That's what I thought. Tell them to beat it

Mike you said one down "Fabian" I've been outta the loop - what happened with Fabian?

That's my initial thought as well. However, what complications could arise based on the fact that they have a subpoena?

here, if we tell someone of authority 'no' with a legal basis, they generally make us 'regret it' however they can

would the same premise apply with CalOSHA requesting to see the 2257?

OK confirmed yer a fucking moron....:2 cents:

Send the boy to school and what does he do...eats the fucking erasers

The odds for that seem pretty good to me.

How about Reno? Portland, Oregon? Seattle? Just over the border in Vancouver?

It sounds like CalOSHA, Diane Duke et al have already won then. It sounds like many here think there is no (and never will be any) "safe haven" for porn producers. So everyone move to Russia or Czech ASAP, right?

If "the State" (local or federal) cannot shut down all the illegal drug producers in this country how would CalOSHA or anyone else have enough resources to shut down EVERY porn producer in America?

I say we all calm down here people and take a deep breath (and start scanning Google maps for a new home).

You're not the one getting $70k fines. It's easy to sit where you are and not have to worry about that.

True, and I don't mean to be flip. But if I were seriously facing 70k fines (and it sounds like many are) then I would have Plan B initiated right about now, whatever that may be for my company (no pun intended, as in Measure B).

Of course it's a massive disruption in people's lives, employees would have to move (those that could), access to talent would change (or diminish), many costs would go up at a time when revenue is sinking. So I absolutely see the concerns.

Having said all that, I still don't think any of this is enforceable long-term. Resources aside, there has to be a public appetite for such enforcement and I think the politics will cool down eventually. Porn (and America) goes through these political/religious freak outs over porn from time to time but this one wreaks of economic control more than anything else.

So what's the solution other than wearing the damn condoms?

You could wear wet suits - It seems to me we just aint welcome in Cali anymore - Porn needs a new home...

Im curious here where exactly do you think porners would be welcome?

Law makers are enforcing condom laws while content pirates get away.

California is a piece of shit state ran by trash.

Parts of Europe have a good rep - In most of Eastern Europe you can film anything if you pay enough...

If you insist on being in the US there are states that seem more porn friendly than Cali - That's your area of expertise though.....

measure B was pushed forward by the homosexual mafia, only concerns Los Angeles county and has no relationship to OSHA, in fact OSHA does not enforce measure B and disagrees with many of the guidlines

yes it is, isn't it :)

The problem with using the production date as a basis for when a movie was made is that porn DVDs frequently have only one production date even though the scenes are often done on different days. I assume the DVDs are using the date when the movie was finished including editing etc.. Of course what the companies are doing is not the original intent of the 2257 law because you can't pin down when each individual scene was shot. In the past, I used to notice more multiple dates listed rather then just one date.

not to mention web companies that do not produce dvd's :)

So true. Speaking with other producers in my area, we wouldn't even welcome "porners" in our area.

New Hampshire. Live Free Or Die :thumbsup

Good call actually NH might be the omly other place in the USA, but I suspect that OHA would follow them there as well what people arent getting is that yes this is Cal-OSHA but the OSHA rules they are enforcing are FEDERAL so they would apply in NH as well.

The turh is that porners are going to have to sit down with OSHA a nd develop industry specific rules that OSHA can live with...thats all there is to it. and YES OSHA will do that.

Ya i actually meant in the US....somehow I dont see Vivid moving to the czech republic though ;)

And then the majority of people in the business will go and break that agreement.

nope... maybe some low level producers..... like you... hard to imagine the big boys breaking the agreement with Cal OSHA :2 cents:

That's F'd up!

kinda reminds you of porn in general and GFY huh?

Mark my words, there will be a "big boy" who breaks whatever agreement is put into place. I would wager money on it.

Porn is full of misfits and idiots, even in the "professional" circles. They are not suddenly going to all snap in line and do the right thing because OSHA says so. How about the big boy who shot Mr. Marcus with painfully obvious syphilis wounds on his cock and balls? How many big boy producers are still shooting without condoms or without a permit?

Yep. Low level producers like myself don't have to legally deal with your silly US OSHA / condom laws and will be shooting permit free bareback scenes while you're waiting for your male performer to get his rubber on and maintain his wood. Enjoy. :thumbsup

I wonder how prudent it would be for the larger porn companies to begin a marketing/PR campaign "re-educating" the public about condoms in porn. Sure, there will always be condom-less porn produced SOMEwhere (not to mention the millions of bareback scenes already shot - what do you do about them, take them down?) but maybe there's room for both.

I don't know but if marketers can convince people to buy plastic bottles of water instead of turning on their own damn faucets I would think marketers could convince the public condoms in porn are "safer, healthier and better for you", just like with Evian. LOL

it would be a good idea but we had better first fix the problem with std rates porn performers have a 68 TIMES higher infection rate for chlamydia than the general population of the same age range in LA they also have a 38 TIMES higher rate of Gonorrhea....till that is fixed we best not go "educating" anyone

I don't shoot BG, not attracted to the penis myself and even if I did, I wonder why you are happy about food being taken from peoples family's? I guess living in a 3rd world shithole has fucked up your sense 'morality and family obligations' but then again your BGF mike south doen't live in a 3rd world shit whole and nothing seesm to make him happier than seeing a man lose the income to feed his family... both you guys are pieces of shit IMHO..

guess what douche bag... if something happened to your biz and you could NOT put food on the table I damn sure would have some empathy for you and your situation... I wouldn't be hopping around doing the snoopy dance like you and shithead girlfriend... fuck you scum bag:2 cents:

We have had several conversations with CalOSHA and the County of LA already about industry specific rules and variances. That is already in the works.

Mike where did you get those stats from?

And since the general population never gets tested and only go to the doctor when their piss starts burning...well, I think you can see the reality.

Those stats are total bullshit. You know that. I'm not sure where you're going with this. Some of your posts sound awfully anti-porn. And if I see the govt. using you as their poster boy it's gonna really be a shame.

Wow, even attacking my girlfriend for no reason whatsoever. Pure class. :thumbsup

No one is doing the snoopy dance, but guess what? The industry did this to itself. This problem didn't miracle itself into existence. It is the reaction to decades of irresponsibility and greed. The bed was made, now everyone finally gets to sleep in it. It is going to suck for a lot of people, but it is what it is. I don't get joy out of knowing this *may* cause people to struggle, but truth is, Porno Dan uses condoms and seems to be doing just fine. Wicked has always been condoms, they do well too. So what's the real problem, permits? Extra money having to be spent on testing? Boo hoo.

If you don't even shoot BG, then why are your panties in a bunch?

Yes, I work in a third world country (a few of them), but it has made me not a pansy ass and I roll with the punches. I produce 200+ scenes a year (I pay for all testing), not in an air con studio, not with the help of agents, not with the help if the FSC, not with the help of professional models, and not with the assistance of a STD database. Do you see me crying anywhere? Nope. I adapted and am growing in an industry that is slowly dying. If you can't keep up, that is tragic, but that is life. Porn isn't easy anymore. Deal with it. But lashing out on me and my girlfriend because I don't have to follow the same rules and regulations you do makes you look like the scum bag here, not me. I simply stated that people will violate the agreement, and pointed out (after you tried insulting me) that I don't have to follow your silly rules. Both 100% true.

Mike's views are his own, but he is usually spot on. Those of you who try to protect the industry don't like the truth, and I can understand why, but living in denial isn't healthy and has led to the very problems that caused this regulation.

I don't feel bad for anyone who can't adapt, but that doesn't mean I'm happy they fail. Times change. Business changes. The herd is thinning. I've covered my ass in the event the entire industry went tits up tomorrow, what about you? But it wont go tits up, it will change and survive in one form or another. That's what business does.

Manwin had the GOT LATEX campaign. Remember that?

Porn will find a way. It may not be the way everyone wants, but a solution will present itself.

The OSHA blood born pathogens law of 1992 mandates mandatory condom usage nationwide, until recently the only time OSHA has chosen to do open investigations is when there has been on set exposures to HIV.

OSHA has the right to inspect any work place environment it doesn't matter if it is in La Vegas, Miami or yes, Los Angeles.

Michael and I made the decision to work with OSHA rather than work against to try an come up with a middle ground that would allow us to continue to produce porn in the USA and have us be in compliance with their laws.

I can only speak for myself, but my sales have increased since we went condoms only.

Kudos Dan. Working with OSHA instead of fighting them seems like the only logical option at this point.

This reminds me of rape statistics. Decades ago, anti-porn people were using a study that compared rape rates in states to circulations of adult magazines. There was more rape in the states that had higher circulations. The problem with the study is that many rape victims don't report to the authorities that they were raped.

I'm fine, just really don't care to see the joy and happiness at others misfortunes DWB..... believe me I know more about what's going on with the industry than either you or Mike... you don't see me joyfully digging at the people that are being hurt.... here's one you and Mike might enjoy: I know 3 models right now with no money and no work and now where to stay, from out of town, because of all the issues in the biz... gee isn't that fucking hilarious... what a scream.... hahahahha.... I had made mention of your GF in relation to MS, and where have you seen me crying about this shit... I only point out the guys dumping on the industry that feeds them are scum

But Dan, your current company has only been in business a few years.
So your sales should have "increased" a bit since you started at nothing with the new sites and sales.

But how far could they have gone without condom use? Who knows? I don't and neither do you.

I'm glad you're having good success finally in this biz. But to think that using condoms is somehow helpful to your sales is ridiculous.

I read the things you've been saying lately. And all I can say is...I hope the govt. doesn't do to you what it always does: Turn around and bite you.

Well dam. That's wrong.