*some* women secretly like role play with people they know and trust...note that role play is not the same as rape, like acting out a murder is not the same as an actual murder...

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That is valid point, but still. How do you define if you want it. Lets back to my example about femdom. Lets say you like when women kicks your balls and piss on you.
How do you know if you want it to happen without consent? Not like roleplaying but if that would happen in real life. You did not even think that it would be possible that actual woman would do that without her even knowing that you like that.
But lets say in some miracle world that would happen. maybe you would like that.
Does it mean that you "wanted" it?
If no than same thing might be valid for rape. If yes then its still what OP is asking about.

Or one more thing - you playing various role plays even can not know if you would want them to happen in real life without you knowing it. And only after it happens you would know if you enjoyed it or not.

Yes, It's rape. The woman likes it (secretly) and next day tells police she has been raped.

"Consensual non-consent" is the fetish term you're looking for, I think.

I am staggered you think that is OK...

I never said it was ok. I don't think.

It's a fucking debate, a question. A moral discussion. Some will agree, some will disagree.

I think OP's point is something like this:
Could it be possible that women would enjoy non consent rape.
Example: woman loves rape fantasy and enjoys role playing it. She does not "want" to get raped in reality. But if that happens could it possibly be that some of those women would enjoy it, like she would relive all those fantasies just with even "sharper" feelings because it is real.

I assume thats OP's question.

A girl I know told me she had that fantasy and asked if I wanted to try it. At her house safely, of course.. But I was like

That is NOT what you said or implicated -

No, it isn't rape. It's a false accusation.

If the woman likes it, it isn't rape, because at the time she is consenting.

So yeah, out of the population of the earth, I'd say there are some women who would actually get off on, and enjoy, being taken by a complete stranger who believes he is taking her against her consent, but... by her wanting that to happen, it isn't rape, regardless of what the 'rapist' thinks :2 cents:

How you interpret things is open to debate.

I'm sure any rape fantasy includes Brad Pitt, Clay Matthews, etc, not some sweaty loser slob with a knife.

What if she does not know that she would like that (so no consent at the moment when he starts raping her) but only afterwards she realizes that she liked that?

then that'd be different question to the OP. Though this one I'd find hard to believe could happen, and is a bit like saying and what if then, she assumed the power of flight, circled the globe, and squirted upon landing. You can add all the what if's you like, but the OP was the OP, and my posts in this thread are right :winkwink:

You are all fucking mad...

Having a discussion about rape on a forum like GFY should be treated the same as a discussion about CP here.....

Not tolerated in any way...

I know right and then you are like "what are these hidden cameras doing"

Hey buddy, Look you are 100% right but we are not talking about normal people. Just like people that like to be cut while having sex and bleed all over the place.
There are some fucked up people out there.
No normal person would ever want to be raped. I hope everyone agrees about that

Hmm that sounds exactly like the question in OP to me...

I mean OP is talking about enjoying being taken without consent. And you were talking about enjoying being taken with consent (as you specified).

Anyway why is it hard to believe?
Many women have rape fantasies and like to role play it. But not all of them know if they would like that if that actually happened. And if that happened it does not mean they are giving consent. Despite if they would enjoy it or not.

You can not want to be raped - :helpme:helpme:helpme...

You can fantasize about being taken roughly by the local - FILL IN THE BLANK - That is and never will be rape.....

Do I really need to explain that here?..

lol, now you are obviously arguing for the sake of it.

op: enjoy being taken without consent

if you are enjoying it, you WANT it to be happening, so you are CONSENTING so it cannot be rape because rape is NON-CONSENSUAL

if you are NOT enjoying it, it's beyond my rationale to imagine that the next day you realise you did enjoy it after all.

you seem to be confusing my argument that if a woman is enjoying it that it cannot therefore be rape, with someone who doesn't believe women have rape fantasies.

you also seem keen to draw out the 'argument' that doesn't exist with me, so see you later in another thread, another time...

lol, indeed - how is the level of comprehension in this thread so low? It's so cut and dried that it's the very definition of a black and white question/answer, yet people aren't understanding it, wtf?

But consent is ALWAYS being given BEFORE you start engaging.
And my point is that those women who have rape fantasies and like to role play thinks that they would not like it to happen in reality. So how can they give consent if they think they would not like that.
And only in the middle of the act they realize that they like it (as in their role plays).

you are drunk, right? Because I know you aren't dumb...

we aren't talking about women who think they wouldn't like it in reality as opposed to role-play, we are talking about women who want to actually be 'raped' by a stranger 'forcibly' - by the very act of them wanting it, they are consenting, so how the hell can it be classed as rape?

fuck, this is actually funny now

as for the 'and only in the middle do they realise blahblah' - you cannot possibly believe that? terrified, dry, helpless, but bam, all of a sudden she gets into it, starts gushing, and is up for it? lmfao, please......

But don't you get it that according to this logic OP question would not make any sense?
Like "do you think people secretly like being raped without being raped?"
Would OP ask such a question?

No, meaning that was not what Op was asking.

Not like that. Meaning that in general she thinks that she would not want that to happen. Meaning no consent. She did not even see the rapist before he attacked her so how on earth she could have given him consent?

That doesn't make any sense...

Exactly.

that's exactly what I'm saying - there is no logic/sense to the OP's question. you cannot 'want' to get raped, or 'like' actually being raped.

you have to be drunk.

Well you are notorious and self admitted drunk here so I should think the same. Because my point in that quote is pretty valid.
How could she give consent if:
a) she does not want to be raped.
b) she did not even see rapist before it is too late to give/deny consent. Because consent is being given BEFORE starting to engage in sex. It is impossible to give consent to unknown person who attacks you.

I know how you would argue with a) , but how can you argue with b)?

well, I haven't drank for a few years now :thumbsup and your point isn't valid at all, to anyone with a grasp of english, and what rape actually means.

a) you've lost me now, in what context?

b) most women don't say 'yes' prior to sex, but by the omission of 'no', and her actions, there is consent, or there isn't; most importantly within this conversation is what she is thinking - if she is enjoying it, then it isn't rape, by the very definition of what rape is.

you can't, by the definition of what rape actually is, want/like actual rape.

And I still can not believe how you do not grasp simple concept of people not knowing if they would enjoy it.

Lets say I am into femdom niche and I like women to kick my balls and then force me to have sex with her. So I prepare such roleplays and enjoy them

But I do not want it to happen in real life without me knowing it. And on the other hand I am not sure if I would not like that. I may like that. I do not know. But since I do not want it to happen in real life it means that I do not give consent.
And at the same time after it starts to happen I may enjoy it. It would not mean that I gave consent.
How is that difficult to understand?

ok with ya now. you'd know after kick 1 whether you enjoyed it or not, and would either consent to it continuing, or you would not.

you wouldn't endure a bollock kicking for x minutes/times, not like it, then the next day decide you did like it after all.

It's still not the same as what the op asked though.

Thats the whole point why you do not get OP's question.

Lets take 2 women:

Women A, she goes home, attacker pulls knife and forces her to have sex.

Women B, she goes home, attacker pulls knife and forces her to have sex.

Women A did not like that.
Women B always had rape fantasies and liked that.

Both instances were rapes. Exactly the same.
The fact that B women liked it does not change anything.
She did not give consent!

Thats the core thing you fail to understand.

If you say she gave consent to the attacker, explain how? And no, liking it does not mean she gave consent!
That's why you misinterpret Op.

lol. tell you what, you're right.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if a violent rapist rapes a woman who during said rape demonstrates in anyway that she is enjoying it, said rapist would probably take offence at losing control over the situation and begin bashing in her face. So, this futile exercise in theoretics is all for naught ..... unless you want to rewrite the equation by saying she secretly harbors fantasies of being severely beaten and hospitalized.

I think the OP meant "man-handled". Most women like to completely dominated(consensually) every now and then, but getting "raped", no way.