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tony286 02-12-2014 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 19980417)
All jokes aside but how do you keep them black people quiet in the movie theater? Seriously.

The dude in the movie theater was white. and I do know what you are talking about, the trick is avoid those theaters. lol

JockoHomo 02-12-2014 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 19980417)
All jokes aside but how do you keep them black people quiet in the movie theater? Seriously.

Not possible. I simply stopped going to the theater although most of the movies are shit anyway so no big lose there. :thumbsup

Sadly the decline of American culture and indeed the world's culture overall is the glorification of this "thug" "ghetto" lifestyle. Part of that is the noise they call "music".

mineistaken 02-12-2014 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JockoHomo (Post 19980432)
Sadly the decline of American culture and indeed the world's culture overall is the glorification of this "thug" "ghetto" lifestyle. Part of that is the noise they call "music".

:thumbsup

Just Alex 02-12-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19980424)
The dude in the movie theater was white. and I do know what you are talking about, the trick is avoid those theaters. lol

Im not talking about this dude. In general how do you get those mother fuckers to shut up?
My cousin has has one of those dining movie theaters and its great. Keeps them out because you have to buy $30 worth of food and drinks.

nico-t 02-13-2014 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19977879)
There's nothing paranoid in getting pissed off about someone texting in a theater.

L-pink hit the nail on the head in the other thread, people are getting fed-up with the lack of common courtesy/respect.

yep i agree, it's best to shoot them then. :1orglaugh

dyna mo 02-13-2014 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 19981020)
yep i agree, it's best to shoot them then. :1orglaugh

Again, it's an observation, not a justification.

sperbonzo 02-13-2014 07:35 AM

What's sad is that the "stand your ground" law is invoked more often by black shooters that shoot other black people.... and yet the OP NEVER posts any of those cases.






"Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense.

Those who conclude the law is racially biased point to data compiled by the Tampa Bay Tribune, which collected 112 cases where people charged with murder relied on Florida's stand your ground law, from the first cases in 2006 to July 24 of this year. The Tribune's "shocking" claim: 72 percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white.

But this doesn't tell the whole story as blacks are overwhelmingly killed by other blacks. Thus, it is also true that blacks claiming self-defense under the stand your ground law are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. About 69 percent of blacks raising the stand your Ground defense were not convicted compared to 62 percent of whites.

If blacks are supposedly being discriminated against because their killers so often are not facing any penalty, it must also follow that they are being discriminated in favor of when blacks who invoke a stand your ground defense are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. Those who interpret the data as evidence of racism are cherry-picking numbers.

Simple averages also missed important differences in these cases. The Tribune data shows blacks killed in these confrontations were 13 percentage points more likely to be armed than whites. This suggests that those claiming that they were defending themselves often reasonably believed that they had little choice but to kill their attacker.

By a 43 to 16 percent margin, the blacks killed were also more often in the process of committing a crime."


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ground-defense



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pornguy 02-13-2014 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19977879)
There's nothing paranoid in getting pissed off about someone texting in a theater.

L-pink hit the nail on the head in the other thread, people are getting fed-up with the lack of common courtesy/respect.

Lack of. its come down to the fact that people have no manners any more or respect for anyone or anything.

L-Pink 02-13-2014 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19981115)
What's sad is that the "stand your ground" law is invoked more often by black shooters that shoot other black people.... and yet the OP NEVER posts any of those cases.






"Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense.

Those who conclude the law is racially biased point to data compiled by the Tampa Bay Tribune, which collected 112 cases where people charged with murder relied on Florida's stand your ground law, from the first cases in 2006 to July 24 of this year. The Tribune's "shocking" claim: 72 percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white.

But this doesn't tell the whole story as blacks are overwhelmingly killed by other blacks. Thus, it is also true that blacks claiming self-defense under the stand your ground law are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. About 69 percent of blacks raising the stand your Ground defense were not convicted compared to 62 percent of whites.

If blacks are supposedly being discriminated against because their killers so often are not facing any penalty, it must also follow that they are being discriminated in favor of when blacks who invoke a stand your ground defense are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. Those who interpret the data as evidence of racism are cherry-picking numbers.

Simple averages also missed important differences in these cases. The Tribune data shows blacks killed in these confrontations were 13 percentage points more likely to be armed than whites. This suggests that those claiming that they were defending themselves often reasonably believed that they had little choice but to kill their attacker.

By a 43 to 16 percent margin, the blacks killed were also more often in the process of committing a crime."


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ground-defense

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Another good post :thumbsup


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dyna mo 02-13-2014 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 19981148)
Lack of. its come down to the fact that people have no manners any more or respect for anyone or anything.

I really think there's much truth to this. It's compounded by the population explosion.

L-Pink 02-13-2014 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19981163)
I really think there's much truth to this. It's compounded by the population explosion.

In many cases there is also a "bully" mentality involved. The provoker feels physically superior and continues to provoke until tragic action is taken.

NewNick 02-13-2014 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19981115)
What's sad is that the "stand your ground" law is invoked more often by black shooters that shoot other black people.... and yet the OP NEVER posts any of those cases.






"Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense.

Those who conclude the law is racially biased point to data compiled by the Tampa Bay Tribune, which collected 112 cases where people charged with murder relied on Florida's stand your ground law, from the first cases in 2006 to July 24 of this year. The Tribune's "shocking" claim: 72 percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white.

But this doesn't tell the whole story as blacks are overwhelmingly killed by other blacks. Thus, it is also true that blacks claiming self-defense under the stand your ground law are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. About 69 percent of blacks raising the stand your Ground defense were not convicted compared to 62 percent of whites.

If blacks are supposedly being discriminated against because their killers so often are not facing any penalty, it must also follow that they are being discriminated in favor of when blacks who invoke a stand your ground defense are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. Those who interpret the data as evidence of racism are cherry-picking numbers.

Simple averages also missed important differences in these cases. The Tribune data shows blacks killed in these confrontations were 13 percentage points more likely to be armed than whites. This suggests that those claiming that they were defending themselves often reasonably believed that they had little choice but to kill their attacker.

By a 43 to 16 percent margin, the blacks killed were also more often in the process of committing a crime."


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ground-defense



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I dont think the OP was making a racial observation.

More dickweeds with guns using poorly constructed law to justify shooting fellow citizens.

That is the sad thing.

Txting in a cinema or playing loud music. Hardly justification for being murdered.

Whistling on a Tuesday or wearing a loud shirt in a built up area will be next. My all time favourite though; having an offensive wife.:1orglaugh

Vendzilla 02-13-2014 08:22 AM

I remember when LA had all those freeway shootings.

People were actually driving with respect for each other.

I guess that's what happens when you shoot a couple assholes.

tony286 02-13-2014 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 19981115)
What's sad is that the "stand your ground" law is invoked more often by black shooters that shoot other black people.... and yet the OP NEVER posts any of those cases.






"Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense.

Those who conclude the law is racially biased point to data compiled by the Tampa Bay Tribune, which collected 112 cases where people charged with murder relied on Florida's stand your ground law, from the first cases in 2006 to July 24 of this year. The Tribune's "shocking" claim: 72 percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white.

But this doesn't tell the whole story as blacks are overwhelmingly killed by other blacks. Thus, it is also true that blacks claiming self-defense under the stand your ground law are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. About 69 percent of blacks raising the stand your Ground defense were not convicted compared to 62 percent of whites.

If blacks are supposedly being discriminated against because their killers so often are not facing any penalty, it must also follow that they are being discriminated in favor of when blacks who invoke a stand your ground defense are convicted at a lower rate than are whites. Those who interpret the data as evidence of racism are cherry-picking numbers.

Simple averages also missed important differences in these cases. The Tribune data shows blacks killed in these confrontations were 13 percentage points more likely to be armed than whites. This suggests that those claiming that they were defending themselves often reasonably believed that they had little choice but to kill their attacker.

By a 43 to 16 percent margin, the blacks killed were also more often in the process of committing a crime."


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ground-defense



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tell that to the little girl who wont have a father.

tony286 02-13-2014 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19981168)
In many cases there is also a "bully" mentality involved. The provoker feels physically superior and continues to provoke until tragic action is taken.

No I think a gun gives some people the feeling of extra big balls. I also think there are some that think about what it would be like to shoot someone so when the opportunity comes up they jump on it and then yell I felt threatened.

dyna mo 02-13-2014 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19981174)
I remember when LA had all those freeway shootings.

People were actually driving with respect for each other.

I guess that's what happens when you shoot a couple assholes.

There's a lot of truth to this, except for the assholes part. the assholes are the shooters.

Well, the bigger assholes I mean. We're all assholes in one way or another,

you know what I'm saying.

just don't shoot me.

:1orglaugh

L-Pink 02-13-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19981177)
tell that to the little girl who wont have a father.


Or ?. Get up and use your phone in the lobby instead of annoying others, swearing, reaching over your seat grabbing a man's popcorn and throwing it in his face?

Sly 02-13-2014 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19981179)
No I think a gun gives some people the feeling of extra big balls. I also think there are some that think about what it would be like to shoot someone so when the opportunity comes up they jump on it and then yell I felt threatened.

That's a lot of thinking.

Projection?

L-Pink 02-13-2014 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19981179)
No I think a gun gives some people the feeling of extra big balls. I also think there are some that think about what it would be like to shoot someone so when the opportunity comes up they jump on it and then yell I felt threatened.

I know the answer Tony, take personal responsibility, act like a civilized human, don't provoke other citizens into shooting you. Isn't that a little easier?

dyna mo 02-13-2014 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19981189)
I know the answer Tony, take personal responsibility, act like a civilized human, don't provoke other citizens into shooting you. Isn't that a little easier?

I hope you're prepared for a lot of gfyers to not get this. :Oh crap

This was what I was talking about with the movie texter in the thread on that and my comments were completely distorted by others into some sort of justification for the shooter.

Sly 02-13-2014 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19981189)
I know the answer Tony, take personal responsibility, act like a civilized human, don't provoke other citizens into shooting you. Isn't that a little easier?

No. Everyone else should be able to do whatever they want. They can act however they like, say what they wish. They have that right. But once you grab a gun, you have zero rights. The real lesson here is, never own a gun and just be a total cunt. Destroy society as we know it. Be mean to your neighbors. Call old people bad names. Scream at your kids in public. Let your kids scream in public. It's all good.

The social law of 2014.

Unrelated but related, check out the following commentary by a Texas sportscaster and his opinions on gays in the NFL. The points that he brings up about the NFL, apply to society as a whole. Extremely bizarre. We are a weird ass species.

http://fox2now.com/2014/02/12/sports...ay-goes-viral/

L-Pink 02-13-2014 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19981179)
No I think a gun gives some people the feeling of extra big balls. I also think there are some that think about what it would be like to shoot someone so when the opportunity comes up they jump on it and then yell I felt threatened.

And again you overlook the behavior that caused the gun to be used.


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ITraffic 02-13-2014 09:10 AM

get back to work.

Vendzilla 02-13-2014 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19981180)
There's a lot of truth to this, except for the assholes part. the assholes are the shooters.

Well, the bigger assholes I mean. We're all assholes in one way or another,

you know what I'm saying.

just don't shoot me.

:1orglaugh

I'm more of a sword guy.

I want to install a train horn on my pick up

DamianJ 02-13-2014 09:30 AM

gun nuts.

apt description.

they are worse than borne again christians for understanding rationality.

Vendzilla 02-13-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19981282)
gun nuts.

apt description.

they are worse than borne again christians for understanding rationality.

The people you have to worry about are not the gun nuts, they have respect for their weapons, the ones you have to worry about are the ones that own one gun and think this is going to be their ticket to a better life.

What's worse than a gun nut? People without a clue about guns that post their opinion about them. Nothing like talking about something you know nothing about!

Last year, some shit for brains attacked my father right thru the window of his truck. He was punching my father. The guy stopped when my father pointed a S&W 40 at his face. Then he ran off like a little pussy, the guy was 33 years old, my dad is 74. He has a carry permit. Because of his age, the guy is fighting elder abuse now.....

NewNick 02-13-2014 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19981241)
And again you overlook the behavior that caused the gun to be used.


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The behaviour that caused the gun to be used came solely from the shooter.

Nobody made him do it.

It is not acceptable to murder people because they have bad manners.

I cannot believe that I am actually having to say that.

Who the fuck are you to say that it is ok to shoot people that offend you ?

You are offending me - would it be permissible for me to shoot you in the head ?

Sly 02-13-2014 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19981286)
Last year, some shit for brains attacked my father right thru the window of his truck. He was punching my father. The guy stopped when my father pointed a S&W 40 at his face. Then he ran off like a little pussy, the guy was 33 years old, my dad is 74. He has a carry permit. Because of his age, the guy is fighting elder abuse now.....

Your dad will be called out before the guy that tried to rob him. How funny is that? By funny, I'm not talking "haha," I'm talking "fucking insane."

Watch. Someone will come along now and say that this was the fault of guys like your dad that want to carry. Your dad was only assaulted because he's carrying.

dyna mo 02-13-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19981290)
The behaviour that caused the gun to be used came solely from the shooter.

Nobody made him do it.

It is not acceptable to murder people because they have bad manners.

I cannot believe that I am actually having to say that.

Who the fuck are you to say that it is ok to shoot people that offend you ?

You are offending me - would it be permissible for me to shoot you in the head ?

:error

told ya L!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Vendzilla 02-13-2014 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19981295)
Your dad will be called out before the guy that tried to rob him. How funny is that? By funny, I'm not talking "haha," I'm talking "fucking insane."

Watch. Someone will come along now and say that this was the fault of guys like your dad that want to carry. Your dad was only assaulted because he's carrying.

The guy didn't want to rob him, my dad honked his horn because the guy was standing in the middle of the lane in a parking lot and my dad wanted to leave.

That guy was given a deal and refused it, he wants to fight it in court. They can't get my dad on anything. The guy did damage to his truck before punching my dad thru the window and their were several witnesses.

Some people in this world should just have a target tattooed on their fore head, this guy was one of those people.

He is lucky that he stopped punching my dad, he would have shot him.

okok 02-13-2014 09:49 AM

Florida Man strikes again!

Sly 02-13-2014 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19981290)

You are offending me - would it be permissible for me to shoot you in the head ?

Simple answer. Yes. Do it!

Irrational emotional responses from a person that can still not comprehend what was said, multiple times over. Nobody is fearing your invisible gun.

L-Pink 02-13-2014 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 19981290)
The behaviour that caused the gun to be used came solely from the shooter.

Nobody made him do it.

It is not acceptable to murder people because they have bad manners.

I cannot believe that I am actually having to say that.

Who the fuck are you to say that it is ok to shoot people that offend you ?

You are offending me - would it be permissible for me to shoot you in the head ?

You are off track of my origional point. I have never said I agreed with the shootings. My ONLY POINT is by behaving like a civilized person in public you can eliminate any risk of being shot for your behavior. It's pretty simple, don't act like an idiot and an idiot with a gun won't shoot you.

Why is this so hard to understand?

DamianJ 02-13-2014 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19981286)
What's worse than a gun nut? People without a clue about guns that post their opinion about them. Nothing like talking about something you know nothing about!

Really? So me posting an opinion is worse than someone shooting someone for annoying them?

Thanks for proving my point.

Tom_PM 02-13-2014 09:54 AM

I would agree that the ones who are gun nuts are the inexperienced "off the street" purchasers of legal firearms. They may not have ever held a gun before being allowed to buy one. They are not required to demonstrate any ability whatsoever. They are the problem.

L-Pink 02-13-2014 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19981306)
:error

told ya L!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You sure did. Lol!!!

Vendzilla 02-13-2014 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19981315)
Really? So me posting an opinion is worse than someone shooting someone for annoying them?

Thanks for proving my point.

That's not what you said, you claimed Gun Nuts.

This is just someone that had a gun.

Fuck, read your own post before commenting

Do you know anything about guns?

Vendzilla 02-13-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 19981317)
I would agree that the ones who are gun nuts are the inexperienced "off the street" purchasers of legal firearms. They may not have ever held a gun before being allowed to buy one. They are not required to demonstrate any ability whatsoever. They are the problem.

illegal gun ownership

Yet the governments idea of solving the problem is more laws, how will this curb illegal gun use when the new laws only target legal gun ownership.

In California, to buy a gun, you have to pass a gun safety course or have a dd214 for being in the military

L-Pink 02-13-2014 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 19981282)
gun nuts.

apt description.

they are worse than borne again christians for understanding rationality.

There is a huge difference between a "gun nut" and a "nut with a gun"

I have zero sympathy for anyone who's behavior gets them shot by a nut with a gun.

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Tom_PM 02-13-2014 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19981331)
illegal gun ownership

Yet the governments idea of solving the problem is more laws, how will this curb illegal gun use when the new laws only target legal gun ownership.

In California, to buy a gun, you have to pass a gun safety course or have a dd214 for being in the military

No, legal gun owners. They're the ones making these headlines. It's a separate and very real issue.

Illegal gun ownership is already illegal and it always will be. But no need to let Johnny Nutcase and Billy Whackjob walk into G-Mart and walk out with enough guns and ammo to shoot up their classrooms, movie theaters, shopping malls, kids in cars with loud music and whatever else is about to come next.


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