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Nomarh

06-16-2014 07:25 PM

because i'm stoopid

Jayblack187

06-17-2014 03:24 AM

you cant stop people from copying content, even if you disable everything they will be away..

XMaster

06-17-2014 03:28 AM

we don't have this issue at virtuagirl :)

Focus

06-17-2014 05:11 AM

was going to type something long and then my high went off.

arock10

06-17-2014 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19969738)

While bandwidth costs have come down it's still a consideration for a smaller company and hosting has a lot to do with it. But what I meant was: if it costs MORE to stream-only (and it does) yet you do not see an uptick in rebills (or more revenue) then why bother? Let them download and save yourself the extra expense.

The issue tho is there's no real way to "know" how piracy and downloads affect revenue so therefore those who go with streaming-only are doing so because it makes them FEEL BETTER. ok.....I don't run my business based on "feelings" or "hunches". I know what streaming would cost me and I know what downloads (with limits) costs me. Now if someone has streaming-only and they can show me rebills of many months beyond what I get now with just downloads then I would be convinced to switch to streaming. LOL

There is no way bandwidth cost is a significant cost to a paysite these days. Maybe if you offer long hotlinkable mp4s but this has nothing to so with streaming within the members area

FINESEC

06-17-2014 06:36 AM

1) You can't really prevent image downloading:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2...image-download

2) Oviously you can protect your videos with DRM, but this is currently too dependent on 3rd party plugins/software (adobe flash/microsoft silverlight). We shall see what html5.1 brings though:
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...thinking.shtml
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/ra...ted-media.html

3) Currently the best way to prevent site-ripping is to set maximum download speed, maximum number of concurrent downloads and daily/monthly/total download limit.
http://finesec.com/massdownloading.html

Far-L

06-17-2014 11:34 AM

Three pages and no one has mentioned throttling excessive users coming in on trials or allowing un-capped use for longer term paying members?

Streaming cheaper than downloads? Not necessarily, depends on a number of factors, but bw I agree shouldn't be an issue nowadays as it was ten plus years ago.

The same way pirates can get around most security easily, content owners can also track their content with a reasonable effort as well. Achieve even enough Pyrrhic victories against them and the piracy becomes a non issue.

So...

It all comes down to catering to the customers.:2 cents:

... especially the paying ones...

SGS	06-17-2014 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 19969490)

I would love to hear of one person that has done done a proper download vs streaming test and streaming has resulted in better rebills and more overall revenue.

We have done *extensively*, a/b testing, different membership options, different resolution options for downloads (ei, HQ stream and very small download versions, etc) and for us downloads make a HUGE difference to both our conversions and retention. The poor guys running our CMS almost pulled their hair out while we did this too! :)

For us we make FAR more money offering both stream and download and this is business so both options stay. :2 cents:

Far-L

06-17-2014 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SGS (Post 20127666)

We have tested it extensively as well and found similar. Through testing and customer feedback we also figured out how to obviate/alleviate/obliterate the drawbacks of each as well.

With great problems come better solutions as far as we are concerned.

SGS	06-17-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 19969738)

While bandwidth costs have come down it's still a consideration for a smaller company and hosting has a lot to do with it.

Like it is with changing banks smaller companies nowhere near spend enough time to work out better deals on hosting and continually shop around for new hosts. This should be looked at on a three monthly basis and if you can save significant money for the *same* service (99 times out of 100 you can if you have been with the same host a number of years).

Times are changing and this is business. You should be continually looking at hosts and cutting deal after deal with your existing host. It's NOT a fixed cost to your business, it;s a variable that needs to be worked on!

SGS	06-17-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20127683)

We also *extensively* a/b test our mailers and social media too and the HUGE thing we found with our mailers was that putting the phrase "fully streaming *AND* downloadable versions of ALL of our videos" almost doubled our conversions.

Shap	06-18-2014 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS (Post 20127666)

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