Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20052340)

You just seriously asked this question ???

You are actually dumber than I thought, which is really fucking hard to do, I had you pegged at slightly smarter than a potato

:helpme:helpme:helpme:helpme

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052338)

You see THIS is the problem right here. Why is it an 'either/or' situation? Why can't a Program or business work with BOTH "the Whales" and the smaller affiliates? My point is that whether an affiliate is a 'Whale' or a small-time affiliate HOW YOU TREAT THEM AND COMMUNICATE WITH THEM SHOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME.

Internally, in-house, say whatever you want about this aff or that aff. But when it comes to PUBLIC COMMUNICATION your attitude and comments should be respectful to EVERYONE. Giving this 'Fuck you you ain't worth shit to me anyway' attitude is the problem.

And don't assume I don't want to be a part of something new that would help my business. You know my sites and my content and you KNOW how well they do. So of course I would want to be a part of whatever new thing is coming. However, this does NOT mean that I would suddenly stop working with my smaller affiliates and treat them like they no longer matter.





As you and I discussed before there are many ways to work and there are many differant kinds of affiliates. Some affiliates use blackhat methods, some are small time, some are big. So it all depends on what kind of business you want to run, that's all. Plus, I don't have a problem with ANY company doing what it must do to stay in business. What I have a problem with is this attitude from RUC (and others) that borders on the meglomaniacal. LOL I mean, do 'small-time' affiliates (or 'minnows' as you call them, which is a great word for them) bring this level of consternation to program owners? Seems like a lot of bashing going on here towards people trying to run their business the best way they can. It's uncalled for.




I have new affiliates (noobs as you call them) plus I have the same exact affiliates that RUC and others have (whales). You do not know me or my business obviously. And we have never met at any of the shows I DO attend so perhaps this is why you think I'm some loser. LOL Perhaps you will be in Mallorca in May so we can meet then, or Amsterdam or Prague in the Fall....

Regardless, your comments and RUC's (and others) are the real problem here. Whether affiliates are worth the trouble or not does NOT give a Program the right to bash honest people for questioning some confusing data. I mean let's be decent people here and try and treat EVERYONE with a basic level of respect. Otherwise you (and others) just come across like cunts. And I'm sure, in 'real life', you and JT and Nick etc are NOT cunts. So if you think this approach is doing anything but hurting your reputation, image and standing you are wrong. it is NOT helping any of you long-term.

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20052334)

and how it is fraud? if i want to buy a site and use my ref link? same as anyone else, my friend can be sitting here near me and if he buy it, then its different? :) explain please ... really want to know your point ...

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20052342)

I am insulted you left me off your cunt list, I work VERY hard to be a cunt, and I demand some recognition for it.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052338)

I have new affiliates (noobs as you call them) plus I have the same exact affiliates that RUC and others have (whales). You do not know me or my business obviously. And we have never met at any of the shows I DO attend so perhaps this is why you think I'm some loser. LOL Perhaps you will be in Mallorca in May so we can meet then, or Amsterdam or Prague in the Fall....

Regardless, your comments and RUC's (and others) are the real problem here. Whether affiliates are worth the trouble or not does NOT give a Program the right to bash honest people for questioning some confusing data. I mean let's be decent people here and try and treat EVERYONE with a basic level of respect. Otherwise you (and others) just come across like cunts. And I'm sure, in 'real life', you and JT and Nick etc are NOT cunts. So if you think this approach is doing anything but hurting your reputation, image and standing you are wrong. it is NOT helping any of you long-term.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20052355)

What would stop webmasters from signing up multiple times then? Why should programs pay pps for 'tests' and lose money in the process?

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20052355)

What would stop webmasters from signing up multiple times then? Why should programs pay pps for 'tests' and lose money in the process?

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20052342)

I am insulted you left me off your cunt list, I work VERY hard to be a cunt, and I demand some recognition for it.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20052367)

douche bag, I know you by your actions. your inability to see the problem with screaming "shave" over a glitch in processing is what makes you part of the rabble. now you may be hero of the rabble but rabble you are.

And please save the nonsense about reputation. We all have fantastic reputations with those who matter. The rest of you really do not matter. tough to hear, I know, Herr cunt. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20052258)

dear bottom runger, almost ALL of my contemporaries washed out of this business. trust me, child, I'm still on top for a reason and it ain't because I got here early. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20052368)

If you read my reply to him again you will probably see that I was very careful to specify revshare only. The only way a revshare test signup can be fraud is if the person doing the test signup charges back or gets a refund after the affiliate has been paid out and then stops sending traffic. In fact the sponsor should be happy for a revshare test signup where a refund isn't sought because it's basically free money.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052379)

If we're discussing Teencat's overall approach I would actually agree with you and RUC in your basic point of contacting the Program before running to GFY. However, doing test joins and noticing billing anomolies is not a horrible thing that should make you, RUC and others shit bricks. If affiliates are so inconsequential then what the fuck do you or anyone else care about what they do or don't do?

Seems many here talk out of both sides of their mouth on this issue. Either affiliates (small ones) have significance or they do not. If they do not then why even respond the way you, RUC and others have in this thread? Makes no sense.

Shouldn't all you BROS be making so much bank that you're all too busy in your Bentleys to even read GFY? LOL Yet you come here and bash another Program Owner (me) who has the temerity to defend honest affiliates seeking answers to questions they have. Classy. I'm sure if I called all small affiliates ass wipes and losers you'd all invite me into the BRO Club. But who wants to be in a Club filled with so many people who treat other people like inconsequential shit? Do that in private maybe but doing it in public just wreaks of childish stupidity.

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20052391)

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 20052405)

Well,minte owns a factory,and he still post on gfy so :upsidedow

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052418)

It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:

Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.

BUT....

I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.

But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!! :)

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052418)

It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:

Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.

BUT....

I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.

But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!! :)



True - and then there's Shap who made millions but is still lurking around GFY. LOL

But when I make millions I will be so long gone no one will ever see me again. :D

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 20052429)

Europe shows in June?You mean in September ?

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052450)

Yes yes sorry - I meant the Mallorca show in May. I will be back early June. :)

(And I will be at the Amsterdam and Prague shows in Sept.)

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052261)

Sure, in a scenario as rigid as this .... where you don't have traffic coming in from multiple sources - SE#1, SE#2, SE#3, toplists, hardlink swaps, trades, forums, pinboards and other SN sites like FB, Twitter, Pinterest, etc.

Man..

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20052492)

Then you are even *more* open to swings, and declines in ratios as the traffic numbers grow. Or are you saying 10 x toplist, FB, pinterest, twitter traffic = 10 x sales? Try it, and see if you get 10x the sales. Newsflash: you won't.

All those variables, and you think that the scenario will be a rigid 10x traffic = 10x sales? Wake up.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052037)

If we replicate TC's traffic stream 10x, then you would get 10x the sales per day.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052379)

If we're discussing Teencat's overall approach I would actually agree with you and RUC in your basic point of contacting the Program before running to GFY. However, doing test joins and noticing billing anomolies is not a horrible thing that should make you, RUC and others shit bricks. If affiliates are so inconsequential then what the fuck do you or anyone else care about what they do or don't do?

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20052511)

ROI man, just like you do with your biz. Just have a look at how many in this thread still think it's a shave. Lot's of wasted effort on JTs part - just put yourself in his shoes for a second - multiple threads, no emails even when asked multiple times, insinuations, an outright statement of 'he shaves', when all along, as tc now concedes, it was a processor issue. 10 pages, to not only keep an affiliate who would do this, but appease a bunch of other people who don't even push your program.

Be honest now, how would you feel? Would you say that's a good ROI of your business time?

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052508)

Did you hit *every* branch on the stupid tree on your way down?

As I said, it's a fucking good job this is a hobby to you.

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20052511)

...multiple threads, no emails even when asked multiple times, insinuations, an outright statement of 'he shaves'... 10 pages, to not only keep an affiliate who would do this, but appease a bunch of other people who don't even push your program.

Be honest now, how would you feel? Would you say that's a good ROI of your business time?

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052360)

PS to JT: Making business decisions based on what someone writes on an internet message board is fucking retarded. Business is business. Leave the emotions out of it (advice I myself am trying hard to take. LOL)

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20051161)

Because if you actually understood my point of view, you wouldn't continue reaching at invisible dots and trying to connect them with delusions. You would be busy doing something else that is more productive. :winkwink:

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20052391)

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20052492)

Then you are even *more* open to swings, and declines in ratios as the traffic numbers grow. Or are you saying 10 x toplist, FB, pinterest, twitter traffic = 10 x sales? Try it, and see if you get 10x the sales. Newsflash: you won't.

All those variables, and you think that the scenario will be a rigid 10x traffic = 10x sales? Wake up.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20051164)

Derail the thread? I said look at what they pay per click. If they don't pay enough per click DONT send traffic to them. How does that derail anything? If anything it makes it even more clear about where to send traffic and where not to send traffic.

The only thing that picture proves is that Matt26z is terrible at Photoshop :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20052552)

Ten pages and one thing remains universally true:

money divided by clicks = value

All the rest is nonsense and namcalling

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20052306)

That contact and 4 bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks, meanwhile the people you have alienated in this thread could have gotten you a new Bentley.

The BRO(ke) club for the big win of staying in the kiddie pool

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20052391)

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052532)

Cool, so you'd be happy with me libelling you, accusing you of scamming, cheating and scamming and you'll just laugh it off.

The stupidity in this thread makes all of Markham's threads put together look clever.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052172)

This is for all Program Owners and Whale Affiliates with this attitude:

"It's only 0.00003% of sales so who the fuck cares? Fuck off I'm rich and I only play with rich BROS."

It doesn't matter if it's ONE SALE A YEAR. It doesn't matter if an affiliate sends 1k hits or 100k hits. This is about ATTITUDE and PROFESSIONALISM and how a Program runs their business.

Not giving a fuck because an affiliate isn't a 'whale' makes the Program look like cunts and BROS.

Perhaps, in the end, RUC and any other Program with this attitude will be just fine doing business with the BRO club circle jerk. But in the end this Industry will collapse upon itself and not even the BROS will be able to support each other. Many other industries have tried this approach - big whales only, fuck the little guys - and those industries have suffered, withered and died. Short-term greed and a "We're too big to play with you" attitude has been the demise of many egotistical, delusional fucks.

Treat people - affiliates are PEOPLE let's remember - with respect and be professional, even in the face of frustration and exasperation, and THEN you can be taken seriously as a business person. until then, all this BROspeak just proves to me that there is now a real divide between 'mega-players' and the rest of us. The irony here is that sooner or later even the BROS will be hurting and looking for affiliates one day. Everything is cyclical.

I just hope affiliates remember who treated them with respect and who treated them like fools when that day comes.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052572)

Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc? C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052572)

Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc?

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052572)

C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052590)

You do realize you are replying to someone who has a line in his signature regarding 14 year old girls being sexy to another GFY member?

Irony.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052598)

a) it's not ironic in the least

b) did you miss the post where DVTimes said he thought some 14 year old kids were, and I quote, "sexy babes"?

People need to be reminded DVTimes steals content, scams people, commits fraud and thinks kids are sexy.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052542)

You're doing a great job solidifying the reality that tube sites with 100X the traffic of nontubes earn less $$$ per unique visitor.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052592)

Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052524)

I agree with you 100%! No I would not think it' a good ROI. I wouldn't waste my time on any of this. THIS is why you have Affiliate Managers, or people in your company who act as such.

Again: My problem was with JT's responses and how he dealt/deals with issues like this. First he deletes his account on GFY then he comes back to GFY just to be contentious. I AGREE with many of JT's points, and if it were me I would share his feelings. But there is a professional, politically-correct way to handle such situations. And again, RUC is too big a company to be responding on this level anyway. (I have to cause I'm a minnow.)

I mean, this is PR 101 people, c'mon now. LOL The #1 problem when people try to manage damage control is they OVER manage it and make it worse. That's all JT was doing with his comments and they were more than preventable.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052605)

Like the DRAMA between JT and ColMike, I don't keep up with your DRAMA with Markham, Jody or DVTimes.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20052610)

Not fraudulently, most honest sponsors encourages and accepts test joins. They do it as a token of trust/courtesy.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052592)

Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052592)

So I assumed you'd be happy with Teencat with his 2 joins a month doing that to you. Sorry if I misread it.