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_Richard_ 03-20-2014 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20021894)

While the rest of the Western world refuses to accept Russia?s annexation by force of Ukraine?s Crimean peninsula, National Geographic was quick to recognize the territorial takeover.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sid70 03-20-2014 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20021894)
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/upload...05.08%20PM.png

While the rest of the Western world refuses to accept Russia?s annexation by force of Ukraine?s Crimean peninsula, National Geographic was quick to recognize the territorial takeover.

Morons from education?

Emma 03-20-2014 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20021908)
Morons from education?

http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/23/d4/60/00/map.si.jpg

As you can see, National Geographic maps Crimea as part of Russia.

Google has continued to show Crimea as part of Ukraine.

Sid70 03-20-2014 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20021909)
http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/23/d4/60/00/map.si.jpg

As you can see, National Geographic maps Crimea as part of Russia.

Google has continued to show Crimea as part of Ukraine.

Emma, i'm concerned about your mental health.

Emma 03-20-2014 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20021912)
Emma, i'm concerned about your mental health.

Maybe you should watch news.

And btw, Emma is my dog.

Why 03-20-2014 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20002508)
Most Americans can't find Ukraine on a map, but they're all experts in the geopolitics of the region, because they've watched the American news channels and heard their leadership's version of events.

maybe you shouldnt make blanket statements and pretend to know how a country works that is not your own.

kind of like how all brits have horrible teeth?

Sid70 03-20-2014 09:22 AM

Def morons.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._dr_w#finished

WDF 03-20-2014 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20021894)
While the rest of the Western world refuses to accept Russia?s annexation by force of Ukraine?s Crimean peninsula, National Geographic was quick to recognize the territorial takeover.

I enjoy when people admit what they have been denying for weeks.

_Richard_ 03-20-2014 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20022289)
I enjoy when people admit what they have been denying for weeks.

you guys don't believe in democracy anymore?

WDF 03-20-2014 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20022397)
you guys don't believe in democracy anymore?

I guess that depends on a number of factors including how you define democracy.

Please expand on your question and how it relates to the comment of mine you quoted?

BettingHandle 03-21-2014 01:31 AM

It's officially
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...-Wikipedia.jpg

Welcome to Wikipedia?s quandary.

ZiggiZiggiCrew 03-21-2014 01:41 AM

Natalya Polonskaya придЭ, порядок наведЭ:thumbsup

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...hanfordahr.jpg

ZiggiZiggiCrew 03-21-2014 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20022397)
you guys don't believe in democracy anymore?

yes, I believe in:
democracy in Vietnam
http://pics.livejournal.com/doombraun/pic/000013h7

democracy in Irag:Oh crap
http://www.segodnia.ru/sites/default...7-07-07-13.jpg

democracy in Afganistan:Oh crap
http://image.tsn.ua/media/images2/or.../383407069.jpg

and I hate bloody agressors in Crimea:winkwink:
http://cs424226.vk.me/v424226508/c897/PLnzTdxCetw.jpg

Emma 03-21-2014 07:22 AM

http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/23/f5/d0/00/42.si.jpg

Crimea, Sevastopol officially join Russia as Putin signs final decree.

Russian Prime Minister Medvedev said that Ukraine owes Russia $11 billion because the treaty under which Russia provides Ukraine with cheap gas in return for the Sevastopol naval base was "subject to denunciation".

In addition, he said that Ukraine owes Russia $3 billion for a recent loan in the form of Russian purchase of Eurobonds, and that around $2 billion is owed to Gazprom, Russia's state-controlled gas concern.

Sid70 03-21-2014 10:21 AM

Emma, the dog, atta bitch you are.

_Richard_ 03-21-2014 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20022647)
I guess that depends on a number of factors including how you define democracy.

Please expand on your question and how it relates to the comment of mine you quoted?

you were talking about 'annexation' and 'territorial takeover', and stated something about 'admitting what has been happening for weeks'

Crimea just voted for this on the 6th. hard to call something a 'take-over', when the democratic process has been followed

what's funny, of course, is i don't think the Parliament can 'vote the president out of power', but i suppose the action was backed by the free world :upsidedow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20022905)
http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/23/f5/d0/00/42.si.jpg

Crimea, Sevastopol officially join Russia as Putin signs final decree.

Russian Prime Minister Medvedev said that Ukraine owes Russia $11 billion because the treaty under which Russia provides Ukraine with cheap gas in return for the Sevastopol naval base was "subject to denunciation".

In addition, he said that Ukraine owes Russia $3 billion for a recent loan in the form of Russian purchase of Eurobonds, and that around $2 billion is owed to Gazprom, Russia's state-controlled gas concern.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

femdomdestiny 03-21-2014 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew (Post 20022754)
yes, I believe in:
democracy in Vietnam
http://pics.livejournal.com/doombraun/pic/000013h7

democracy in Irag:Oh crap
http://www.segodnia.ru/sites/default...7-07-07-13.jpg

democracy in Afganistan:Oh crap
http://image.tsn.ua/media/images2/or.../383407069.jpg

and I hate bloody agressors in Crimea:winkwink:
http://cs424226.vk.me/v424226508/c897/PLnzTdxCetw.jpg

fantastic post.

Mutt 03-21-2014 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20023156)
fantastic post.

oh it's the other Serbian crybaby - get over it, you lost, but don't fret, i'm sure you savages will be back to persecuting and killing each other soon enough. that's how Europe works.

Sid70 03-21-2014 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20023178)
oh it's the other Serbian crybaby - get over it, you lost, but don't fret, i'm sure you savages will be back to persecuting and killing each other soon enough. that's how Europe works.

https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/...16130126_n.jpg

WDF 03-21-2014 02:17 PM

@_Richard_

Just for clarification because you choose to cherry pick comments in the thread:

The "annexation by force" and "takeover" comments were quoted by me by 1 of our Russian Board members here.

Perhaps it is time to use whatever you need to correct your vision and reread the thread.

Or is it you have a problem with me, if so maybe it should be discussed privately.

Your Russian "friends" here on the board stated for weeks that Russia/Putin was not forcing any issue and troops were in Crimea to protect Russian Citizens and Interests, correct?

Now 1 of these same posters admits that Russia has "Annexed by force" and "taken over".

Do you understand my comment and how it relates to the comment I quoted now or does this need to be simplified more for you?

pornmasta 03-21-2014 02:20 PM

omg it's groz

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_0mT4BBAKv...nia+ruinas.jpg

_Richard_ 03-21-2014 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20023349)
@_Richard_

Just for clarification because you choose to cherry pick comments in the thread:

The "annexation by force" and "takeover" comments were quoted by me by 1 of our Russian Board members here.

Perhaps it is time to use whatever you need to correct your vision and reread the thread.

Or is it you have a problem with me, if so maybe it should be discussed privately.

Your Russian "friends" here on the board stated for weeks that Russia/Putin was not forcing any issue and troops were in Crimea to protect Russian Citizens and Interests, correct?

Now 1 of these same posters admits that Russia has "Annexed by force" and "taken over".

Do you understand my comment and how it relates to the comment I quoted now or does this need to be simplified more for you?

are you referring to the people who are using english as a second, third, or perhaps fourth language?

we know better, don't we?

i notice you entirely avoided talking about democracy, and if you still believe in it

and, to be entirely blunt, i just posted this in order to give way for our economic partners to point out our new visions of 'democracy'

WDF 03-21-2014 02:43 PM

I noticed you entirely avoided acknowledging my explanation or that in fact you misspoke about me posting the annexation or take over comments rather than just quoting them.

To be blunt with you your economic partners and my economic partners are not the same.

You may have whatever view of democracy you would like and I will have mine.

The major difference between you and I is I will defend your right to speak freely whether I agree with it or not.

What my exact beliefs are is not the issue in this thread are they?
If you would like to discuss my beliefs perhaps you should contact me privately rather then hijack this thread.

Do I believe in democracy? Yes I do, however what exactly democracy is up for debate that should be left for another thread or private conversation so this thread can get back on topic.

pornmasta 03-21-2014 02:48 PM

wront htread

_Richard_ 03-21-2014 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20023374)
I noticed you entirely avoided acknowledging my explanation or that in fact you misspoke about me posting the annexation or take over comments rather than just quoting them.

To be blunt with you your economic partners and my economic partners are not the same.

You may have whatever view of democracy you would like and I will have mine.

The major difference between you and I is I will defend your right to speak freely whether I agree with it or not.

What my exact beliefs are is not the issue in this thread are they?
If you would like to discuss my beliefs perhaps you should contact me privately rather then hijack this thread.

Do I believe in democracy? Yes I do, however what exactly democracy is up for debate that should be left for another thread or private conversation so this thread can get back on topic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma View Post
While the rest of the Western world refuses to accept Russia?s annexation by force of Ukraine?s Crimean peninsula, National Geographic was quick to recognize the territorial takeover.
Quote:

I enjoy when people admit what they have been denying for weeks.
__________________

so you can see how you are capitalizing on someone elses lack of familiarity of a language they might not be using as a first language, while trying to provide on of the few voices for the 'other side' that you so self proclaimedly defend, while getting in cheap shots whenever you can :)

now, skipping over your understanding on the geo-politics in this part of the world, lets cut to the chase of your personal attacks:

Quote:

> To be blunt with you your economic partners and my economic partners are not the same.
do you live in russia / china / iran ? if not, they're the same.

Quote:

> The major difference between you and I is I will defend your right to speak freely whether I agree with it or not.
do you usually make such assumptions? if so, let me know, so i can ignore you now

Quote:

> What my exact beliefs are is not the issue in this thread are they?
i asked you a question based on your vague insinuations that people are 'admitting' to things

do you have a problem with that?

if so, why are you on the internet?

Quote:

> Do I believe in democracy? Yes I do
if you do, how can it be 'annexation' or 'territory takeover'?

it's a vote. they voted to leave the Ukraine, and requested to join russia.

for the record, the word you and they are looking for is 'amalgamation'

but it makes for shitty fox news headlines

Sid70 03-21-2014 03:11 PM

As far as I know the only referendum that is eligible to choose the Crimea status would be all Ukrainian, not a local.

_Richard_ 03-21-2014 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20023395)
As far as I know the only referendum that is eligible to choose the Crimea status would be all Ukrainian, not a local.

alas, recent history has shown votes for all of Ukraine are neither observed nor respected

but i see the rule of the gun seems to be gaining favour

Rochard 03-21-2014 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew (Post 20022754)
yes, I believe in:
democracy in Vietnam
http://pics.livejournal.com/doombraun/pic/000013h7

That's correct. We tried to bring democracy to Vietnam. After we left, the communist North Vietnam took over.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew (Post 20022754)

It's not like we didn't go to war war with Iraq because they invaded Kuwait or anything.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew (Post 20022754)

It's not like they didn't attack us first, kill thousands of people and cause billions of dollars for no reason what so ever.

WDF 03-21-2014 03:36 PM

Again someone else made the annexation and takeover comments, I just quoted them.

You seem to be too dense to understand that or is it you are trying to push buttons or provoke a issue with me?

Yes ignore me that would be your absolute best course of action.

"Your" trading partners are not "My" trading partners, your countries and my countries trading partners may be the same but yours and mine are certainly not.

Do you have a comprehension problem?

Or again I ask you if your issue is personal with me?

It would have be appropriate for you to man up and say so but I can see that does not apply to you and your thought process.

I will not go any farther then that even though you would like me to.

If you want to continue this you are welcome to contact me privately, if not kindly fuck off and do feel free to take that personal.

Now rather then act like a 10 year old and try to keep this going by trying to have the last word ignore me or act like a man and resolve your issue with me privately.

Show everyone here what kind of a man you are.

_Richard_ 03-21-2014 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20023418)
Again someone else made the annexation and takeover comments, I just quoted them.

You seem to be too dense to understand that or is it you are trying to push buttons or provoke a issue with me?

Yes ignore me that would be your absolute best course of action.

"Your" trading partners are not "My" trading partners, your countries and my countries trading partners may be the same but yours and mine are certainly not.

Do you have a comprehension problem?

Or again I ask you if your issue is personal with me?

It would have be appropriate for you to man up and say so but I can see that does not apply to you and your thought process.

I will not go any farther then that even though you would like me to.

If you want to continue this you are welcome to contact me privately, if not kindly fuck off and do feel free to take that personal.

Now rather then act like a 10 year old and try to keep this going by trying to have the last word ignore me or act like a man and resolve your issue with me privately.

Show everyone here what kind of a man you are.

its funny you tell me to fuck off, and to take it personally, then lecture me on acting 10 years old :1orglaugh

ur charming, ill give you that :pimp

ZiggiZiggiCrew 03-21-2014 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20023406)
It's not like they didn't attack us first, kill thousands of people and cause billions of dollars for no reason what so ever.

is it joke? U.S. attacked Saudis, plz read more about 9/11. No any bombs for Saudis?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20023406)
It's not like we didn't go to war war with Iraq because they invaded Kuwait or anything.

UK invaded the Falkland Islands (Argentina). No any bombs for Brits?

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...q3Yz7y3KJx5lhD

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6105/...6a_645280ff_XL

just a punk 03-21-2014 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20023406)
It's not like they didn't attack us first, kill thousands of people and cause billions of dollars for no reason what so ever.

Who? These poor Afghan people have attacked YOU? Where and how did it happen??? I've very confused, "marine" :helpme

brassmonkey 03-21-2014 11:15 PM

lots of off topic shit! :1orglaugh history class gfy :1orglaugh kind of like a jailhouse lawyer :Oh crap

WDF 03-22-2014 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20023424)
ur charming, ill give you that :pimp

Thank you for noticing!

It's my job to be an abrasive fuck and an asshole, what is your excuse?

I have always been an asshole magnet which would explain your attraction to me.

You are free to choose the alternative lifestyle if you like, I am not interested in it or you though. Sorry to disappoint you, I hope you can deal with this rejection.

You are the 1 that said you were going to ignore me and not follow through with it, just like the avg. child of approx. 10 years. I encouraged you to ignore me didn't I?

Now be a good boy and stop hijacking your comrades thread as I suggested before.

Although the following quotes by the OP sum up the whole thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20002391)
Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20021894)
While the rest of the Western world refuses to accept Russia?s annexation by force of Ukraine?s Crimean peninsula, National Geographic was quick to recognize the territorial takeover.


Kolargol 03-22-2014 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20021894)
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/upload...05.08%20PM.png

While the rest of the Western world refuses to accept Russia?s annexation by force of Ukraine?s Crimean peninsula, National Geographic was quick to recognize the territorial takeover.

The title of this thread is ...

Emma 03-22-2014 11:35 AM

http://rt.com/files/news/23/ff/10/00/kosovo_crimea.gif

Facts only: Kosovo vs Crimea - 'Good Independence' vs 'Bad Referendum'

Mutt 03-22-2014 12:12 PM

What a fucking hypocrite Putin is, in his view the independence of Kosovo is illegitimate then uses it as an argument for Crimea breaking away from Ukraine.

And the Serbs still don't understand why they can't have a Serbian Empire. Yugoslavia crumbled and the crumbs wanted their independence from each other.

WTF is wrong with Eastern Europe and Russia, you're practically all Slavs and share the same religion - why do you hate each other so much? Get out your accordions and dance a polka together.

WDF 03-22-2014 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20002391)


Putin sent troops in Crimea to protect their interests and the Russian speaking population.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20021894)
While the rest of the Western world refuses to accept Russia’s annexation by force of Ukraine’s Crimean peninsula, National Geographic was quick to recognize the territorial takeover.


Your words, no twists, no propaganda, no spin, straight from you.

The statements you made contradict each other and basically negate any defense or rhetoric you try to post going forward. Best part is it is there for all time and you can not edit it to suit your agenda.

Annexation by Force = Invasion

Referendum for Independence does not = Annexation

Emma 03-22-2014 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20024035)
Your words, no twists, no propaganda, no spin, straight from you.

The statements you made contradict each other and basically negate any defense or rhetoric you try to post going forward. Best part is it is there for all time and you can not edit it to suit your agenda.

Annexation by Force = Invasion

Referendum for Independence does not = Annexation

That news brought to you by National Geographic.

http://cdn.rt.com/files/opinionpost/...20/00/9.si.jpg

Anyone with sense of fairness should accept the choice of the Crimeans.

http://cdn.ruvr.ru/2014/03/19/150180...-krym_5922.jpg

History behind Crimea's aspiration for autonomy

WDF 03-22-2014 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20024131)
Anyone with sense of fairness should accept the choice of the Crimeans.

But you stated Russia took Crimea by Force.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma (Post 20021894)
......Russia?s annexation by force of Ukraine?s Crimean peninsula, .....recognize the territorial takeover.

Those are your words, you can not argue you did not say it.

After you posted this thread titled "Russia didn't Invade Ukraine" and we all know Crimea was a territory under Ukraine control.

Where is the "choice" in the "Take Over and Annexation" you speak of?

Remember that talk all your comrades made about the referendum being for Crimean Independence? A Independent Crimea would not be annexed or taken over by Russia.

Your own words show you and the situation for what it is.

Your posts are nothing more then propaganda to justify a act of aggression on a neighboring sovereign nations territory. A nation your leaders signed a non aggression agreement with.


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