that case in Montana comes to mind.. with the judge giving the rapist 30 days, and lecturing on how the 12 year old had a 'mature sexuality'

now we're getting childish

Some do it to become a martyr, any way you look at it, death row shouldn't have anyone longer than a week

:1orglaugh punny

No, you're calling for them to be kept alive without looking at the basic facts of the matter.


Seriously, it doesn't have to be "cheaper keeping them in prison". Also, not everyone who is pro death penalty blindly wants it. Most whom I've heard discussing the issue at least wants it as a possibility for those rare cases that might warrant it.

Believe me I've heard all the arguments on both sides. It's never as simple as either try to make it out to be.

well, with the talk of targeted killings of americans, that would include canadians as well.

so congrats, you got your wish.

and, with the best intentions paving the way to hell, not exactly what was hoped for

The death penalty does not work. Worse than that, it has resulted in the State killing innocent people and HUNDREDS of people on death row have been exonerated thanks to advances in tech that didn't exist at the time of their crimes (DNA for example). http://www.innocenceproject.org/know/

When we are 100% certain of guilt we can use a permanent penalty. Until then the risk outweighs the gains.Especially when you factor in that there is ZERO deterrent value. Maniacs who eat their dead aren't exactly up on the current legal system's penal system or tremendous at forethought even if they know the penalties.

On the other hand, the prison system is an outright train-wreck. If the expense of this one guy getting a free meal bothers you... take a look at what we spend every year to keep non-violent pot dealers behind bars. The scale of that problem dwarfs the cost of warehousing death row inmates by several orders of magnitude. Also, keep in mind that we are subsidizing the chicken industry, scammy prepaid calling card companies and a huge for-profit leeching system with tax dollars to make this all happen.

It's largely the fact that people over simplify things and distill everything into simple "right/wrong" and "good/bad" and "i'm right/you're wrong" personal views and cling to them no matter what... resulting in clearly flawed and incomplete arguments to begin with, which sparks discussion and debate and keeps it alive ;)

btw.. I don't know that the patient wasn't 100% ok to go for an unsupervised activity. I would surmise this decision was made by the head doctors of the facility and a board of specialists that have been monitoring and evaluating his progress. Their big failure in my opinion, was in creating a situation in what should have been obvious to even a child, would quickly become a PR shit storm. He could have been "supervised" and it would have not made the news.

It is because of those advances in tech that many want to retable the discussion.

It is only in such cases that I would be open to the notion of it, and I already mentioned a few. There was zero doubt due to evidence in the cases I mentioned.

To be honest I sort of find anyone who would be opposed to a Paul Bernardo being put to death to be a bit touched in the head and in need of supervision themselves.
Google it if unfamiliar with the name.

At the very least the guy should never be unsupervised again, in any capacity, in my opinion.

um no, i don't think anyone is saying that here...

It is of course possible that he's completely fine but a bunch of doctors doing evaluations and treating someone with the intention of them getting better or making a full recovery, can easily lose sight of the fact that public perception is something that sometimes also has to be dealt with. I doubt public opinion will ever accept that its ok for a person such as this to be re-integrated into society and be unsupervised. But then again, I am sure _Richard_ is moments away from convincing his mom they can share the couch together,... because he just cares so much more than you do.

Of course. But so too is it possible that he could relapse at some point. Some may be fine with rolling those dice. I'm not.

Awesome. :thumbsup

The awesomeness of your awesomeness is just so... awesome. :D

I'm vehemently against the death penalty - for many reasons...here are my 2 biggies.

1. It's incredibly easy to frame someone, especially for a dirty cop.
2. Many DA's are corrupt and will do anything, fudge any evidence to improve their conviction record.

There aren't many injustices in this society that are worse the execution of an innocent person - and it has happened many many times.

this was funny though "How nice for the poor misunderstood beheader." :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

In my view those types of cases where there is some ambiguity would be exempt. As I said, only those rare few capital cases that come around from time to time where there is no doubt as to what happened and who did it should be considered, again in my view.


Yes, the poor bus beheader. lol. As you can see I'm all broken up about that man's rights, as Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry.

I agree except for the part where the taxpayers have to foot the bill for the rest of his life to fee and house him.