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I guess its obvious nobody on this thread wanted a real answer but there is an interesting thread on Reddit today: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comment...exual_assault/

Rape or forced sex is an incredibly common fetish among women according to all studies. Of course, nearly 100% of the time these are simply women who have a fetish for domination or rough sex who are acting out rape role playing scenarios that are discussed in advance and subject to some rules like limitations and safe words between a woman and her husband, boyfriend or male friends that she trusts. These are what BDSM people refer to as consensual non-consent.

However- and I know some people won't want to hear this- there are some very few women who like to live dangerously for whom a set up role playing rape scenario done with a male friend or boyfriend that they trust is not enough to satisfy their fetish for being forced or dominated.

I personally have known a female acquaintance who was a total sexual freak who told me that she had purposefully put herself in situations to get taken advantage of by a guy or guys who she didn't know at all or only barely knew through mutual friends specifically because she was bored with the play acted rape scenarios they had done previously. It just wasn't real or intense enough to set up it in a safe way with a guy she already knew according to what she told me.

She said that she had gotten raped like this two or three times by guys she met at a club or at a house party through friends with varying results that ended up with the horny guys forcing oral or vaginal sex on her despite her protestations of no and also some minor bruises, but no serious injury. She also told me she had never come so hard in her life from these encounters.

The important distinction here is that the guys involved in these forced sex acts had no consent as far as *they* knew when they forced themselves upon this woman, even though the woman herself might have anticipated something happening to her. They thought that they were just taking advantage of a seemingly drunk young girl and that they could get away with it. I know it sounds out there- but after twenty-three years in this business and meeting thousands of sex crazed young women with all kinds of fetishes and hang-ups I was not surprised in the least by this kind of fetish.

There are plenty of other examples of women who have written about doing similar things online, which I would consider examples of someone with a real rape fetish, not just a fetish for the more consensual domination. Of course, I'm not advocating anyone rape anyone else. But to deny that such a phenomenon exists along with so many other crazy sexual practices is disingenuous.

^ right, but the cries of 'no' weren't actually real were they - no matter what the 'rapist' thought. So that isn't actually a rape is it. The very definition of the word rape = against the woman's will - if she wants it to happen, creates a situation where it happens, says no hoping they won't actually stop, then excuse my confusion - how on earth is that against her true will?

This is a matter of semantics that you are getting into. But I think it's important to remember that there are at least two people who are involved in the sex act. The women who have this fetish specifically want it to be a true rape as far as the mindset of the male partner who ends up forcing himself on her even if she gets excited by it when it happens.

This, as opposed to a boring safe set-up scenario where she has discussed the role playing scene with a boyfriend or male friend who she already knows and trusts to put on an act. It's the unpredictability, danger and reality of it that makes it exciting. I think it's reasonable to call that a rape fetish. You are free to disagree with the phrase for politically correct reasons or because you just don't like the terminology.

I disagree purely for the fact it isn't actually rape, not because it's politically correct or not, or purely on terminolgy. one is a rape fetish (everything you described) which of course exists, one isn't. the title isn't do women enjoy rape fetish though, it's do women enjoy rape. By the very definition of it, that's impossible.

I really wish we could just get rid of this vile thread once and for all...

I appreciate what you're saying but it's not up to you personally or even any particular printed or online English dictionary to define how people want to use words. And as I tried to point out previously, you only seem to be looking at it from the perspective of the female. If the guy forcing himself on a stranger who has absolutely no consent thinks he is doing a rape, then that's a rape as far as he is concerned isn't it?

The amount of false rape claims reported in this country is staggering. No wonder police can't take most cases seriously.

Thing is, even when the woman has either admitted lying or got found out she was lying, most times nothing happens to her. Yet the guy who was falsely accused has to deal with the tag of being a rapist all his life. Happens way too often, yet you never hear much ever being said about it.

A woman recently made a claim against her grandfather, saying he did things to her when she was younger. Only to admit she made the whole thing up later, because she wanted money. Sickening. I hope someone in the family gives her a beating...

yeah, we should all be free to define any old word any way we like. By the way, my previous sentence actually meant "football and chips are great instead of soap".

And yes of course it is as far as the 'rapist' is concerned, but again, the question was do women secretly enjoy rape - I took that to mean looking at it from the female perspective, being someone who doesn't see a bunch of words and make up my own meaning of them :1orglaugh

Actually, that is the entire and only point of a dictionary.

cnn says yes

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/15/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2

Bingo. There is no reason for an argument here. Fact is there are plenty of women out there who have varying forms of rape fantasies and anonymous sex fantasies. Plenty of proof around if one cares to look. Problem is most women aren't comfortable with coming forward and confirming it right in your face, which is what most of those arguing would need as proof in order to shut them up about it.

And frankly there's nothing wrong with it. People have fantasies. Doesn't mean they want every single one fulfilled in reality. Fantasies are normal. People that get all worked up or outraged over the fantasies that others may or may not have are the ones who gall me the most.

So are we in agreement that some women never secretly like rape.

Some women have rape fantasies but the fantasy stops before it gets to reality and they would only fantasize about rape with a trusted person? - This seems a little contrived to me.

Women have orgasms during rape due to the heightened sense of arousal but they don't like it.

Rape can only be construed as rape is if "the woman doesn't want it". So if she says she doesn't want it but secretly does and tells the police and everyone around her that she doesn't want it but inside she did, it's still rape?

any source ?

Apparently you don't want an real answer to the OP question either. The link you posted only muddies the waters of the OP question. His question was "Do some women secretly like rape". He even added do some some women have fantasies about being raped. Many people have answered this post with the a resounding HELL NO.

The link you posted is about some people having orgasm while being raped or molested. This is not the same thing not even a little bit. Your link has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to be raped or even having a fantasy about being raped. It about the guilt of having an orgasm after some looser raped them.

BTW for those who still are not sure. Women do not want you to rape them! The few girls that tell you they have this fantasy are talking about role play not actually being raped by your dumb ass.

Well thank God you were here to clear that up, when I think of the millions of innocent minds that could have been led astray by my link not being a direct answer to the question posed in the thread title, I get down on my knees and I thank God for you, sir.

Sometimes I think that without self-righteous ass-hats like yourself talking down to everyone else, others might miss the reality that they are just a bunch of mindless children wandering aimlessly in harm's way.

You are a true hero of the internet and I salute you.

Not sure anyone in this thread is getting worked up or outraged over fantasies?

Its amazing that some people here need this pointing out to them.

No one needs it pointed out, it's just an opportunity for grandstanding assholes to feel like they are less fucked up than others.

I don't think it's that mate tbh, I think it's more bewilderment (in my case anyway) at not getting that rape, by definition, is unwanted. Role-play, fantasies, putting yourself in situations where it seems real to the attacker - all those are wanted, not unwanted, hence it stands to reason no woman can enjoy rape by definition :2 cents:

That's where my posts are coming from anyway.

And that is obvious to literally everyone. The OP made the thread troll and get people worked up, and you and others fell for it.

No they are coming from your compunction to seize an opportunity to point out that you, in contrast to others are a good person. Morally head and shoulders above anyone who doesn't come out and "take a stand" against rape, even though nobody is on the other side of your argument.

well no, I 'fell' for mineistaken's brilliant troll of not understanding the definition of rape, along with a few others. Fair play to them then, I got trolled, sue me.

lol ok course they are. go and read my posts again. do some women put themselves in situations where they can be 'raped', and enjoy it? I'd say (in fact I already have said) that's a big fat yes, considering the number of people on the planet, and all the fetishes/fantasies within us.

My posts have had fuck all to do with "taking a stand" against rape. No wonder this is 3 pages long if this is people's reading comprehension.

Well the question itself as posed by the OP is completely wrong so no answer can be "correct". But, its a troll so what can you really expect.

Rape itself is being redefined as we speak both legally and socially. Where it was once a matter of trespassing on another man's property (his wife or daughter) it eventually became having sex with a woman against her will under protest or resistance, and now its more having sex without explicit consent, and at certain ages without consent of her parents. And although the definition is broadening it still doesn't usually cover sexual abuse where the victim is male. So there is a lot of worthwhile discussion to be had on the subject and the boundaries of acceptable sexual behavior are being redrawn all the time, so I pay attention but usually have to cringe at all the ignorance.

Louis CK has a funny skit about this topic

Five out of six...well that's not so bad...wait, ooohhhhh...nevermind
 

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