That I fired the guy for a second time, for the same reason, then read all the libel he had written about me on a personal level and about my company? But still paid him 2 months notice?

And believe me, I need no friends from gfy, I have enough from Xbiz and other forums. Most I do a lot of business with.

WebsiteSecure is a great thng for consumers and I am considering using them for my new Program/sites.

Besides, I didn't see anywhere in this thread where Relentless was defending Ruseful in terms of JT's personality or attitude. He has been focusing on PPC data, which for Relentless is the best possible metric for effort and success. I personally think PPC is but one element, as Sly has pointed out (and Relentless agreed). So I don't see Relentless's posts here as being 'part of the problem' or BROspeak.

No, the "problem" is JT's attitude and seeming inability to be humble with his "I rule the Internet now' bullshit. As I have pointed out countless times: Ruseful's success is because he has piggy-backed off other people's success then financed his kingdom with money from the sale of YouPorn. I find it laughable that JT thinks this makes him a 'visonary' when it was other people ideas, websites and videos that JT has used for the basis for his 'success'.

Again: give ME $500,000 (or however much JT got from the sale of YouPorn) and watch how fast I rise to the top. Like cream JT, just like cream! LOL

But what's WORSE is JT coming on here trying to school those of us who know better how to 'monetize the tubes'. JT has said his ratio is 1:750 for his sites. Guess what MINE are? 1:500. JT has said he switched to Epoch as a 'test' to explain 'the ratios'. Gee JT, that's something us small idiot webmasters who don't know SHIT do, too! Huh, I guess that 1:750 was more like 1:2000+ those days, eh? Huh, just like US!!

Give me a break JT. Some of us are not clueless fuck newbs and YOU better than anyone should know that about ME firsthand. So please stop and get some fucking humility, oui oui?

Says that invite only is not the better model for sponsors (otherwise many would have gone private)? The opposite of what some of you implied?

A lot more than you think have

@The Porn Nerd

Two quick things....

1 - Payment per click isn't just the best metric for me. It's the best metric. Yes, it should include an evaluation of resources needed to generate each click as Sly pointed out.

2 - If JT was willing to sell YouPorn for just 500K the list of people willing to buy it would have been miles and miles and miles and miles long. It's also worth noting, nobody 'gave him' 500K. So it would be more accurate to say 'when I earn what he earned, Ill have a huge advantage too" - and on that I agree with you 100%.


Contact me any time to have your sites inspected.

fwiw... Jt & Ruseful = easily in the top 10 people/programs I've worked with/promoted in terms of making it super easy for affiliates.

'this is what I need, can we do this?'
boom, 'yes, here's the obvious T&C's for you to be able to do that'
'awesome, no probs, catch you maybe at some point in the future if I ever need anything'

affiliates' wet dream.

There were some interesting details within that. I found it an interesting read. All I'm saying is that like I said it seems controversy has a way of finding you.

Why do you keep posting the same thing while everybody already understood your point of view.

Damn. I thought - it is very strange how strongly this guy is trying to derail this thread. Now it gives the full perspective why:1orglaugh

Because if you actually understood my point of view, you wouldn't continue reaching at invisible dots and trying to connect them with delusions. You would be busy doing something else that is more productive. :winkwink:

Derail the thread? I said look at what they pay per click. If they don't pay enough per click DONT send traffic to them. How does that derail anything? If anything it makes it even more clear about where to send traffic and where not to send traffic.

The only thing that picture proves is that Matt26z is terrible at Photoshop :1orglaugh

JT was not 'the owner' of YouPorn, was he? Perhaps one of the owners? So however many millions he made is not the point. The point is resources and implementing data mined from other people's efforts (like mine).

NOTHING wrong with that, and quite clever (and smart business). The "problem" is with attitude and thinking because of this you are somehow smarter than anyone else around you. It really is quite laughable and tells ME there's some overcompensation going on here.

But really, when all is said and done, I don't really give a fuck WHAT JT or Ruseful do because it doesn't affect MY business in any way. Maybe when his tube projects take off there may be something there for Program Owners like me but til then everything else is just babble and nonsense.

Thanks for summing up the entire thread. :2 cents:

I'm not sure what he's been saying in the last two pages as I finally put him on ignore but check this out:

https://gfy.com/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=1134448

Kind of ridiculous.

The fact that you use a dummy as your avatar says all anyone needs to know.

this reminds me of when I see the treads asking if sales are up or down or when they blame it on something they saw on TV.
If you are doing less then 500 sales a day it is not possible to blame it on anything other then you do not have enough sales to know anything.
sales/joins per day 58-22-57-44-81-33-57 that is normal and not enough to get a real look at anything

Anything except.....

How much money you were paid per click sent. :pimp

That number remains perfectly accurate whether you send 1 sale or 1 million sales.

Damian you are off in your own world ...

I've been trying to tell him this the whole thread ... hopefully because it's coming from someone else he might listen.

Hello, why people dont do their own dirty work and make their own test i mean it is ur business to make sure you dont waste money or time right ? ... Yah Lucas made his point for his work but it would be seriously dumb if you just follow one model, instead do your own test and then compare -_- anyways i was just passing by. Pce and dont trust anyone lol specially not on the net never know if someone doing something for you or themselves, not saying that Lucas got his own agenda or whatever but nigga aint my bro or friend i dont know none of ya so why would i believe someone telling me that or this when i choose to not believe in Santa.. Using Board to propagate shit for killing reputation seems way to easy hehe. Be smart people L8er and wish you all luck and loads of cash :)

I asked you three times what you brought to the table for your 50%. You didn't answer once. So I have to assume you've realised that it is cheaper, easier, and miles better to bring your 'job' in house.

I've run two affiliate programmes and I've seen the stats. It really is that 5% of affiliates bring in 95% of the revenue. You, and the other 95% of affiliates are just not worth the bother.

Nobody cares about that in THIS PARTICULAR thread. Overall WE DO but not in this thread. It seems you don't know how to listen.

You are saying you care about what matters most, but only in some threads. In other threads you would rather mentally masturbate while pretending not to know the facts that you do care about in other threads.

That is your reasoning? :error

I bring targeted traffic and work in a much for focused way with the program owner/manager to bring sales than any employee would. They are simply not as hungry.

I was answering your questions in a general way: affiliates vs inhouse. Not in a personal way. Who really cares what I bring though. You were talking about whether or not programs still need affiliates. Many still do and they say they are happy that way. A few do not.

My answers reflected the fact that 'in house' employees do not do as good a job as some affiliates. Yes there are affiliates who suck, and in house would be better in those cases. Then there are affiliates who have been going for 10 plus years (myself included).

No ... once again ... please listen this time ....

I want this data. That's it.

This one piece of data. It may not be important at all. I don't expect to make quantum leaps in terms of my business because of this. I rather don't expect much at all really.

If you can't understand why I want it ... so what? I don't care.

If you think it's not useful .... so what? Move on.

Classy and respectful as always.

So you are saying then that if I am not happy with conversions that I should start my own program. Then if I am not happy with billing I should start my own billing processor as well. And if I don't have enough search traffic I should start my own SE. Then if I don't like the content being made I should shoot it myself. If the camera I use sucks then I can build one of those too.

Half jokes aside what in the world makes you think I am not already doing some of the things you mentioned above? Aside from opening my own program I am working on working better with existing sites and am in contact with program owners/managers everyday for different programs.

Who are these people and tell me how you know I am pissing them off?

That's the most intelligent thing you have said in 7 pages of posts. You finally stumbled onto what being in business is all about.

LOL ... yeah okay.

You're choosy about what you respond to. Makes you feel like you are always on top.

If you did test joins @ DTI Cash. Let me know if you have any questions

...That was a stupid problem between me and the company for what I was doing for them, nothing to do with the program (Which does convert well, hell my account that I haven't touched in months has still made 5 sales and 23 rebills so far this month at around 1:1000, and no one has touched anything that I did..) Want to know how to convert? Ask.

I know it was the worst thing for me to post what I did. Things have been extremely stressful for me lately, I won't get into it, I'd just like to publicly apologize and say that JT is a really great guy to work with and has no reason to screw affiliates for any reason. :2 cents:

Thank you, btw. I'm still surprised that you were nice enough to pay me for 2 extra months after I left, it's the reason why I still have a place to live and I'm very appreciative of that. :upsidedow

You should put that post of yours I quoted into your sig and read it every time you post. You gave yourself great advice and you didn't even notice it.

Am I the only program owner who is thinking this :

"Hmm lucas / teencat ??? Somewhere in Czech??? Ok, I need to check my affiliates , I really do not want an asshat like that in my program , one tiny little hiccough and he is all over boards libelling the shit out of me. I think I will cancel him now and forgo his 2 joins a month""

But then I remember I have a private program and am my own biggest affiliate.

Which reminds me, I should go shave myself...its a hard habit to break ;-)))

There is reason that you were at your best and most successful when you were hidden in the background of the industry.

RUC you have a really terrible attitude about this topic.

You get so defensive, and not even trying to understand the fact that you are IN FACT benefiting from affiliates in an unfair way. Sure it's in a small way, and in small numbers.

And putting the "ban hammer" on people that support Lucas' findings is even more childish than anything.

You have nice program and great looking sites, just man up dude, and just accept what you've done and being damage report, maybe first of all apologizing to affiliates. And just advise them to promote via your NATS program rather than ccbill, or something man, I know you don't care but some of us see your reaction to this and really is a NOT respectable attitude you care coming out with.

No insults or negativity intended towards, you, I just really think you could have handled this much better. :2 cents:

and the ccbill links are again going to vendo ... he told you guys to do your own test joins, do them. you will see how the ccbill affiliates are still not credited ... it went from vendo to ccb, then to epoch, now back to vendo ... thievery at its best, maybe it is not directly this ignorant asshole robert, but programmer? anyway, ruc is stealing money and putting shit and treats on webmasters who are not happy with it ... make your own picture ... :2 cents:

I dont believe he put the ban hammer on affiliates that support Teencat. He just suggested that anyone who did not like his program should make their way to the exits and he would help them on their way. He even offered to pay their rebills after their accounts were closed. Seems more than reasonable to me.

However when he posted that all this was about 11 active affiliates bringing in a handful a sales per month, I absolutely see why he gets so exasperated with you all.

I see this shit on here (and other forums) all the time, and quite often it is the terminology used that gets everyone riled.

If a business does not succeed (80% of new businesses fail http://lic.me/u/11qwx), then the guys who tried and failed get called "scammers" when not all debts are honoured. I have even seen reputable companies called "scammers" when some fees are requested that the poster did not realise would be charged. I have seen companies accused of spamming when they email some info that a poster has requested, and now a program is forever hindered with the accusation of "shaving" when a billing change over causes a bug.

So spammers, scammers, and shaving; great drama for small time warriors but not particularly professional.

Finally most of you are choosing to forget that our hero Teencat opened multiple threads about this over a period of a few days on more than one forum. Each time RUC asked him to contact the program and he would look into the problem. RUC received no contact whatsoever from the injured party.

So why did he not get in touch and discuss his concerns ?

Did he decide to exchange the odd sale he was making for a great drama thread ?

Can I post this here now ?



and this :

hm, sorry here, this i cannot put hand into fire, as i see that my ccb accounts are disabled so it can be some standart redir to vendo ...

jscott was right. He handled it poorly.

So you're now saying that its not all RUC's doing? That some of the things you were quick to spin into "evidence" of scamming was, in fact, just an honest mistake/ oversight?