Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20052278)

As someone said check the terms of the program to be sure there aren't thresholds but generally probably revshare is the easiest one to test and less likely to get the sponsor claiming you committed "fraud" against them or that the sale never showed up because their automated anti-fraud system flagged it as "fraud" (this is a favorite tactic and claim of sponsors who get caught). I would probably do the revshare signup, load up some tokens or $20 on the account and then give it 24-48 hours to see if you have credit by then.

Btw I'm in the US so if you have a tricky sponsor you think might be looking for your test signups feel free to PM me a revshare (has to be revshare so they can't call it fraud) link to use and I'll try to signup and send you a screenshot or video of me doing it along with the date or something so we can see if they credit you. As long as it's under $40 I'm not even worried about getting a refund or anything. It's the least I can do to help the effort. :)

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20052292)

thank you for the help, will keep you in my contact book :winkwink: :thumbsup

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20052286)

and you call business, trying to sell non unique content on sites like from 2005, and trying to bill members with xsales? there is enough complaints on the internet, do you know about them?







and so ... so, it is really not business, and if yes, it is scammy business :)

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20052278)

As someone said check the terms of the program to be sure there aren't thresholds but generally probably revshare is the easiest one to test and less likely to get the sponsor claiming you committed "fraud" against them or that the sale never showed up because their automated anti-fraud system flagged it as "fraud" (this is a favorite tactic and claim of sponsors who get caught). I would probably do the revshare signup, load up some tokens or $20 on the account and then give it 24-48 hours to see if you have credit by then.

Btw I'm in the US so if you have a tricky sponsor you think might be looking for your test signups feel free to PM me a revshare (has to be revshare so they can't call it fraud) link to use and I'll try to signup and send you a screenshot or video of me doing it along with the date or something so we can see if they credit you. As long as it's under $40 I'm not even worried about getting a refund or anything. It's the least I can do to help the effort. :)

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20052321)

Any program doing the millions of joins I have done has complaints. Again, internet trash trying to prove a point that is totally irrelevant to people actually doing business.

very important to trolls, however.:thumbsup

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20052254)

it will be funny to see 12clicks and other bros starting their business few years ago :1orglaugh two weeks and back to mc donalds ... :upsidedow

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20052327)

If someone did a test join with their own card and didn't report it after their test was completed how is that not fraud? Please explain.

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20052229)

Nice pitch to pick up all the smaller affiliates when the industry comes crashing down "again".

Believe it or not, the industry is evolving again, tubes are positioning (bracing) themselves, major companies are manoeuvring into positions. The Bro's you speak of, its those bro's in the bro's club that are working together, along with the whales, on platforms you could only dream of, and platforms that are owned and operated BY THE INDUSTRY, not an individual. I can only assume that you do not want to be part of such a platform and stick with the small affiliates. Its fine, I didn't have you down for an invite anyway ;)

Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 20052237)

Oh you will....... ;)

once you really get the affiliate business.

You do know whales that can send you 100 joins in 12 hours read these threads? Prolly thought , nice sites. Good hardworking guy and a tryer.

That's what I thought of you as a lurker.

Now...well..I hope you one day become a grizzled old vet :)

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20052248)

is that how it looks from the bottom?
No son, I'm simply playing with the irrelevant while I wait for a con call. Perhaps you should attend a show and see how much smiling your betters actually do.
extrapolating how we treat industry trash to how we live our lives would be inaccurate.

but enjoy your hunt for noobs. someone should want them.:thumbsup

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20052334)

and how it is fraud? if i want to buy a site and use my ref link? same as anyone else, my friend can be sitting here near me and if he buy it, then its different? :) explain please ... really want to know your point ...

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20052340)

You just seriously asked this question ???

You are actually dumber than I thought, which is really fucking hard to do, I had you pegged at slightly smarter than a potato

:helpme:helpme:helpme:helpme

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052338)

You see THIS is the problem right here. Why is it an 'either/or' situation? Why can't a Program or business work with BOTH "the Whales" and the smaller affiliates? My point is that whether an affiliate is a 'Whale' or a small-time affiliate HOW YOU TREAT THEM AND COMMUNICATE WITH THEM SHOULD BE EXACTLY THE SAME.

Internally, in-house, say whatever you want about this aff or that aff. But when it comes to PUBLIC COMMUNICATION your attitude and comments should be respectful to EVERYONE. Giving this 'Fuck you you ain't worth shit to me anyway' attitude is the problem.

And don't assume I don't want to be a part of something new that would help my business. You know my sites and my content and you KNOW how well they do. So of course I would want to be a part of whatever new thing is coming. However, this does NOT mean that I would suddenly stop working with my smaller affiliates and treat them like they no longer matter.





As you and I discussed before there are many ways to work and there are many differant kinds of affiliates. Some affiliates use blackhat methods, some are small time, some are big. So it all depends on what kind of business you want to run, that's all. Plus, I don't have a problem with ANY company doing what it must do to stay in business. What I have a problem with is this attitude from RUC (and others) that borders on the meglomaniacal. LOL I mean, do 'small-time' affiliates (or 'minnows' as you call them, which is a great word for them) bring this level of consternation to program owners? Seems like a lot of bashing going on here towards people trying to run their business the best way they can. It's uncalled for.




I have new affiliates (noobs as you call them) plus I have the same exact affiliates that RUC and others have (whales). You do not know me or my business obviously. And we have never met at any of the shows I DO attend so perhaps this is why you think I'm some loser. LOL Perhaps you will be in Mallorca in May so we can meet then, or Amsterdam or Prague in the Fall....

Regardless, your comments and RUC's (and others) are the real problem here. Whether affiliates are worth the trouble or not does NOT give a Program the right to bash honest people for questioning some confusing data. I mean let's be decent people here and try and treat EVERYONE with a basic level of respect. Otherwise you (and others) just come across like cunts. And I'm sure, in 'real life', you and JT and Nick etc are NOT cunts. So if you think this approach is doing anything but hurting your reputation, image and standing you are wrong. it is NOT helping any of you long-term.

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20052334)

and how it is fraud? if i want to buy a site and use my ref link? same as anyone else, my friend can be sitting here near me and if he buy it, then its different? :) explain please ... really want to know your point ...

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20052342)

I am insulted you left me off your cunt list, I work VERY hard to be a cunt, and I demand some recognition for it.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052338)

I have new affiliates (noobs as you call them) plus I have the same exact affiliates that RUC and others have (whales). You do not know me or my business obviously. And we have never met at any of the shows I DO attend so perhaps this is why you think I'm some loser. LOL Perhaps you will be in Mallorca in May so we can meet then, or Amsterdam or Prague in the Fall....

Regardless, your comments and RUC's (and others) are the real problem here. Whether affiliates are worth the trouble or not does NOT give a Program the right to bash honest people for questioning some confusing data. I mean let's be decent people here and try and treat EVERYONE with a basic level of respect. Otherwise you (and others) just come across like cunts. And I'm sure, in 'real life', you and JT and Nick etc are NOT cunts. So if you think this approach is doing anything but hurting your reputation, image and standing you are wrong. it is NOT helping any of you long-term.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20052355)

What would stop webmasters from signing up multiple times then? Why should programs pay pps for 'tests' and lose money in the process?

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20052355)

What would stop webmasters from signing up multiple times then? Why should programs pay pps for 'tests' and lose money in the process?

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20052342)

I am insulted you left me off your cunt list, I work VERY hard to be a cunt, and I demand some recognition for it.

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20052367)

douche bag, I know you by your actions. your inability to see the problem with screaming "shave" over a glitch in processing is what makes you part of the rabble. now you may be hero of the rabble but rabble you are.

And please save the nonsense about reputation. We all have fantastic reputations with those who matter. The rest of you really do not matter. tough to hear, I know, Herr cunt. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20052258)

dear bottom runger, almost ALL of my contemporaries washed out of this business. trust me, child, I'm still on top for a reason and it ain't because I got here early. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20052368)

If you read my reply to him again you will probably see that I was very careful to specify revshare only. The only way a revshare test signup can be fraud is if the person doing the test signup charges back or gets a refund after the affiliate has been paid out and then stops sending traffic. In fact the sponsor should be happy for a revshare test signup where a refund isn't sought because it's basically free money.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052379)

If we're discussing Teencat's overall approach I would actually agree with you and RUC in your basic point of contacting the Program before running to GFY. However, doing test joins and noticing billing anomolies is not a horrible thing that should make you, RUC and others shit bricks. If affiliates are so inconsequential then what the fuck do you or anyone else care about what they do or don't do?

Seems many here talk out of both sides of their mouth on this issue. Either affiliates (small ones) have significance or they do not. If they do not then why even respond the way you, RUC and others have in this thread? Makes no sense.

Shouldn't all you BROS be making so much bank that you're all too busy in your Bentleys to even read GFY? LOL Yet you come here and bash another Program Owner (me) who has the temerity to defend honest affiliates seeking answers to questions they have. Classy. I'm sure if I called all small affiliates ass wipes and losers you'd all invite me into the BRO Club. But who wants to be in a Club filled with so many people who treat other people like inconsequential shit? Do that in private maybe but doing it in public just wreaks of childish stupidity.

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20052391)

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 20052405)

Well,minte owns a factory,and he still post on gfy so :upsidedow

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052418)

It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:

Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.

BUT....

I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.

But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!! :)

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052418)

It's funny you should propose this because I am doing the following:

Launching a new erotic HD affiliate program end of this week/early next (finishing uploading the new HD promo tools, which is taking forever). I'm just about finished with this new Program so we've missed the boat on this one.

BUT....

I have ALSO just acquired a competing network of 50+ amateur sites. When I get back from the European shows in June I plan on re-designing and re-launching THAT affiliate program so by year's end I will have THREE networks and APs. LOL Busy, busy.

But this new acquisition would be PERFECT for what you propose! The only startup costs would be re-designing the AP and the network. I have over 2TB of new content to play with so let's talk when you settle in. Best of luck with your move!! :)



True - and then there's Shap who made millions but is still lurking around GFY. LOL

But when I make millions I will be so long gone no one will ever see me again. :D

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 20052429)

Europe shows in June?You mean in September ?

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052450)

Yes yes sorry - I meant the Mallorca show in May. I will be back early June. :)

(And I will be at the Amsterdam and Prague shows in Sept.)

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052261)

Sure, in a scenario as rigid as this .... where you don't have traffic coming in from multiple sources - SE#1, SE#2, SE#3, toplists, hardlink swaps, trades, forums, pinboards and other SN sites like FB, Twitter, Pinterest, etc.

Man..

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20052492)

Then you are even *more* open to swings, and declines in ratios as the traffic numbers grow. Or are you saying 10 x toplist, FB, pinterest, twitter traffic = 10 x sales? Try it, and see if you get 10x the sales. Newsflash: you won't.

All those variables, and you think that the scenario will be a rigid 10x traffic = 10x sales? Wake up.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052037)

If we replicate TC's traffic stream 10x, then you would get 10x the sales per day.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052379)

If we're discussing Teencat's overall approach I would actually agree with you and RUC in your basic point of contacting the Program before running to GFY. However, doing test joins and noticing billing anomolies is not a horrible thing that should make you, RUC and others shit bricks. If affiliates are so inconsequential then what the fuck do you or anyone else care about what they do or don't do?

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20052511)

ROI man, just like you do with your biz. Just have a look at how many in this thread still think it's a shave. Lot's of wasted effort on JTs part - just put yourself in his shoes for a second - multiple threads, no emails even when asked multiple times, insinuations, an outright statement of 'he shaves', when all along, as tc now concedes, it was a processor issue. 10 pages, to not only keep an affiliate who would do this, but appease a bunch of other people who don't even push your program.

Be honest now, how would you feel? Would you say that's a good ROI of your business time?

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052508)

Did you hit *every* branch on the stupid tree on your way down?

As I said, it's a fucking good job this is a hobby to you.

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20052511)

...multiple threads, no emails even when asked multiple times, insinuations, an outright statement of 'he shaves'... 10 pages, to not only keep an affiliate who would do this, but appease a bunch of other people who don't even push your program.

Be honest now, how would you feel? Would you say that's a good ROI of your business time?

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052360)

PS to JT: Making business decisions based on what someone writes on an internet message board is fucking retarded. Business is business. Leave the emotions out of it (advice I myself am trying hard to take. LOL)

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20051161)

Because if you actually understood my point of view, you wouldn't continue reaching at invisible dots and trying to connect them with delusions. You would be busy doing something else that is more productive. :winkwink: