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ruff 02-25-2014 08:52 AM

New York Times Article

Doesn't look like the big boys are too worried about Bitcoin does it? Opportunity begets opportunity. There will always be the sidelines for rest of you.

BlackCrayon 02-25-2014 08:53 AM

they just spend a wack load of money buying gox.com..they won't be going anywhere. however i think they should of completely rebranded. mtgox or gox is completely meaningless in regards to bitcoin.

pornmasta 02-25-2014 08:57 AM

http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currency/USD.html

mtgox dead ?

Wellness Cash 02-25-2014 08:57 AM

Quote:

Dear MtGox Customers,

In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on MtGox's operations and the market, a decision was taken to close all transactions for the time being in order to protect the site and our users. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.

Best regards,
MtGox Team
Wave bye-bye...:helpme

edgeprod 02-25-2014 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEW XTC (Post 19995180)
"Since Bitcoins fluctuate in price, that's what going to jam MTGOX up. They started out selling Bitcoins at just a few pennies. Lately Bitcoins have been over $100. It's difficult to sell a product for a few dollars and buy it back for hundreds. That's impossible. Only way they can stay afloat is to constantly bring in new customers paying ever increasing prices.
Normally that business model is called a Ponzi scheme."

wow you are one uninformed motherfucker Sunny Day - its an exchange - other customers buy and sell to each other...jesus christ...do you wear a helmet when you walk in the park?

Holy shit, this rocket scientist just found a flaw in the stock market! Take your money out before it's too late! :1orglaugh

pussyeater 02-25-2014 10:05 AM

Makes me hateful....

lucas131 02-25-2014 11:11 AM

anyone said byecoin? :) :upsidedow sorry to all for their loss ...

edgeprod 02-25-2014 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 19995343)
anyone said byecoin? :) :upsidedow sorry to all for their loss ...

Not sure why Mtgox would affect the coin itself, any more than a bank going under due to mismanagement would affect the dollar on the whole.

- Jesus Christ - 02-25-2014 11:43 AM

Meanwhile... a physical bitcoin bank opened in Cyprus and the security price doubled last night.

https://www.havelockinvestments.com/...?symbol=NEOBEE

In a free market EVERYTHING is an opportunity.

NEW XTC 02-25-2014 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sunny Day (Post 19995141)
You can't sell an item at $1 when you pay $1000 for it.

My Posts

4/12/2013
Surprised no one has figured out Bitcoins yet

Banks take in deposits in dollars, say $100 they only have to pay out $100 USD when the customer wants his money back. Banks are required to keep 10% of the deposits. The rest they lend out in loans. If they need more than 10% on any given day, the Federal Reserve gives them a short-term loan. So banks never run out of money. It has happened a few times, but with FDIC insurance the depositors get all their money back.

MTGOX claims to trade 80% of all bit coin trades. The problem is when they sell Bitcoins they need to keep 100% of the sales as reserves. They do charge fees, but the fees alone probably don't cover their overhead and salaries. So even it Bitcoins remained at a stable price they probably couldn't refund customers at 100%.

Since Bitcoins fluctuate in price, that's what going to jam MTGOX up. They started out selling Bitcoins at just a few pennies. Lately Bitcoins have been over $100. It's difficult to sell a product for a few dollars and buy it back for hundreds. That's impossible. Only way they can stay afloat is to constantly bring in new customers paying ever increasing prices.
Normally that business model is called a Ponzi scheme.
The only other thing that could save the day is Bitcoin buyers actually buy goods and services from other customers but it looks like that's a small percentage of Bitcoins.


1/2/2014
BitCoin = Fail

Study
Gresham's Law
However, the greatest threat to BitCoins is it's own success. The more valuable it becomes, the more hackers will come after it. It's been hacked, it will be again.


2/8/2014

Who has the hot potato last

There's the optimistic view

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.UvcT61OScjV

Then there is the technical issues

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.UvcT_VOScjW

But the $250 drop this week. As I said before, MTGOX has to keep market stability. They can, if buyers outpace sellers. However, if sellers overwhelm buyers, MTGOX has to draw against their dollar balances. Since Bitcoin has skyrocketed, MTGOX has too little cash to cover Bitcoins purchased at $.10 to $600 and have to redeem at $700-1100.
Same thing happened to the US Treasury in the 60-70's when they couldn't redeem dollars for gold fast enough. This is Bitcoin's problem.
In a stable market, all works well. In an extremely volatile market great fortunes and and poverty can be the result.
Market imbalance is one of the major causes the cash of '29.

BRO KEEP THIS COOL... hahaha
sorry but I just had to read this again - the dumbfuckedness of this post is so massive, so colossal, it's actually entertaining.

A lot of know-nothings have opined many things on here about Bitcoin but this by FAR takes the cake. I had to read it 3 times before I realized that it's not a parody - the dude is serious...

There is only one course of action for you genius - delete any potentially incriminating files, format your hard drive, wipe your computer down for prints, take it out back to the dumpster...throw it in...then eat a sandwich, take a nice bath, and forget they ever invented a machine called a computer. :2 cents:

Joshua G 02-25-2014 11:58 AM

nevermind.

NEW XTC 02-25-2014 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh (Post 19995419)
he's actually describing what exchanges do...as other customers do not buy & sell from each other. on any given day there are more buyers then sellers, & vice versa. So customers buy coins off gox & put them in their wallet, or sell coins to gox & cash out. As such gox needs an inventory of cash & coins to cover all transactions, & the volatility of the coin's price does effect whether gox can stay liquid. This is financial economics 101.

wow you are one uninformed motherfucker. do you wear a helmet when you walk in the park?

:helpme

um nope...they put cash on account ahead of any buy...ooops you dun fucked up

Paul 02-25-2014 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEW XTC (Post 19995418)
BRO KEEP THIS COOL... hahaha
sorry but I just had to read this again - the dumbfuckedness of this post is so massive, so colossal, it's actually entertaining.

A lot of know-nothings have opined many things on here about Bitcoin but this by FAR takes the cake. I had to read it 3 times before I realized that it's not a parody - the dude is serious...

There is only one course of action for you genius - delete any potentially incriminating files, format your hard drive, wipe your computer down for prints, take it out back to the dumpster...throw it in...then eat a sandwich, take a nice bath, and forget they ever invented a machine called a computer. :2 cents:

Calm down Franck :2 cents:

Paul 02-25-2014 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh (Post 19995419)
nevermind.

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience :)

dyna mo 02-25-2014 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19995432)
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience :)

I don't always agree with NEW XTC's opinions on everything but he is certainly aware of the facts re: bitcoins and how mtgox operated.

NEW XTC 02-25-2014 12:13 PM

I wasn't around for a while so I missed Franck - but who was he? I've been called that a few times (by the same dude) - but alas I am not he...sorry to disappoint.


Nice save Joshgirls..or attempted save that is.

Joshua G 02-25-2014 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEW XTC (Post 19995444)
Nice save Joshgirls..or attempted save that is.

im done commenting on bitcoin. My site needs TLC. GL on your trades.

420 02-25-2014 12:34 PM

Frank invented bitcoin, his pseudonym is satoshi. Ask anyone on gfy and they'll tell you the same.

Also, teencat, you must mean buycoin?

pornmasta 02-25-2014 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 420 (Post 19995465)
Frank invented bitcoin, his pseudonym is satoshi. Ask anyone on gfy and they'll tell you the same.

Also, teencat, you must mean buycoin?

no, currently sober is the creator of shitcoin, he couldn't afford stuff so he created money

CAHEK 02-25-2014 12:39 PM

http://www.cp24.com/polopoly_fs/1.17..._620/image.jpg

NEW XTC 02-25-2014 12:40 PM

this reeks of all out fraud

http://www.scribd.com/doc/209050732/...Strategy-Draft

if its real (actually drafted by Gox) it could be a pure fiction, cleverly designed to create the appearance that they will rise from the ashes.

Expert opinions?

420 02-25-2014 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 19995466)
no, currently sober is the creator of shitcoin, he couldn't afford stuff so he created money

cs = vlad? lol

I actually have a few billion sht that I mined in the first few hours of release. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=307419.0

Paul 02-25-2014 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19995435)
I don't always agree with NEW XTC's opinions on everything but he is certainly aware of the facts re: bitcoins and how mtgox operated.

The only people who really know how Mt Gox operated are Mt Gox, it's all open to speculation on whether it was incompetence or fraud. We'll probably never know

It's staggering the sheer scale of the damage this has done to the image of Bitcoin and the effect it'll have on traders trusting other exchanges.

I don't understand how anyone could have the viewpoint below and think it's a positive thing for Bitcoin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEW XTC (Post 19995099)
I've been rooting for the demise of Gox for a long time

I think this point stands out from the leaked Mt Gox Crisis Strategy Draft

Quote:

The reality is that MtGox can go bankrupt at any moment, and certainly deserves to as a company. However, with Bitcoin/crypto just recently gaining acceptance in the public eye, the likely damage in public perception to this class of technology could put it back 5~10 years, and cause governments to react swiftly and harshly. At the risk of appearing hyperbolic, this could be the end of Bitcoin, at least for most of the public
I think most of what is quoted is total bullshit but how governments react to the Mt Gox fiasco could well be significant and I'm sure we'll find out in the next few months.

Mt Gox demise is bad news for everyone involved in Bitcoin

420 02-25-2014 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEW XTC (Post 19995475)
this reeks of all out fraud

http://www.scribd.com/doc/209050732/...Strategy-Draft

if its real (actually drafted by Gox) it could be a pure fiction, cleverly designed to create the appearance that they will rise from the ashes.

Expert opinions?

Could be real and full of lies I guess. It says they have 2k btc in the hot wallet (entire cold storage allegedly stolen) but they owe customers 625k btc. Then it goes on to say they need approximately 200k bitcoins to clear the books.

dyna mo 02-25-2014 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 19995485)
The only people who really know how Mt Gox operated are Mt Gox, it's all open to speculation on whether it was incompetence or fraud. We'll probably never know

I was referring to his/her comments re: how the exchange is funded and works from a customer's standpoint.

Wellness Cash 02-25-2014 12:59 PM

Sorry it seems I was wrong... MTG isn't dead... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 02-25-2014 01:09 PM

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/MtGox_Wide.png

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...224_mtgox1.png

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/cq7JzvpyPq8/0.jpg

Quote:

FINANCE PROFESSOR: Bitcoin Will Crash To $10 By Mid-2014

At the start of December, Bitcoin topped out at over $1,200 as e-currency evangelists trumpeted the endless possibilities to be unleashed, comparing it to the breakthroughs not achieved since the start of the internet revolution.

Bitcoiners claimed market disruption would bring credit card companies and payment platforms such as Western Union to their knees. Some even claimed that Bitcoin would supplant the U.S. dollar as the new global reserve currency.

Adding more helium to the story, the Winklevoss twins of Facebook fame, not being shy about talking up their own book, predicted prices would rise to a staggering $40,000 per coin.

And from January to December 2013, markets obeyed with prices rising over 8,000 percent. In the mist of this hype, it appeared that the Bitcoin Revolution was on its way to transforming the economy, putting central bankers out of work and minting new e-currency millionaires daily. Bitcoin was priced for perfection.

This past week, however, the market didn?t stick to the script. Instead it began to challenge the rhetoric, knocking prices down as low as $535, a drop of about 55 percent from recent highs. The market has finally realized that hype alone cannot support lofty prices. Bitcoin is not a legitimate currency but simply a risky virtual commodity bet.

Flawed DNA

Since inception, Bitcoin has had a flawed DNA. It was dreamed up in a virtual world -- by computer geeks -- but was to be applied in the real world. Bitcoin is steep in Libertarian and anti-Fed dogma but weak in understanding of how global economics, central banking policies and financial markets function.

The lifeblood of the global capital markets is money ? greenbacks -- transactional currency that facilitates commerce. Virtual currency can create value and efficiency but it needs to be linked to fiscal and monetary policy. To assume currency can be computer generated, run in a decentralized manner and outside of the central banking system and controls is farcical and economically dangerous.

For currency to be adopted as a medium of exchange there has to be trust in the ability to honor the underlying obligation and the ability for central banking policy to control inflation. Historically the Fed has done a remarkable job maintain an average inflation rate of no greater than 2.5 percent. Given that two-thirds of U.S. GDP is driven by consumption, price stability in currency is essential. Without it, GDP growth is retarded and standard of living shrinks.

Even from a basic operational standpoint there are major flaws in Bitcoin structure. For example, it is assumed that miners will behave in a responsible way and not game the system for greater financial reward. Ignored is the human element and need for controls to keep pace as increases in market prices increase incentives to cheat. Fraud is also on the rise. Recently reported was that $220 million in Bitcoins were stolen and not recovered (Business Insider, 12/4/13).

Meantime, the inherent secrecy of coin ownership decreases the ability to prevent and potentially solve crimes. There is also little legal protection for investors and significant financial risk if an owner?s hard drive gets corrupted, the computer is stolen or lost, rendering Bitcoin Wallets permanently lost.

Should transfer instructions be incorrect and payments credited to a wrong account, Bitcoin transfers are not easily reversible. Moreover, the Bitcoin authenticity process also takes time which is not conducive to high volume retail sales where customers want to get in, pay for their goods and get out with no delay. In contrast, storeowners will be hesitant to have customers walk out the door with product, especially if authenticity process is not completed.

Unfit as a Currency

Bitcoin lacks the essential attributes that are needed to support a widely recognized transactional currency. If Bitcoin was allowed to proliferate as a currency it would produce greater economic uncertainty, reduced trade and lower individual standard of living.

Bitcoin has not taken off as a transactional currency and is further undermined by the fact that the majority of Bitcoin owners hoard e-coins. The more hoarded the less available to buy goods and services and spur economic growth.

In Bitcoin World it is not uncommon for prices to change by 20 or 30 percent in a given day, making Bitcoin toxic to economic growth. Price swings produce conflicting behavior. Retailers work on tight margins, sometimes as low as 10 percent. Such daily price fluctuations would eliminate all profit and inflict needless losses.

Unless retailers want to be in the commodity trading business, they would not be interested in taking Bitcoin risk. At restaurants, Bitcoiners expecting coin values to drop might rush to pay for dinner even before the first entree arrives while restaurateurs would be motivated to delay payment until the drop occurred. If Bitcoin owners believe value would increase, they would hoard more coins and velocity of money would decline, harming economic growth.

In this Bitcoin World of currency uncertainty, guessing and risk, commerce would decline and bartering would increase. Naturally, as Bitcoin price swings increased, the number of businesses willing to accept e-currency risk would decline. This is why in recent weeks, as large price movements have occurred, we have seen more credible retailers saying ?No? to Bitcoin.

High-Risk Commodity

Bitcoin has been trading like an out-of-control rollercoaster with price movements in 2013 climbing from $13 to $1,200 and then in only a week, careening down to a low of $535.

This high-test virtual commodity has 8 times the volatility of the S&P 500 and presents significant liquidity risk. There are now over 12 million Bitcoins outstanding. This volume of ownership has not been bear-market tested and if enough sellers try to run for the door it is not clear that existing infrastructure is capable of executing trade orders without significant time delays and price risk.

The buying and selling of Bitcoin is also controlled by only a handful of exchanges in places like China, Slovenia and Bulgaria. These exchanges are based on a peer-to-peer model and regulation is light with price disparities between exchanges commonplace. Exchange bankruptcies are not uncommon.

In November, GBL, a Hong Kong based Bitcoin exchange closed it?s doors, costing investors over $4 million. As a virtual commodity, it is a high-risk bet in a wild-west atmosphere, requiring speculators to stay cautiously alert.

China Pricked the Bubble

Every asset bubble has three stages; growth, maturity and pop. Growth started in 2011, followed by the maturity stage in 2013 and now the pop stage. The pin that burst the Bitcoin hyper bubble was China.

Ironically, China, the second largest economy in the world, helped push Bitcoin prices to the clouds and now is pulling prices back to earth. In the last week, China has delivered three knockdown punches.

First the central bank forbade its banks from accepting Bitcoin as currency. Then, Baidu, China?s Google equivalent, announced it would no longer process Bitcoins. Finally, China banned third-party payment companies from transacting with Bitcoin exchanges.

This last announcement significantly weakens market liquidity for BTC China, the largest Bitcoin exchange. By voting ?No? on Bitcoin, China fueled greater market skepticism. Markets have already responded by lopping off, at the low, $6 billion in Bitcoin investment value.

Other wealthy and powerful countries have taken a similar position, warning against the risks of this wannabe currency. Moves by European Banking Authority representing the largest economy in the world, France, the fifth largest economy and Norway, the wealthiest in Scandinavia all point to a growing number of roadblocks.

Last month, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke indicated e-currency ?may have long-term promise? but his statement was not a ringing endorsement for Bitcoin adoption. To the contrary, as large price swings continue, U.S. and other G20 countries will raise concerns, restrictions and begin clamping down on virtual currencies.

Bitcoin has seen an end to its hyper price run-up and can no longer support being priced for perfection. Unlike gold which has tangible value, Bitcoin is backed by hopes/dreams and only worth what people are willing to pay.

As it becomes increasingly evident that Bitcoin will not be the global currency standard, but simply a novel idea that will be improved upon by more nimble competitors such as Litecoin, restrictions and new regulations will be imposed and prices will plummet.

I predict that Bitcoin will trade for under $10 a share by the first half of 2014, single digit pricing reflecting its option value as a pure commodity play. Miners/speculators will be best served to acknowledge the meltdown has begun, act quickly and take fleeting profit off the table.

(Williams, a former commodities trading floor senior executive and Federal Reserve bank examiner, teaches finance at Boston University School of Management.)

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/willi...#ixzz2uMmV1CLq
http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.co...in_bubble1.jpg

Sorry if anyone's BitCoin bubble has burst... :Oh crap

:stoned

ADG

itx 02-25-2014 01:13 PM

I don't own Bitcoins but the value of this currency is determined by an exchange service? is like if the value of the US dollar was affected by the shutdown of a service like ePassporte.

420 02-25-2014 01:18 PM

ADG, I stopped reading at "FINANCE PROFESSOR". :1orglaugh

Actually, I read up until this part.

Quote:

There is also little legal protection for investors and significant financial risk if an owner?s hard drive gets corrupted, the computer is stolen or lost, rendering Bitcoin Wallets permanently lost.

ruff 02-25-2014 01:30 PM

I'm buying all that I can. The more I buy at today's price the cheaper it is for the price I paid weeks ago.

NEW XTC 02-25-2014 01:57 PM

Quote: 420: I don't understand how anyone could have the viewpoint below and think it's a positive thing for Bitcoin.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NEW XTC View Post
I've been rooting for the demise of Gox for a long time

Really - that clusterfuck of a piece of shit of an exchange has been a huge thorn in the side of Bitcoin for a long time - do I have to go into all the reasons?

I certainly didn't know the extent of the "theft" (staffers?) I sure dont want all those people to lose their money. All I care about is where BTC will be in 5 years when I plan to retire young.

I see Gox going down as big positive for BTC long term - we need real finance professionals running exchanges, not gamer kooks like Karpeles - if you disagree please enlighten us: Just exactly how is Gox going south a bad thing for BTC long term?


PS.
Of all the know-absolutely-nothing naysayers rooting for Bitcoins demise (no doubt due to the embarrassment of being left behind) ADG - you are the most annoying.

CoinBet 02-25-2014 02:11 PM

Bitcoin are in motion.

nexcom28 02-25-2014 02:48 PM

My :2 cents:

I agree that MTGox shutting down would be good for Bitcoin long term however I am pretty sure the media and governments will have a field day and it's bound to shake confidence in the market.

MTG have dragged bitcoin through the dirt for ages. Shitty exchange that doesn't deserve to stay in business.

For me, it beggars belief that so many got stung keeping bitcoin or usd on the exchange. Personally, every transaction I would ensure my account was cleared. Were you people not taught to keep your btc online.

Bottom line, MTG going belly up doesn't change anything for bitcoins long term future. It's still an amazing piece of technology with many advantages despite what ADG and his ilk will spout.

NEW XTC 02-25-2014 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexcom28 (Post 19995618)
My :2 cents:

I agree that MTGox shutting down would be good for Bitcoin long term however I am pretty sure the media and governments will have a field day and it's bound to shake confidence in the market.

MTG have dragged bitcoin through the dirt for ages. Shitty exchange that doesn't deserve to stay in business.

For me, it beggars belief that so many got stung keeping bitcoin or usd on the exchange. Personally, every transaction I would ensure my account was cleared. Were you people not taught to keep your btc online.

Bottom line, MTG going belly up doesn't change anything for bitcoins long term future. It's still an amazing piece of technology with many advantages despite what ADG and his ilk will spout.

Well said.

Adam_M 02-25-2014 03:16 PM

It's DEAD now!

adultmobile 02-25-2014 03:27 PM

It says $525 this ticker now, not so bad still

http://bitcoinity.org/markets/image?span=7d&size=medium

nexcom28 02-25-2014 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 19995654)
It says $525 this ticker now, not so bad still

http://bitcoinity.org/markets/image?span=7d&size=medium

That's because you are viewing the rate on an exchange that doesn't suck. Bitstamp for example.
If you were to view the mtgox ticker it would show around $100

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 02-25-2014 04:09 PM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/pr...xQ=w426-h240-n

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7fvSYT7vhQY/0.jpg

http://www.bloomberg.com/image/i4fymh2SxYL8.jpg

http://peopleslab.mslgroup.com/peopl...me-600x281.png

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/192k.../ku-xlarge.png

http://calvinayre.com/wp-content/upl...-shut-down.jpg

http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2...7-am.png?w=708

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/kdyW7BFQgu8/0.jpg

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/K5VC58gjnjY/hqdefault.jpg

http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-conten...10116ce5_z.jpg

No one can say later that there was not plenty of warning... :2 cents:

:stoned

ADG

nexcom28 02-25-2014 04:21 PM

ADG. The fall of MTG is probably one of the biggest hurdles bitcoin will have to overcome this year (and we are still only in February).

With that said I will bet you the equivalent of 1btc ($526 at today's value) that the price of bitcoin will be higher than the current value in 3 months time.

If you want to take this bet send me a PM.

NEW XTC 02-25-2014 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nexcom28 (Post 19995750)
ADG. The fall of MTG is probably one of the biggest hurdles bitcoin will have to overcome this year (and we are still only in February).

With that said I will bet you the equivalent of 1btc ($526 at today's value) that the price of bitcoin will be higher than the current value in 3 months time.

If you want to take this bet send me a PM.

ADG is just a hit and run thread bomber - absolutely zero knowledge of anything she talks about - just spends her entire day searching for fun graphics to impress people...

If she takes your bet I will double her payoff if she wins.

(btw if you're a dude ADG..you sure dont seem like one)


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