Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20052391)

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20052492)

Then you are even *more* open to swings, and declines in ratios as the traffic numbers grow. Or are you saying 10 x toplist, FB, pinterest, twitter traffic = 10 x sales? Try it, and see if you get 10x the sales. Newsflash: you won't.

All those variables, and you think that the scenario will be a rigid 10x traffic = 10x sales? Wake up.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20051164)

Derail the thread? I said look at what they pay per click. If they don't pay enough per click DONT send traffic to them. How does that derail anything? If anything it makes it even more clear about where to send traffic and where not to send traffic.

The only thing that picture proves is that Matt26z is terrible at Photoshop :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20052552)

Ten pages and one thing remains universally true:

money divided by clicks = value

All the rest is nonsense and namcalling

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20052306)

That contact and 4 bucks will get you a coffee at Starbucks, meanwhile the people you have alienated in this thread could have gotten you a new Bentley.

The BRO(ke) club for the big win of staying in the kiddie pool

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20052391)

Lucas, Beaner, ThePornNerd, I got a proposition for you guys: Let's build a program together from the ground up. Let's make a program for and by affiliates that caters to the dwindling small publisher demographic. I want to document every step and I think we can demystify the process of moving up the food chain, becoming your own sponsor, and show the bro-grams how badly they are (not) needed.

We'll completely open up the process of building and launching and we'll treat all affiliates fairly and professionally whether they are minnows, whales or something in between.

To contact me search for my username here on Skype or Yahoo. (Beaner and ThePornNerd - we have already been in touch via ICQ) I will be very busy for the next 30 days or so as I am relocating my home, office and family to another state, but I think this project will be fun and profitable and I think we can show that traffic from small publishers is much more valuable than anyone is admitting.

I can cover most of the upfront costs of acquiring licenses and any content needed (provided we stay reasonable and don't try to go too big too fast) as well as hosting and I have a significant number of billing options available.

I am aware that like me, Beaner and ThePornNerd have their own programs already so the 3 of us know it's not that hard to bypass all the bullshit and bullshitters and just start making money, but it would be fun to show everyone else how little value these programs actually provide to anyone that you can't go out and do on your own.

If we treat our minnows right we may end up with their whales - or at least teach the whales how to monetize their own traffic instead of giving it to the bumbling bros.

It's a ridiculous idea I know, and I am half hoping you guys won't be into it because I have a ton on my plate right now, but the attitudes expressed in this thread are making me sick so if you guys are up for it, I know we can do this.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052532)

Cool, so you'd be happy with me libelling you, accusing you of scamming, cheating and scamming and you'll just laugh it off.

The stupidity in this thread makes all of Markham's threads put together look clever.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052172)

This is for all Program Owners and Whale Affiliates with this attitude:

"It's only 0.00003% of sales so who the fuck cares? Fuck off I'm rich and I only play with rich BROS."

It doesn't matter if it's ONE SALE A YEAR. It doesn't matter if an affiliate sends 1k hits or 100k hits. This is about ATTITUDE and PROFESSIONALISM and how a Program runs their business.

Not giving a fuck because an affiliate isn't a 'whale' makes the Program look like cunts and BROS.

Perhaps, in the end, RUC and any other Program with this attitude will be just fine doing business with the BRO club circle jerk. But in the end this Industry will collapse upon itself and not even the BROS will be able to support each other. Many other industries have tried this approach - big whales only, fuck the little guys - and those industries have suffered, withered and died. Short-term greed and a "We're too big to play with you" attitude has been the demise of many egotistical, delusional fucks.

Treat people - affiliates are PEOPLE let's remember - with respect and be professional, even in the face of frustration and exasperation, and THEN you can be taken seriously as a business person. until then, all this BROspeak just proves to me that there is now a real divide between 'mega-players' and the rest of us. The irony here is that sooner or later even the BROS will be hurting and looking for affiliates one day. Everything is cyclical.

I just hope affiliates remember who treated them with respect and who treated them like fools when that day comes.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052572)

Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc? C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052572)

Where did I say I was "happy" with being libeled, accused, etc?

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052572)

C'mon now Damian, you're a PR man at heart. You KNOW that fighting like this does nothing but soil reputations and make someone look childish.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052590)

You do realize you are replying to someone who has a line in his signature regarding 14 year old girls being sexy to another GFY member?

Irony.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052598)

a) it's not ironic in the least

b) did you miss the post where DVTimes said he thought some 14 year old kids were, and I quote, "sexy babes"?

People need to be reminded DVTimes steals content, scams people, commits fraud and thinks kids are sexy.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052542)

You're doing a great job solidifying the reality that tube sites with 100X the traffic of nontubes earn less $$$ per unique visitor.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052592)

Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20052524)

I agree with you 100%! No I would not think it' a good ROI. I wouldn't waste my time on any of this. THIS is why you have Affiliate Managers, or people in your company who act as such.

Again: My problem was with JT's responses and how he dealt/deals with issues like this. First he deletes his account on GFY then he comes back to GFY just to be contentious. I AGREE with many of JT's points, and if it were me I would share his feelings. But there is a professional, politically-correct way to handle such situations. And again, RUC is too big a company to be responding on this level anyway. (I have to cause I'm a minnow.)

I mean, this is PR 101 people, c'mon now. LOL The #1 problem when people try to manage damage control is they OVER manage it and make it worse. That's all JT was doing with his comments and they were more than preventable.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052605)

Like the DRAMA between JT and ColMike, I don't keep up with your DRAMA with Markham, Jody or DVTimes.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20052610)

Not fraudulently, most honest sponsors encourages and accepts test joins. They do it as a token of trust/courtesy.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052592)

Well, Teencat fraudulently joined JT's site, called him a scammer, a shaver, a con man and a liar and you said

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052592)

So I assumed you'd be happy with Teencat with his 2 joins a month doing that to you. Sorry if I misread it.

Originally Posted by Nice_Nick (Post 20052633)

Cliff notes?

Last time I looked this was on P.7 and I don't have time to read it.

Originally Posted by Nice_Nick (Post 20052633)

Cliff notes?

Last time I looked this was on P.7 and I don't have time to read it.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052619)

Not with their own affiliate account.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052637)

Teencat makes a massive 10 sales a day, RUC has gone private and Magnetron is really bad at maths and business and doesn't understand the word irony. I think that's about it.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052615)

It's not drama. DVTimes said some 14 year old little girls were sexy. Fact.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20052649)

He did not know the age.

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20052607)

who has ever said any different, in the history of the world? That's like saying walmart earn less $$$ per product than Billy Bob and Sue's Convenience Store... wtf has that got to do with anything in this thread?

lol, I'm all for pissing away free time, but this has got ridiculous :helpme

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20050864)

If you think someone isn't doing it well, but it is too hard to do it well and you can't imagine doing it better or won't make the effort to do it better... you are not being useful. A professional would either build a successful site, find ways to work with existing sites, or STFU and move on to something that they can do successfully. Instead you are here acting like you are doing something important, when all you are doing is pissing off the few people who are capable of doing exactly what you admit you can't do.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20052643)

How does that matter when making test join?

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052665)

Logic dictates that it will make only 10% of the sales it was accustomed to in the first month.

Right?

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20052690)

Logic may dictate... however the math does not. 95% of webmasters here do not have enough statistically significant data to draw mathematically reliable conclusions about anything at 100%, much less 10%.

The vast majority of "i'm being shaved" in this industry has always been in the end, the admission that "i don't understand statistics, standard deviation and statistical norms"... and never take into account any other multitude of factors which impact sales negatively.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20052665)

Then quit pissing.

I got an idea.

Run some quality traffic from multiple sources through a well designed low volume site for a month.

Then, throttle that traffic down to 10% for the following month.

Logic dictates that it will make only 10% of the sales it was accustomed to in the first month.

Right?

This is what I originally said, just restated from another angle.

Right?

Now, you can throw in your 'variables' as to why it will earn less or more than 10% in the second month.

As long as the traffic from EACH individual source was throttled down to 10%, there shouldn't be any variables.

Right?

Of course not ..... because you want to pigeonhole a simple logical equation.

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 20052667)

One of the best posts in this thread :thumbsup

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20052690)

Logic may dictate... however the math does not. 95% of webmasters here do not have enough statistically significant data to draw mathematically reliable conclusions about anything at 100%, much less 10%.

The vast majority of "i'm being shaved" in this industry has always been in the end, the admission that "i don't understand statistics, standard deviation and statistical norms"... and never take into account any other multitude of factors which impact sales negatively. Anyone here would have a hell of a time finding someone doing volume that claimed they were being screwed. Of course its happened... but not very often.

"shaving" began as payouts began to rise from 29.00 to 39.00 to 45.00 to 60.00 per sale etc. Ron Levi was the first to announce he was bowing out of that race to the bottom and that was quite a few years ago - Close to 10. MP3 Was built with a shave feature in it which that fucking idiot was spamming on this board and touting as a great feature. However, in todays age of cross sells, better content/unique content, interconnected networks (access to all sites), upsells etc, there is zero need to shave anyone. It's just a word people love to use to externalize failure and a habit which teaches them absolutely nothing about how to move forward and grow.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20052718)

All this thread is missing is Paul Markham.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20052718)

All this thread is missing is Paul Markham.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20052658)

So he *claimed*. But with his history of restraining orders, fraud, stealing content and scamming people, and licking skulls in a wedding dress I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he thought 14 year olds are sexy.

I wouldn't be defending someone like that if I were you.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20052674)

Isn't that the point of a "test join"? To see if your account is credited when a sale is made?