Originally Posted by Bourke (Post 20051645)

So you're now saying that its not all RUC's doing? That some of the things you were quick to spin into "evidence" of scamming was, in fact, just an honest mistake/ oversight?

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051654)

no, all is legit, just today post can be not true, as i have found that my ruc ccbill accounts have been deactivated at 4am today, so is possible that those links are not working anymore and are redirecting to vendo, so that can be ok now, when my ccbill links are deactivated :winkwink: all other still keeps like it was and is ...

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051658)

lol, now, this bitch, will be deleting affiliates and point it to me, so i will be the bad guy at the end ... me, who have found that he was stealing traffic and maybe sales from his affiliates ... this guy is really big pile of shit, oh man, good to be out of his fucked up by money replaced brain ... stupid asshole ... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20051659)

Ok, so do you want to tell me what other accounts you have with my cash program? You had 2 x CCBill ids that we found.

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20051665)

Yes, simply because Lucas131, this whole thing could have been avoided IF you had simply reached out to me and said "hey JT, I have found an issue with your CCBill links, would you care to clarify whats going on?" BUT you never did, instead creating these threads that will come back to haunt you.

You agree that the "issue" was indeed caused when we switched our primary biller. But you have every one on GFY believe I am a thief, a scammer and that I shave my affiliates.

I think this is pretty clear for anyone to read and to make their own assumptions, and of course, I am the stupid asshole, the big pile of shit. In the other forums, we actually use more grown up words about you, but still derogatory.

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20051670)

Everyone terminated by Ruseful please contact me about a home for your traffic
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I want to send you a personal invitation to fuck off

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051672)

email sent ...

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051668)

the rest what came is not important, most important is that you have been redirecting traffic. it doesnt matter for how long, you have been caught! thats all ... and now, this was my last reply to you ... everyone can make own decission ... but of course, brothers and money are on your side, so until you start bang cards, i think all will be good at your side ... bye, and enjoy czech republic, asshole

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 20051675)

Sorry didn't get it, will be waiting for it though

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051672)

email sent ...

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20051679)

But you have already agreed and acknowledged that it was a billing issue that caused the redirects? You know how many days this occurred for?

So how have I intentionally been stealing traffic? What have I been caught of?

Yes, I believe everyone will make their own decisions on you.

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051685)

and no, i havent say it is billing problem, i said it is something with billing but caused at your side ... howgh, why i am still replying here ...

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20051691)

So a billing problem then...

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20051629)

I dont believe he put the ban hammer on affiliates that support Teencat. He just suggested that anyone who did not like his program should make their way to the exits and he would help them on their way. He even offered to pay their rebills after their accounts were closed. Seems more than reasonable to me.

However when he posted that all this was about 11 active affiliates bringing in a handful a sales per month, I absolutely see why he gets so exasperated with you all.

I see this shit on here (and other forums) all the time, and quite often it is the terminology used that gets everyone riled.

If a business does not succeed (80% of new businesses fail http://lic.me/u/11qwx), then the guys who tried and failed get called "scammers" when not all debts are honoured. I have even seen reputable companies called "scammers" when some fees are requested that the poster did not realise would be charged. I have seen companies accused of spamming when they email some info that a poster has requested, and now a program is forever hindered with the accusation of "shaving" when a billing change over causes a bug.

So spammers, scammers, and shaving; great drama for small time warriors but not particularly professional.

Finally most of you are choosing to forget that our hero Teencat opened multiple threads about this over a period of a few days on more than one forum. Each time RUC asked him to contact the program and he would look into the problem. RUC received no contact whatsoever from the injured party.

So why did he not get in touch and discuss his concerns ?

Did he decide to exchange the odd sale he was making for a great drama thread ?

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051695)

if you send people through ccbill link to vendo and you know it, it is not billing problem, but it is you stealing traffic :)

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20051112)

Well I also read the dust up with your employee on another forum not too long ago. I wouldn't be surprised if people have trouble trusting or liking you after YP. Especially when you rub it in their noses so to speak. You might want to re-think some things if getting people to like you is at all important to you.

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20051703)

That's when I gave up on RU.

When you talk down to a person like ColMike like he is 12 years old and don't take responsibility for systematic miscommunications within your own company, it speaks to how you treat all your 'employees' and everyone else around you.

I try to avoid putting money in the hands of people like that.

I don't have as much traffic as TC. What I do have needs to go to sponsors who I can actually make money for me. A 40 day dry spell ( that suddenly breaks as soon as he speaks up in public LOL ) is ridiculous for him and definately out of the question for me.

If I could be bothered to look up my AFF ID, I'd post it for termination.

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051714)

come on guys ... i am here to test if programs shave ... if i find shave, and i send the results to program, what you think will came? answer that all is good at their side, they will change the shave to some or all affiliates, all will be good at least for some time and this thread will be useless ... some of you really dont get why i am doing this ... now, i have found that ruc have been sending traffic to other biller, posted it here, and now i am the bad guy ... but, i understand, ruc is sending payments to you, if they shave, they still convert, robert is known old school guy, so i am again the piece of shit on shoes, but i have been already in the past, also have been banned in the past, but i know i am doing my thing well, so will continue, doesnt matter that some of you may be pissed about that or dont understand why i am doing all of this ... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20051719)

I believe ColMike posted in this thread and stated that he was 100% in the wrong and deserved everything I wrote in my defence. What he did not deserve was the 2 months severance pay I gave him so he could remain in his house.

So you want to be terminated, but don't want to? Dont worry, someone will email me about you, as lots of others did when I needed Lucas131 aff details.

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051714)

come on guys ... i am here to test if programs shave ... if i find shave, and i send the results to program, what you think will came? answer that all is good at their side, they will change the shave to some or all affiliates, all will be good at least for some time and this thread will be useless ... some of you really dont get why i am doing this ... now, i have found that ruc have been sending traffic to other biller, posted it here, and now i am the bad guy ... but, i understand, ruc is sending payments to you, if they shave, they still convert, robert is known old school guy, so i am again the piece of shit on shoes, but i have been already in the past, also have been banned in the past, but i know i am doing my thing well, so will continue, doesnt matter that some of you may be pissed about that or dont understand why i am doing all of this ... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20051719)

I believe ColMike posted in this thread and stated that he was 100% in the wrong and deserved everything I wrote in my defence. What he did not deserve was the 2 months severance pay I gave him so he could remain in his house.

So you want to be terminated, but don't want to? Dont worry, someone will email me about you, as lots of others did when I needed Lucas131 aff details.

Originally Posted by druid66 (Post 20051727)

in this whole mess, would you still keep going to test joins or give up?
i'm looking forward for more revelations and i'm sure i'm not the only one :D

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20051751)

In 7 pages I tried to show you that money earned per click is what matters. Now it appears the one who was listening was Ruseful. He has decided that the money earned per affiliate is too low to bother sponsoring many of you. It's the exact same equation from the sponsor side as it was from the affiliate side. It really doesn't matter if you send few sales because of bad luck, poor traffic, laziness, sending many sales to another sponsor instead, taking a vacation or whatever other reason. He knows the exact amount of sales you send, the dollar value of each sale you send, the chargeback ratio from your traffic AND the resource cost of generating those sales (as Sly mentioned).

Now it becomes simple math:
Money Earned / Days (chargebacks + GFY Nonsense)

Affiliate A
$23.00 / 3 days (0+lots of foolish posts) = Canceled account of "GFY big shot"

Affiliate B
$16.00 / 30 days (0+professional) = small webmaster who might grow bigger one day

Affiliate C
$16,865 / 1 days (2+professional) = whale worthy of whatever custom tools are needed

It really is very simple to figure out as a sponsor and the math is just as easy from an affiliate point of view....

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20051751)

In 7 pages I tried to show you that money earned per click is what matters. Now it appears the one who was listening was Ruseful. He has decided that the money earned per affiliate is too low to bother sponsoring many of you. It's the exact same equation from the sponsor side as it was from the affiliate side. It really doesn't matter if you send few sales because of bad luck, poor traffic, laziness, sending many sales to another sponsor instead, taking a vacation or whatever other reason. He knows the exact amount of sales you send, the dollar value of each sale you send, the chargeback ratio from your traffic AND the resource cost of generating those sales (as Sly mentioned).

Now it becomes simple math:
Money Earned / Days (chargebacks + GFY Nonsense)

Affiliate A
$23.00 / 3 days (0+lots of foolish posts) = Canceled account of "GFY big shot"

Affiliate B
$16.00 / 30 days (0+professional) = small webmaster who might grow bigger one day

Affiliate C
$16,865 / 1 days (2+professional) = whale worthy of whatever custom tools are needed

It really is very simple to figure out as a sponsor and the math is just as easy from an affiliate point of view....

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20051665)

But you have every one on GFY believe I am a thief, a scammer and that I shave my affiliates.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20051751)

In 7 pages I tried to show you that money earned per click is what matters.

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051714)

come on guys ... i am here to test if programs shave ... if i find shave, and i send the results to program, what you think will came? answer that all is good at their side, they will change the shave to some or all affiliates, all will be good at least for some time and this thread will be useless ... some of you really dont get why i am doing this ... now, i have found that ruc have been sending traffic to other biller, posted it here, and now i am the bad guy ... but, i understand, ruc is sending payments to you, if they shave, they still convert, robert is known old school guy, so i am again the piece of shit on shoes, but i have been already in the past, also have been banned in the past, but i know i am doing my thing well, so will continue, doesnt matter that some of you may be pissed about that or dont understand why i am doing all of this ... :2 cents:

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051777)

now just please, someone explain me, why they have that join.php page as redirect, and why is on that page other nats code than the one i used to come to the site ...

Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 20051785)

Hi Lucas,

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain to me how that works or what you are referring to?

Keep up the tests.

Thanks again.

Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20051751)

In 7 pages I tried to show you that money earned per click is what matters.

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051791)

i just will be more happy to know and expand my knowledge about nats :winkwink:

Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20051791)

this file http://fakehospital.com/tour/join.php is just a redirect. but if you download the file with download manager, you can see the source code, and in the source code, there is this

there is some nats code, that is hard coded on the file/page, and the nats code is not the one i used to visit the site. it is nats code of someone or something else, not mine or not the one i came to the site with ... cant explain it better cause of my engrish ... :winkwink: maybe its all good, just some standart code and it dont affect the affiliates nats codes, just, everyone have to go through the page and through that nats code on that page ... sorry, cant explain better in english :) once again, maybe its all good, i just will be more happy to know and expand my knowledge about nats :winkwink:

btw, two other guys, sitting on another places, have the same nats code hardcoded on the join.php file, so its nothing variable if i am right ...