That should tell you something

Ok, here you go, and really, why this thread about me shaving is absurd:

We have 23 affiliates promoting us in ccbill, 2 of them being lucas131.

Of those 23, 11 have sent traffic, but only 5 affiliates have sent more than 100 clicks this month (its the 15th today).

For April we've had 12 sales for FH in CCBill. But 8 of those sales were from 1 affiliate, and not Lucas131. So, in effect, 4 sales in FakeHospital between 10 active CCBill affiliates pushing FakeHospital (Lucas131 included) in the last 14 days. 0.28 sales a day.

The issues Lucas131 found happened when we switched FakeHospital to vendo as primary. That was last week, and 2 days later Lucas131 found the issue. It was resolved a couple of days after that. So, that amounts to 0.28 sales a day x 4 days in CCBill for FakeHospital. So potentially 1 sale in those 4 days. But which of the 10 affiliates should I credit?

So, please guys, do what ever you want, think what ever you want to think. And you should all thank Lucas131 for finding a billing issue that was affecting 0.28% of 1 sale a day over a 4 day period and trashing mine and my companies reputation in the process with libellous accusations.

Lucas131, your account has been terminated. Please remove all your links to my sites as I will NOT be crediting you with the 2 sales that you pushed me a month.

All other affiliates, please list your aff id's and I will terminate your accounts too. There were enough vocal people in this list, supporting Lucas131 and his super sleuth investigations on fractions of a full join per day. But as of yet, no one has come forward to list their aff id's.

A couple of things.

I don't mind the work although that will be tough since being an affiliate has taken so much of my time already.

1- As an affiliate I've seen ratios go to hell and so have many other webmasters. Not just for one program but across them all. If I opened my own I have little confidence in it's ability to convert.

2- I don't like most content I see so I'd have to create my own. I do have a good idea of what I'd like to do but still worry about # 1. I really liked the content from the program boobzooka.com and did well with it years back. Not so much anymore. He hasn't updated in years and left his sites idle to make what little he can. He said the decline was due to lost affiliates (tubes) and that he couldn't get his stuff off the tubes/torrents fast enough and that surfers were now expecting everything to be free. He had other ideas too but was reluctant to invest because of the probability of theft.

I'd rather move into mainstream before building my own program and am already looking into something as a side business to my being an adult affiliate.

what about next time tell affiliates that you will be doing some testing? you can now say whatever you want, but you have been caught stealing traffic, and thats all :) go, write a book :) i have ate enough of nice bros explaining words in the past, not eating any more :) you act like dick with money, so keep it up, with affiliates who still trust you ...

Then STFU :2 cents:

If you think someone isn't doing it well, but it is too hard to do it well and you can't imagine doing it better or won't make the effort to do it better... you are not being useful. A professional would either build a successful site, find ways to work with existing sites, or STFU and move on to something that they can do successfully. Instead you are here acting like you are doing something important, when all you are doing is pissing off the few people who are capable of doing exactly what you admit you can't do.

btw, i dont know which account you blocked, but i see my ruc account still works? just took this screen ...

http://cillik.com/wtruc/rucfuck.jpg

just not sure what happenned around 5th and today, submits dissapears, but of course all is good at your side ... but nevermind, not my problem anymore, i have enough of your excuses and strange working stats :) ... more results from other programs to come, so if some owner is doing some testing, please let me know in advance, so we dont need to go through this stupid posts anymore ... :winkwink:

This is all very confusing to me. What in the fuck is a vendo?

Obviously you are on the right track... testing the billing. You can keep testing till your face is blue and the hard truth is that god damn biller. If it's a third party, you are corn holed. You can't control it, not the way you need to. And sure, some special *bro* favors of a lighter scrub may happen... but you don't even need it.

What a coincidence though that Lucas happened to catch it after only two days. You have to admit that looks a little suspicious, right? Put yourself in the affiliate's shoes.

As for terminating Lucas' account as well as that of other affiliates because they want to be actually credited for the sales they refer (you know, what you were supposed to be doing and what was your responsibility all along), will you be pocketing any rebill revenue due to those affiliates from prior joins or will you be honoring your obligations like a honest businessman would?

No, I'm not your affiliate. Just lending support to others.

btw, just for remembering, this are the stats why i wanted to make the testings ...

http://cillik.com/wtfruc/rucwtf.jpg

it was not two sales a month, but six sales in four days, then it was one sale in fourty days, then it was five sales in seven days ... so, two sales dont count, but maybe it is again just your strange working stats ... :)

but im done with ruc, everyone can make his own decission, next sponsor to come soon, stay tuned and thanks for your support everyone! :thumbsup

@Lucas

$149.56 divided by 4,798 Uniques = $.0311 paid per click (according to your screenshot)

That is the first useful information you have posted in this thread.

Thank you.

Dude, you are not being shaved, your problem is you have no fucking traffic

i wish i started in 2003 and be clever like you old bros now :) :1orglaugh

i am not good in ppc, but i am happy with every unique hit i am sending to my sponsors, and as far i know they are happy for them too :winkwink:

I didn't start in 03, that is when I joined this happy little playground. I actually started in 97, but that matters not.

You still have no fucking traffic, you show 3 joins in 15 days, I did more than that in the last 15 minutes.

yeah, you are whale, but this thread is not about my success or how many sales i send to one sponsor i tested for shave and not counted my sale, but it is about sponsors not counting sales :winkwink: keep up the good work happy oldschool whale :)

Nope, I am a Whale Wragler

Instead of posting who you imagine might have shaved anyone, do me a favor and post how much each sponsor pays you per click. That is information professionals can use :thumbsup

Already stated that rebills will be credited to terminated affiliates. Why the fuck would I keep those pennies? Do you think I enjoy these threads?

why? this thread is not about it, and if you make million per click, i really fuck dont care :winkwink:

So, you bring nothing at all. I get it.

Just a quick correction: Those 4798 uniques are based on the PROGRAM'S stats, not the affiliates. It's likely that more traffic was sent, which would lower the "per click" number.

Please resume your conversation...

I just remembered how one program which was private from start and where i was invited went out of biz,so i guess that indeed telling me something :1orglaugh

It's usually the same people doing it over and over again. I think I'm just going to add them to the ole ignore list again.

Good. Hopefully that means you will actually pay them too and not just credit it to an account they cannot access. I don't know if you enjoy it or not but you seem to have more than your share of controversy. For some reason it seems to surround you.

Nice catch. It's been there since before Lucas started the thread too.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140207....faketaxi.com/

That's the numbers that Lucas posted so that's the numbers I used. I do agree, any affiliate should use their own stats tracking to know how many clicks they have sent. :thumbsup

You are just like my ex wife, always a dig. They will be paid to the account lucas131 had on his aff account before I suspended it. So, if he has been getting his previous payouts, then he will continue to get all of his future rebills.

I guess the affiliates (the ones that have always created the controversy that I have no choice but to respond too) never forgave me for YP. I can accept that and am good with it too. I will point out that virtually all the controversy is on GFY. Go figure.

The offer is still open to any affiliate that wants me to suspend their account too. Just post your aff ids in this thread.

Good catch, but when I saw his first posts on this topic, immediately released that they have common interests:2 cents:

and I am sure that there are more scammers to be exposed.

what a great offer :) you know, people may be pissed, but everyone will better keep their percents and get shaved from time to time, than get nothing :)

I knew relentless was an asshole, thanks for pointing out exactly how much of one.

i've started in 2003, never heard such line from any sponsor before, i wish i could have account with you just to say to you fuck off.

you deserve to epic fall.

JT you have a way of getting your panties in a bunch quite a lot here on GFY. You seem to be politcally clueles as to how to speak/treat affiliates. But that's your choice I suppose. I wouldn't communicate with affiliates the way you do but, as you seem to love to point out, you don't really 'need' to be nice to affiliates, do you? Yay for you I guess. But must suck to be a Ruseful affiliate considering your attitude towards affs.

But moving on: you don't see my content on the tubes, eh? Well now.....LOL! I upload to every major tube, and often my clips are right next to yours on PornHub, YouPorn, XHamster et al. Maybe you don't realize they are mine? Surely you know Fellucia Blow and ErosExotica are mine. Go check out the YouPorn channels for those sites. I believe Fellucia is #17 in YouPorn's Top 20 but I haven't checked for a few weeks....

Finally, as for 'cream tising to the top'. So you are saying that X-Art, Nubiles, Met-Art (yes, even ErosExoitca and Fellucia Blow) are producing clips that are less quality than yours? Please excuse me while I laugh out loud. Why do those clips/companies not get 15 clips per day on the various tubes Homepages? hmmm.....say what you want about me and my sites/content but if you claim Met-Art, X-Art et al are not in your league then I don't know what to say. I disagree with your overall position, let's put it that way.

We have an expression here in NYC that is approrpriate: don't piss on my leg and then tell me it's raining.

YOU better than anyone know how well ErosExotica, Fellucia Blow, Touch the Body and a few other of my sites do and have performed for years now. If you do not want that content on your new project that is your call, I was never invited nor approached about cloud.xxx or tube.xxx. Again, you seem to have a knee-jerk combative attitude with anyone who questions your statements. Maybe it's stress, too much work or an over-inflated sense of your own success.

But whatever it is you are not making many allies. Again, maybe you don't care. But your posts, deleting of profiles, attitudes towards affiliates and now bashing me for bringing up legitimate points only makes you look like a bush league, which you are not. So I am wondering if you think this 'approach' is helpful to you.

Work with me or not that's your call but do not come in here saying my content is not as good as yours because you fucking know better. Literally.

I do not pretend to know. I KNOW that you CAN NOT KNOW how all program owners think.
Your arguments were aimed at decent program owner and yes - decent program owner can see that shaving nowadays is stupid.
What about stupid program owner? What about irrational program owner? What about indecent program owner? What about greedy program owner? What about genuinely shady person program owner? What about junkie program owner? What about gambling debts having program owner? What about X, Y, Z.. program owner?

Real class act.

If you scroll up in this thread I mention WebsiteSecure.org. If you scroll up in this thread to post #91 or click the following link you'll see I already clearly explained in detail exactly what it certifies and what it does not certify. I also linked directly to the enforcement page for anyone who ever finds any program certified doing anything unethical on the consumer level: https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20044777&postcount=91

WebsiteSecure.org seals are consumer trust certifications. They are granted after detailed site inspections and involve test joins of certified sites. We also solicit information from actual customers about the sites they join on the consumer level. WebsiteSecure.org certifies hundreds of sites in mainstream and adult, including many sites on the ReallyUsefulCash network, that is very public information. You posting as if you think you 'uncovered' something is laughable.

In the entire time WebsiteSecure.org has certified the RUC sites there has not been one single complaint from any consumer, and in our own test joins we have never had any issue with the amount charged, privacy issues or anything else important to buyers. Nothing in this thread or anywhere else suggests that customers are being billed or treated inappropriately. WebsiteSecure.org is not an affiliate tool and has nothing to do with affiliate program management.

This is a great example of the foolishness you enjoy. You make idiotic assumptions, act like you found something, and then later say 'we didn't accuse anyone of anything' because you know as well as everyone else that your claims are baseless. It's just a poor attempt to throw mud while wasting time you could have used to earn money ethically.

Thanks for proving my point :2 cents:

That's 100% correct.

But you can know how much they pay per click with absolute certainty. :2 cents:

Well I also read the dust up with your employee on another forum not too long ago. I wouldn't be surprised if people have trouble trusting or liking you after YP. Especially when you rub it in their noses so to speak. You might want to re-think some things if getting people to like you is at all important to you.

Nice catch. One or 2 persons were nicely exposed in this thread... :2 cents:

Still waiting for anyone to explain to me how "you need to look at the amount paid per click" is defending anyone or hiding anything.