for him to basically pound sand.

Somehow is it possible to have any words about Obama without George Bush? 5 years now.

It's obvious your lifeswork has not taken you into the world of dealing with larger amount of debt and revenue. So if I have to explain it over and over then you don't understand.
Maybe talk to a local business person. Someone you trust and has experience handling money. Sit with him, listen to him...don't be argumentative,just listen. You will learn something.

I know you would rather talk about Obama, but since this thread is supposed to be about Scott Walker, what exactly are college dropout Scott Walkers' accomplishments?

He has been running for political offices since he was 22, and he has essentially been a "career politician" his whole life (which I thought right-wingers disdained). And the way Walker fawned over, and tried to brown-nose a person who he thought was David Koch in a taped prank call is telling about Walker on so many levels (much like Romney's secret 47% speech that helped torpedo his campaign).

Since you are from Wisconsin Minte, I am sure you have heard of at least a few of the scandals involving Walker and his appointed aides ("John Doe Investigation", etc).



You honestly think Scott Walker has accomplished more than Obama? :1orglaugh

Academically, professionally, and in politics, President Obama's accomplishments dwarf the divisive politics of Governor Scott Walker.

It is funny how Walker is trying to position himself as either a Christie running mate, or if Chris falls because of his own scandals, then he hopes to pick up Christie's base.

I'm pretty sure that Walker's staunch anti-abortion stance, and positions on other women's issues will doom him if he should run for President in 2016, especially if the son of a preacher man ends up running against a woman (say, Hillary Clinton):

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ADG

I wasn't alive during Trumans term, a tiny baby during Ikes. so what was the rest of the country about then, I can't say. And without living then i don't know what the context of those statement are about. From what I have read about both of them they were good presidents. Truman wasn't liked much however.

Cheney is wrong. It doesn't take a Harvard Business Major to figure out you can't spend more than you make for very long.

You are missing the mark! I make weird fetish sites!

The thread was about turning Wi around financially. He ran on that, he ran again at the recall on that and twice he beat strong democratic contenders. This is in a democratic state.
He did what he said he would do, he was vilified for what was going to happen because of those promises and they were wrong. Walker was right. He took some serious blows and didn't flinch.

I do not agree with his conservative position on abortion and most of the rights religious stances. But as a leader what does that actually matter? The supreme court decided roe v wade. The church is it's own worst enemy.

What I care about in a leader he has achieved.
He took a position and saw it through. None of the union people lost jobs. They are simply now paying for the benefits that the rest of us taxpayers in the state have to pay for.

He is not a Harvard professor, or a wall street icon. He is a common man from Milwaukee that came up through the ranks and learned to work with people as much as possible.

You realize that Palin would have had zero influence on anything . . . . like Biden and every other Veep

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he is a serious buyer.