Hello, why people dont do their own dirty work and make their own test i mean it is ur business to make sure you dont waste money or time right ? ... Yah Lucas made his point for his work but it would be seriously dumb if you just follow one model, instead do your own test and then compare -_- anyways i was just passing by. Pce and dont trust anyone lol specially not on the net never know if someone doing something for you or themselves, not saying that Lucas got his own agenda or whatever but nigga aint my bro or friend i dont know none of ya so why would i believe someone telling me that or this when i choose to not believe in Santa.. Using Board to propagate shit for killing reputation seems way to easy hehe. Be smart people L8er and wish you all luck and loads of cash :)

I asked you three times what you brought to the table for your 50%. You didn't answer once. So I have to assume you've realised that it is cheaper, easier, and miles better to bring your 'job' in house.

I've run two affiliate programmes and I've seen the stats. It really is that 5% of affiliates bring in 95% of the revenue. You, and the other 95% of affiliates are just not worth the bother.

Nobody cares about that in THIS PARTICULAR thread. Overall WE DO but not in this thread. It seems you don't know how to listen.

You are saying you care about what matters most, but only in some threads. In other threads you would rather mentally masturbate while pretending not to know the facts that you do care about in other threads.

That is your reasoning? :error

I bring targeted traffic and work in a much for focused way with the program owner/manager to bring sales than any employee would. They are simply not as hungry.

I was answering your questions in a general way: affiliates vs inhouse. Not in a personal way. Who really cares what I bring though. You were talking about whether or not programs still need affiliates. Many still do and they say they are happy that way. A few do not.

My answers reflected the fact that 'in house' employees do not do as good a job as some affiliates. Yes there are affiliates who suck, and in house would be better in those cases. Then there are affiliates who have been going for 10 plus years (myself included).

No ... once again ... please listen this time ....

I want this data. That's it.

This one piece of data. It may not be important at all. I don't expect to make quantum leaps in terms of my business because of this. I rather don't expect much at all really.

If you can't understand why I want it ... so what? I don't care.

If you think it's not useful .... so what? Move on.

Classy and respectful as always.

So you are saying then that if I am not happy with conversions that I should start my own program. Then if I am not happy with billing I should start my own billing processor as well. And if I don't have enough search traffic I should start my own SE. Then if I don't like the content being made I should shoot it myself. If the camera I use sucks then I can build one of those too.

Half jokes aside what in the world makes you think I am not already doing some of the things you mentioned above? Aside from opening my own program I am working on working better with existing sites and am in contact with program owners/managers everyday for different programs.

Who are these people and tell me how you know I am pissing them off?

That's the most intelligent thing you have said in 7 pages of posts. You finally stumbled onto what being in business is all about.

LOL ... yeah okay.

You're choosy about what you respond to. Makes you feel like you are always on top.

If you did test joins @ DTI Cash. Let me know if you have any questions

...That was a stupid problem between me and the company for what I was doing for them, nothing to do with the program (Which does convert well, hell my account that I haven't touched in months has still made 5 sales and 23 rebills so far this month at around 1:1000, and no one has touched anything that I did..) Want to know how to convert? Ask.

I know it was the worst thing for me to post what I did. Things have been extremely stressful for me lately, I won't get into it, I'd just like to publicly apologize and say that JT is a really great guy to work with and has no reason to screw affiliates for any reason. :2 cents:

Thank you, btw. I'm still surprised that you were nice enough to pay me for 2 extra months after I left, it's the reason why I still have a place to live and I'm very appreciative of that. :upsidedow

You should put that post of yours I quoted into your sig and read it every time you post. You gave yourself great advice and you didn't even notice it.

Am I the only program owner who is thinking this :

"Hmm lucas / teencat ??? Somewhere in Czech??? Ok, I need to check my affiliates , I really do not want an asshat like that in my program , one tiny little hiccough and he is all over boards libelling the shit out of me. I think I will cancel him now and forgo his 2 joins a month""

But then I remember I have a private program and am my own biggest affiliate.

Which reminds me, I should go shave myself...its a hard habit to break ;-)))

There is reason that you were at your best and most successful when you were hidden in the background of the industry.

RUC you have a really terrible attitude about this topic.

You get so defensive, and not even trying to understand the fact that you are IN FACT benefiting from affiliates in an unfair way. Sure it's in a small way, and in small numbers.

And putting the "ban hammer" on people that support Lucas' findings is even more childish than anything.

You have nice program and great looking sites, just man up dude, and just accept what you've done and being damage report, maybe first of all apologizing to affiliates. And just advise them to promote via your NATS program rather than ccbill, or something man, I know you don't care but some of us see your reaction to this and really is a NOT respectable attitude you care coming out with.

No insults or negativity intended towards, you, I just really think you could have handled this much better. :2 cents:

and the ccbill links are again going to vendo ... he told you guys to do your own test joins, do them. you will see how the ccbill affiliates are still not credited ... it went from vendo to ccb, then to epoch, now back to vendo ... thievery at its best, maybe it is not directly this ignorant asshole robert, but programmer? anyway, ruc is stealing money and putting shit and treats on webmasters who are not happy with it ... make your own picture ... :2 cents:

I dont believe he put the ban hammer on affiliates that support Teencat. He just suggested that anyone who did not like his program should make their way to the exits and he would help them on their way. He even offered to pay their rebills after their accounts were closed. Seems more than reasonable to me.

However when he posted that all this was about 11 active affiliates bringing in a handful a sales per month, I absolutely see why he gets so exasperated with you all.

I see this shit on here (and other forums) all the time, and quite often it is the terminology used that gets everyone riled.

If a business does not succeed (80% of new businesses fail http://lic.me/u/11qwx), then the guys who tried and failed get called "scammers" when not all debts are honoured. I have even seen reputable companies called "scammers" when some fees are requested that the poster did not realise would be charged. I have seen companies accused of spamming when they email some info that a poster has requested, and now a program is forever hindered with the accusation of "shaving" when a billing change over causes a bug.

So spammers, scammers, and shaving; great drama for small time warriors but not particularly professional.

Finally most of you are choosing to forget that our hero Teencat opened multiple threads about this over a period of a few days on more than one forum. Each time RUC asked him to contact the program and he would look into the problem. RUC received no contact whatsoever from the injured party.

So why did he not get in touch and discuss his concerns ?

Did he decide to exchange the odd sale he was making for a great drama thread ?

Can I post this here now ?



and this :

hm, sorry here, this i cannot put hand into fire, as i see that my ccb accounts are disabled so it can be some standart redir to vendo ...

jscott was right. He handled it poorly.

So you're now saying that its not all RUC's doing? That some of the things you were quick to spin into "evidence" of scamming was, in fact, just an honest mistake/ oversight?

no, all is legit, just today post can be not true, as i have found that my ruc ccbill accounts have been deactivated at 4am today, so is possible that those links are not working anymore and are redirecting to vendo, so that can be ok now, when my ccbill links are deactivated :winkwink: all other still keeps like it was and is ...

and about contacting ruc directly? what will it solve? i have posted in first post here, if someone have problems with my testing, let me know! ruc must have know that i will be doing testing, as i have been pointing to them that i dont like their stats few times. so, if they knew i am doing tests, and they have been testing something, it would be very easy to send me email, which is in the first post, and tell me, please, dont do test over this weekend, we are testing something ... thats all ... also, if someone will be really thief stealing money for who knows how long, and i will contact him, what you think it will solve? nothing, as few times in the past already ... more to come, if someone have problems, contact me, so we will not need to go through this game of words and brothers again!

lol, now, this bitch, will be deleting affiliates and point it to me, so i will be the bad guy at the end ... me, who have found that he was stealing traffic and maybe sales from his affiliates ... this guy is really big pile of shit, oh man, good to be out of his fucked up by money replaced brain ... stupid asshole ... :2 cents:

Ok, so do you want to tell me what other accounts you have with my cash program? You had 2 x CCBill ids that we found.

Yes, simply because Lucas131, this whole thing could have been avoided IF you had simply reached out to me and said "hey JT, I have found an issue with your CCBill links, would you care to clarify whats going on?" BUT you never did, instead creating these threads that will come back to haunt you.

You agree that the "issue" was indeed caused when we switched our primary biller. But you have every one on GFY believe I am a thief, a scammer and that I shave my affiliates.

I think this is pretty clear for anyone to read and to make their own assumptions, and of course, I am the stupid asshole, the big pile of shit. In the other forums, we actually use more grown up words about you, but still derogatory.

:1orglaugh fuck off ... :1orglaugh i am done with you, i am clear at your program, keep deleting everyone around, you dickhead full of money ... :upsidedow

the rest what came is not important, most important is that you have been redirecting traffic. it doesnt matter for how long, you have been caught! thats all ... and now, this was my last reply to you ... everyone can make own decission ... but of course, brothers and money are on your side, so until you start bang cards, i think all will be good at your side ... bye, and enjoy czech republic, asshole

Everyone terminated by Ruseful please contact me about a home for your traffic
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I want to send you a personal invitation to fuck off

email sent ...

Sorry didn't get it, will be waiting for it though

But you have already agreed and acknowledged that it was a billing issue that caused the redirects? You know how many days this occurred for?

So how have I intentionally been stealing traffic? What have I been caught of?

Yes, I believe everyone will make their own decisions on you.

It probably went into your scam folder

This is too funny, as he probably meant it...

and, why do you have hard coded nats link in your join.php page?

is that some kind of special skills? :) and no, i havent say it is billing problem, i said it is something with billing but caused at your side ... howgh, why i am still replying here ...

So a billing problem then...

if you send people through ccbill link to vendo and you know it, it is not billing problem, but it is you stealing traffic :)

This

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But thats the issue you found and kindly notified us of on this thread, and we corrected the issue. This change over to vendo happened 2 days prior to your findings, and we were unaware of this and had to have CCBill work on the issue. So how is that me stealing traffic?

And remember, this is absolute minimal traffic using ccbill links. Had it have affected the the huge traffic we have going through NATS, we would have instantly found the issues ourselves.

If this is about the 0.56 sales that you have lost, then give me your Paxum details and i'll send it over.

That's when I gave up on RU.

When you talk down to a person like ColMike like he is 12 years old and don't take responsibility for systematic miscommunications within your own company, it speaks to how you treat all your 'employees' and everyone else around you.

I try to avoid putting money in the hands of people like that.

I don't have as much traffic as TC. What I do have needs to go to sponsors who I can actually make money for me. A 40 day dry spell ( that suddenly breaks as soon as he speaks up in public LOL ) is ridiculous for him and definately out of the question for me.

If I could be bothered to look up my AFF ID, I'd post it for termination.

come on guys ... i am here to test if programs shave ... if i find shave, and i send the results to program, what you think will came? answer that all is good at their side, they will change the shave to some or all affiliates, all will be good at least for some time and this thread will be useless ... some of you really dont get why i am doing this ... now, i have found that ruc have been sending traffic to other biller, posted it here, and now i am the bad guy ... but, i understand, ruc is sending payments to you, if they shave, they still convert, robert is known old school guy, so i am again the piece of shit on shoes, but i have been already in the past, also have been banned in the past, but i know i am doing my thing well, so will continue, doesnt matter that some of you may be pissed about that or dont understand why i am doing all of this ... :2 cents:

I believe ColMike posted in this thread and stated that he was 100% in the wrong and deserved everything I wrote in my defence. What he did not deserve was the 2 months severance pay I gave him so he could remain in his house.

So you want to be terminated, but don't want to? Dont worry, someone will email me about you, as lots of others did when I needed Lucas131 aff details.

But lucas131, you also acknowledge that it was a billing issue created and solved by CCBill. How does that make it that I am shaving my affiliates? The issue that I, and many others have with you is just that.

:1orglaugh you must be new, if finding account with email adress is problem for you :) btw, what about that hard coded link in the join.php file? why is there other nats code than the one i came to your site with? can you please check the nats code, if its still me, cookied, or your programmer? you can see who it is, you know :winkwink:

in this whole mess, would you still keep going to test joins or give up?
i'm looking forward for more revelations and i'm sure i'm not the only one :D

I haven't followed up with the DRAMA between you and ColMike since you paid him for those 2 months and he changed his tune.

I'll post my AFF ID in a few hours after I'm done with my morning chores.

sure i will keep it up :) so far i have two other sponsors fully ready to report, no problems so far, so no problems to come :) two other are in progress, so if no problems to come, just good for us and message so we have to work more and the ratios just sucks :winkwink:

ridiciulous....
someone is posting how the sponsor is cheating and sponsor get angry and ban guy....

is this how adult look like in 2014 ? should we be glad to mr JT for bringing up youporn and helping to kill adult biz for 90 % of people ?

this is ridiculous....

I'm waiting for more opinions on sponsors from lucas......great thread

In 7 pages I tried to show you that money earned per click is what matters. Now it appears the one who was listening was Ruseful. He has decided that the money earned per affiliate is too low to bother sponsoring many of you. It's the exact same equation from the sponsor side as it was from the affiliate side. It really doesn't matter if you send few sales because of bad luck, poor traffic, laziness, sending many sales to another sponsor instead, taking a vacation or whatever other reason. He knows the exact amount of sales you send, the dollar value of each sale you send, the chargeback ratio from your traffic AND the resource cost of generating those sales (as Sly mentioned).

Now it becomes simple math:
Money Earned / Days (chargebacks + GFY Nonsense)

Affiliate A
$23.00 / 3 days (0+lots of foolish posts) = Canceled account of "GFY big shot"

Affiliate B
$16.00 / 30 days (0+professional) = small webmaster who might grow bigger one day

Affiliate C
$16,865 / 1 days (2+professional) = whale worthy of whatever custom tools are needed

It really is very simple to figure out as a sponsor and the math is just as easy from an affiliate point of view....

/thread :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

:1orglaugh go and start your own thread, you are offtopic here, nobody except your bros is listening to you here anymore :)