Forget Romney and Ryan .....

People can bash Obama all they want to deflect attention away from Scott Walker or any other elected Republican in these topics, but Reality and the Truth of the situation will never change ........ the U.S. economy was piledriven into the ground as a direct result of 8 years of neglect by and policies of the Bush administration.

Just be thankful we were spared 4 years of McCain and Palin fucking it up a thousand times worse than it is now, which is a hell of lot better than it was when Obama took office.

I noticed the people who really, really hate Obama throw the Hussein in there when mentioning his name. There's some insinuation of something there. I wonder what it is.

What are you insinuating? :winkwink:

Wow, you know Romney would have done better. Must really suck for you that the American public disagreed and your boy Romney lost in his second quest for the Presidency to Obama.

What has Obama accomplished?

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Continued...you can read the rest here (200+ more items):

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

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ADG

Clearly it means I am racist. Or it means that's his name. Are you embarrassed about the presidents name? Barack Hussein Obama?

I don't really,really hate Obama. I don't like him as president. I think he was as wrong as a person for the job at this time in history that there could've been. And the results of his 5 years in office make a good case for this statement.

The guy has evolved from a no-experience community activist with lofty ambitions and charisma to someone that simply goes on television and lies to the people. He has no concern about the national debt. Most of his advisors have left him for various reasons. His popularity index is about where Bush's was at this time in his presidency and Obama didn't have to deal with the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks.

Bush screwed up royally with Iraq. I do believe that his reasons were absolutely wrong for going there, but the end result will be looked in the future as correct. Saddam Hussein wanted to control all the oil in the middle-east. There was no question about that.

So if you are thrilled with Obama's performance so far it says more about you than me. At least I am honest about why I don't like him.

It didn't suck for me. What sucked for me was the weather today. I was supposed to go to Saginaw MI. for a meeting and the pilot called this morning and said it was too cold to take the plane out. So I am here in the office today, with basically not a lot to do.

All your graphics are cute, but i've seen them all before. Nothing has changed beyond adding another $trillion in debt since they were first designed. And how many more troops have been killed or wounded in Afghanistan? I've lost count. Do you think we really need to be there?

No idea why Obama Good / Bad has anything to do with Walker Good / Bad.

For the record, Obama has been terrible at moving the country in the right direction. Bush was fantastic at moving the country in the wrong direction. Bickering over which is better is kind of pointless. Both have sucked with an historic level of intensity.

You liberals are delusional.

Item 1 Passed Obamacare = total disaster
Item 4 Ended War in Iraq = not true as in the past few months is flaring up again.

Thats just for starters. I'm not going to waste time with the rest of it as its all worthless drivel.

too bad RomneyCare exists, and was attempted long before 'ObamaCare'..

shouldn't they come up with different names for these things? easier to hide

Item 4 isn't true even without a flareup. The drawdown was scheduled prior to Obama being sworn in.

Yes, I do believe this.

During a massive recession our government has two options - inaction, or spend money. A lack of action results in a stagnate economy, which is the worst possible thing a country can do during a recession of this size. The only thing our government can do is spend money - it is the only thing that kept our economy going.

You mean more than Bush? Because when he took over in the White House our economy was pretty good, he nearly doubled our debt, AND ran the country into the ground.

Do you see what I'm saying - Obama increase our debt to kept our economy going and you are bitching, but the last Republican in office doubled our debt AND rant he country in the ground.

Sure sure. All Romeny does is borrow money to buy something that isn't is, and then charge huge fees to run companies into the ground. If he made it to the White House, he would borrowed yet more money, increased his salary, and continue to run it into the ground.

Out of curiosity. When buying something, if you aren't buying "what isn't yours," what exactly are you buying? Are you buying something from yourself?

You didnt even read what I wrote who said he was nice? A leader like IKE who said we arent lowering taxes we cant afford it? Or Truman who almost doubled min wage? or a leader like Dick Cheney who said deficits dont matter.

How about galvanizing the country with the launch of a massive expensive healthcare program during this great recession? You do realize that was his defining moment. Telling the 49% of the country that didn't vote for him to basically pound sand.

Somehow is it possible to have any words about Obama without George Bush? 5 years now.

It's obvious your lifeswork has not taken you into the world of dealing with larger amount of debt and revenue. So if I have to explain it over and over then you don't understand.
Maybe talk to a local business person. Someone you trust and has experience handling money. Sit with him, listen to him...don't be argumentative,just listen. You will learn something.

I know you would rather talk about Obama, but since this thread is supposed to be about Scott Walker, what exactly are college dropout Scott Walkers' accomplishments?

He has been running for political offices since he was 22, and he has essentially been a "career politician" his whole life (which I thought right-wingers disdained). And the way Walker fawned over, and tried to brown-nose a person who he thought was David Koch in a taped prank call is telling about Walker on so many levels (much like Romney's secret 47% speech that helped torpedo his campaign).

Since you are from Wisconsin Minte, I am sure you have heard of at least a few of the scandals involving Walker and his appointed aides ("John Doe Investigation", etc).



You honestly think Scott Walker has accomplished more than Obama? :1orglaugh

Academically, professionally, and in politics, President Obama's accomplishments dwarf the divisive politics of Governor Scott Walker.

It is funny how Walker is trying to position himself as either a Christie running mate, or if Chris falls because of his own scandals, then he hopes to pick up Christie's base.

I'm pretty sure that Walker's staunch anti-abortion stance, and positions on other women's issues will doom him if he should run for President in 2016, especially if the son of a preacher man ends up running against a woman (say, Hillary Clinton):

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ADG

I wasn't alive during Trumans term, a tiny baby during Ikes. so what was the rest of the country about then, I can't say. And without living then i don't know what the context of those statement are about. From what I have read about both of them they were good presidents. Truman wasn't liked much however.

Cheney is wrong. It doesn't take a Harvard Business Major to figure out you can't spend more than you make for very long.

You are missing the mark! I make weird fetish sites!

The thread was about turning Wi around financially. He ran on that, he ran again at the recall on that and twice he beat strong democratic contenders. This is in a democratic state.
He did what he said he would do, he was vilified for what was going to happen because of those promises and they were wrong. Walker was right. He took some serious blows and didn't flinch.

I do not agree with his conservative position on abortion and most of the rights religious stances. But as a leader what does that actually matter? The supreme court decided roe v wade. The church is it's own worst enemy.

What I care about in a leader he has achieved.
He took a position and saw it through. None of the union people lost jobs. They are simply now paying for the benefits that the rest of us taxpayers in the state have to pay for.

He is not a Harvard professor, or a wall street icon. He is a common man from Milwaukee that came up through the ranks and learned to work with people as much as possible.

You realize that Palin would have had zero influence on anything . . . . like Biden and every other Veep

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he is a serious buyer.

Easy. A leveraged buyout.

From Rolling Stone:

Romney and Bain avoided the hostile approach, preferring to secure the cooperation of their takeover targets by buying off a company's management with lucrative bonuses. Once management is on board, the rest is just math. So if the target company is worth $500 million, Bain might put down $20 million of its own cash, then borrow $350 million from an investment bank to take over a controlling stake.

But here's the catch. When Bain borrows all of that money from the bank, it's the target company that ends up on the hook for all of the debt.

Now your troubled firm ? let's say you make tricycles in Alabama ? has been taken over by a bunch of slick Wall Street dudes who kicked in as little as five percent as a down payment. So in addition to whatever problems you had before, Tricycle Inc. now owes Goldman or Citigroup $350 million. With all that new debt service to pay, the company's bottom line is suddenly untenable: You almost have to start firing people immediately just to get your costs down to a manageable level.

"That interest," says Lynn Turner, former chief accountant of the Securities and Exchange Commission, "just sucks the profit out of the company."

Fortunately, the geniuses at Bain who now run the place are there to help tell you whom to fire. And for the service it performs cutting your company's costs to help you pay off the massive debt that it, Bain, saddled your company with in the first place, Bain naturally charges a management fee, typically millions of dollars a year. So Tricycle Inc. now has two gigantic new burdens it never had before Bain Capital stepped into the picture: tens of millions in annual debt service, and millions more in "management fees." Since the initial acquisition of Tricycle Inc. was probably greased by promising the company's upper management lucrative bonuses, all that pain inevitably comes out of just one place: the benefits and payroll of the hourly workforce.

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In short, they buy a company with borrowed money, run it into the ground, sell off what they can at a profit, charge huge consulting fees to do it, and then the rest goes into bankruptcy.

It's beautiful. You buy something with someone else's money, sell off what you can for a huge profit, charge everyone a tens of millions in consulting fees, and then leave everyone else holding the bill.

Well they helped to pay off WW2 with the Victory Tax of 1942. They also had substantially higher taxes for WW1 (77% highest rate), WW2 (up to 94% highest rate), Korea (92% highest rate and Vietnam (77%). The gulf war only cost the US $24 billion. In contrast the Iraq/Afghanistan wars have cost 3.2 Trillion. Slight difference.

And to answer the last question. Obama is a 2 term president of the United States. A slightly larger accomplishment then you, or Romney, ever had. But keep living in that Republican dream world.

Victory tax? Say what?

At first I thought you were on crack. But it seems you are correct sir:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1942

Learn something every day.

Yeah, Scott Walker is real good at working with people - his benefactors, rich people (teachers, union workers, and women, not so much).

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Walker is a populist demogauge, so I imagine by the time he is done robbing Peter to pay Paul (if you know anything about the smoke and mirrors job he is pulling on the WI budget), and his current term is up, I have a feeling that the voters of Wisconsin are going to turn on Walker.

Let's talk about some of Walker's other promises (besides Union busting, which he is best known for), such as Walker's promise to create 250,000 new jobs in his first term:

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From PolitiFact:

The only reason Scott Walker is known on the national political scene is because of his divisiveness. :2 cents:

Ask Chris Christie, the bully act only gets you so far, and then people turn on you.

To summarize, Scott Walker is a not very bright puppet that has sold out to corporate masters.

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ADG

So he borrowed $2 billion and promised to create 250k new jobs, and only got 4k new jobs in one month?

Sounds like a winner to me.

Wrong. "Right Wingers" LOVE lifetime/career politicians. Most of the "Right Winger" politicians ARE lifetime/career politicians....just like the Democrats.

Dems and Republicans love it! Why not? It gives THEM power over the people.

Nope, Democrat and Republicans will always want to be career politicians and bureaucrats.

Only TRUE liberal minded folks see the folly of that. True liberals (hippies in the 1960's for instance) realized that you can NOT trust the govt.

LBJ sent our youth to their death in Vietnam for...nothing.

Bush sent our youth to their death (though not as many of them) for...nothing.

Both parties are in it for power.

Once you take off your blinders and think for yourself, you'll see that.

As a TRUE liberal by the name of Bob Dylan once sang:
"I'm on the pavement thinkin' about the Government"

Think about what he is saying in that one line. He is on the "pavement". In other words he's as low as you can go, the bottom. While the govt. (you know, the U.S. govt. which is wealthier than all the "1%" combined) is above him.

Open your eyes ADG. I know you want to be a good person. But you are not really, really thinking with an open mind. You are too "team oriented" toward the Democrat Party.

Leave them. Join another party. The Green Party might suit you. Or better yet, NO party at all. You won't be able to vote in primaries, but you would be able to vote in general elections. Then you could simply vote for the right person (if they even exist in the corruption of politics) instead of a party line vote.

That's a little misleading, because after Obama became President and started turning the country around from the fiscal mismanagement of the Bush Administration, which had plunged the country into the worst recession since the Great Depression, companies were able to add some jobs for which Walker takes credit (most politicians play that game), and so WI experienced some gains in employment. Also, the WI unemployment rate is lower than the national average.

A big problem for Walker is that the jobs being created by WI are mostly not in manufacturing (good middle class jobs).

If Walker fails to make good on his jobs promise, it will be a major factor in his being a one-term Governor.

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ADG

so the state, which is one of the homes to the Union movement, had the lowest unemployment rate?

sounds like a good reason to push for more union busting.. but, i suppose, the police in the state have finally figured out what happens when they're the last union left

Seriously, Robbie I am not a Democrat, and unlike you, I never voted for Obama. :1orglaugh

If anyone is confused, I would say it is you with your born again Libertarianism nonsense.

Given that there are only two viable political options currently, yes, I am more supportive of the policies of Obama and the Democrats than the Republicans, simply because I see them as the lesser of two evils (with that said, I genuinely believe that Barack Obama has been the best President in my lifetime).

I harbor no illusion, the Republicans and Democrats are in collusion, and are merely two sides of the same coin. :2 cents:

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ADG

You think that Pres. Obama is the best Pres. of your lifetime?

That's cool. Everybody is free to have an opinion.

I think Kennedy was the best in my lifetime. Followed by Clinton and then Reagan.
They got results.

I believe that Obama has now taken last place just behind Carter as an effective Pres.
I do however deeply respect Carters' intellect and his post-presidency record.

As for your political leanings?
You sound a lot like a faux liberal to me. In other words a Democrat. And like most folks who are sheep to the 2 ruling parties, you seem scared to death of a third party that stands for individual freedom.
ADG, you were born to be a follower.

Hope you enjoy the view. :)

Now refute me with silly pictures (just like my teenage daughter does with her friends on facebook).
Or search the internet for some quote or story that makes you feel better.
ANYTHING except have an opinion of your own. :)

What are you 8 years old? That's all I have to say. Your posts are too goofy to take seriously. GO to Disney.com if you have this need to post all the stupid gifs.

oh shittttt.. things just got real

if ur not careful, he will challenge your ass to a bout of fisticuffs

You left out the big one.. They reigned in spending. Something this administration doesn't want to do. If you are impressed with Obama, good deal. His credentials to be president were at best weak and at worst nonexistent.

You can bet large I will keep living in my republican dream world. I'm having a great time. Having the ability to do whatever I want whenever I want is excellent. And doing it all first-class is even better. So you enjoy your democrat world of hope and change..who knows maybe it will.

Richard is going to come to WI to beat me up? You'll have to make it past my secretary first Richard.

Hos is it you guys never stop to ask the most obvious questions....

Aren't you ever curious?

Don't you ever wonder?

Why are "they" so delusional?
Why can't everyone see "we" are right?

How do you arrive at the conclusion that "they" must be crazy? Particularly when "they" represent 1/2 of the voting public and its actually quite an unreasonable conclusion.

Here is social psychologist Jonathan Haidt explaining the basics of discussions like these and the behaviors of both sides and the roots of those behaviors. I suppose its hard to sum up a few great books that are cumulatively 1000+ pages of reading including all the cited research studies and conclusions, but he does a pretty good job.

I have read all his books and its not simply a psychologist trying to offer an opinion. His life's work has centered on the study of morality and emotions. Our moral beliefs are at the heart of our decision making. He is constantly cited by neurologists, particularly when it comes to the origins of morality and the basic framework or template for morality which we are born with and comes pre-wired in our brains and related studies. (and yes, infants have a basic sense of right and wrong, understand care and harm, good and bad, that bad should be punished and so on. The research is actually quite fascinating. Babies are anything but a blank slate.)

Mr Haidt is a Liberal professor, he openly admits he leans well to the left on most issues. He also reveals in his books that his own research has opened his eyes to a lot of very disturbing facts when it comes to his worldview and that of Conservatives.

He explains the basic differences in world views between liberals and conservatives. (specifically at 17:30/18:00m).

This is not just his random and biased opinion. He is talking about the results of hundreds of thousands of surveys across cultures all over the globe. His book, "The Righteous Mind - Why good people are divided by politics and religion" would open any reasonable persons eyes to the stupidity and futility of these sorts of discussions which change no ones mind.... and more importantly, seeks to explain why.

To quote Mr Haidt "tribes, both bind and blind"

I know you aren't directing your comment at me but.... I do not believe the Obama is "the best president of my lifetime". In fact, I believe that Obama was a little known Senator with a rather unimpressive track record.

Obama is President now for two reasons:
1) The country was pissed at Republicans for the Bush administration and they fucked our country.
2) Because the Republican party failed to have a better candidate. (The Republican party got beat twice by an unknown black candidate with no viable track record - and that speaks volumes!)

Do think Obama has done good? Well, unemployment just slipped down to 6.7%, but I also wonder if my pet dog could have done better if we stopped feeding him the dry food. I honestly believe that any candidate could have steered us to where we are today. And anyone who says we are not better off today than when Bush left office, well, you are kidding yourself.

i am unable to decide on the right gif for this..

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or

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but since you complained the last time to the management about your very own comment..

He was addressing ADG; how could you arrive at the conclusion he was talking to you?

That being said, ADG is trolling with that remark.

Richard, you have this desire for violence. Why is that. Are you some kind of a badass?
Or a masochist.