National Geographic is western company and they maps Crimea as part of Russia. They map the world as it is,not as people would like it to be. Crimea set to leave Ukraine and join Russia after referendum. Why are facts not enough?

You just nailed it :thumbsup

You ate Putin's poo or what?

Before interventions there was ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and there wasn't in Crimea.


Also, I don't think any NATO country incorporated Kosovo like Russians did with Crimea.

Also, I don't remember any negotiations or any try from Putin to solve it peacefully because there was no conflict whatsoever. Not a single Russian or Ukrainian expected this invasion.

i think that there was a lot of propaganda about that.
http://vostaniserbie.wordpress.com/2...of-propaganda/

in my link there is for example a picture that suggest a genocide, while this guy wasn't in fact starving

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing#1990s

Says who?

15 years on: Looking back at NATO's ?humanitarian? bombing of Yugoslavia

Say no more.

Ethnic cleansing? There was organized terror attacks, kidnapping coordinated and supported by CIA with a goal to get reaction from authorities and use it as excuse for attack. use internet, if you already have it to educate yourself.

Only real cleansing was during NATO ocupation when what left of serbs were cleaned together with churches and monuments destroyed even if protected by UNESCO.

To save your time : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_unrest_in_Kosovo

or video to see what muslims are doing in the Europe while backed up by NATO.
Shit like this is precisely why russians are not stupid to let themselves under pro nazi ukraine government that wasn't even elected.

Do me a favor and watch it:

unfortunately it's not a black and white situation

it is never black or white...are you getting messages on ICQ?

It is. At least to me things are clear. But more I can see it developing more I begin to believe there is a bigger deal behind it.

Vladimir Putin will visit the Russian Republic of Crimea for sure, but not soon, Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

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Vladimir Putin, Crimea's Prime Minister Sergei Aksyonov, Crimean parliamentary speaker Vladimir Konstantinov and Sevastopol Mayor Aleksei Chaliy shake hands after a signing ceremony in Moscow

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Crimea will not return to Ukraine, speaker of the Crimean legislature Vladimir Konstantinov told reporters on Tuesday. "The Crimea's return to Ukraine is ruled out," he said.

At least 91 percent of Russian respondents support Crimea?s planned reintegration into the Russian Federation, a poll has shown. The survey was conducted by the nation?s major Vtsiom pollster and the Public Opinion Fund.

Shouldn't it be "Crimean" respondents that decide, not "Russian" respondents as you state comrade?

Petition of Crimea's referendum recognition on US gov't website.A petition, demanding that the US government recognizes referendum in the Crimea has been published on the website of the White House. "Citizens of the Crimea made their choice on May 16, deciding to integrate with Russia. This was the choice of people and not of the government. We demand that Obama's administration recognizes the legitimacy of the referendum," the petition states.

Political crisis in Ukraine countinues, country's East in chaos.
 

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Anti-government protesters wearing gas masks storm a regional police building as one prepares a petrol bomb in the eastern Ukrainian city of Horlivka

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Members of the Ukrainian Interior Ministry walk past a MI-8 military helicopter and armored personnel carriers at a checkpoint near the town of Izium, eastern Ukraine

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Political crisis in Ukraine countinues, country's East in chaos. LIVE UPDATES

Kharkov, Odessa, Donetsk regions demand autonomy for southeastern Ukraine
 

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A total of 96.19% participants gave a negative answer to question number one, which asked them if they had trust in the interim acting president of Ukraine Alexander Turchinov and the officials he had appointed.

Question number two - 'Do you support the slashing of social benefits and abolition of discounts at the IMF recommendation?' - got 95.77% negative answers.

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Situation in Ukraine's east still tense, standoff continues. LIVE UPDATES

When will it stop.
I just don't understand why people keep on fighting and fighting everywhere in the world. Breaks my heart and i'm ashamed of human beings

Peace, love and MONEY is the way to go lol

Because the whole their country is a joke and nonsense. The people there just don't want to work and this is the only reason.

A half of them voted for Yanukovich in 2004, but the other half decided that the election was unfair, so they came to Maydan and started the so-called orange revolution. Yanukovich was replaced by Yushenko and Timoshenko according to the Maydan requirements. With Yushenko as a president and Timoshenko as a prime minister, Ukrainian economics gone down to shit. So they have voted again and re-elected Yanukovich (that's not a mistake, that's the same dude they threw out in 2004). In 2013 they decided that Yanukovich is not good enough (again) and came to Maydan (again). They killed 100 of citizens and replaced Yanukovich with Turchinov. Some are not happy with Turchinov and the new neo-NAZI government, while others are not happy with those that are not happy... So they are bashing each other (every fun better than work)...

As you can see, this is a never ending story of people that live in a totally broke and fucked up country. They won't stop till they kill themselves and break the Ukraine into pieces :2 cents:

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Almost 90 percent of voters in Donetsk Region have endorsed political independence from Kiev, the head of the Central Election Commission of the self-proclaimed ?Donetsk People?s Republic?, Roman Lyagin, announced.

heheh this doesnt look as voting in "privacy" and "Secrecy" granted to each voter...which is one of the rules for having good voting by law ;-)

On that photo people stand in a line to receive ballots from members.

yes, for sure they have right to feel that current government in Kiev is not their representation...and it is also not legally elected at all....probably like 70 % of people in East Ukraine voted for Yanukovich, so......

The residents of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions have confirmed their wish to live in an independent and free republic that is independent of the Kiev.

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Really? That may be true, or it may not be.... I'm not sure that it is a settled matter at this point....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27344412


"No international observers were present and there were many irregularities: not enough polling stations, no up-to-date voter lists and no proper checks on identity."

"The referendum took place in the cities and towns controlled by separatists in the Luhansk and Donetsk regions. As the separatists control only some towns and cities, it is not yet clear how much of the territory of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic the referendum actually covered.

The Donetsk republic's election chief, Roman Lyakhin, said the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) had blocked access to up-to-date voter registers, so voter rolls from the 2012 parliamentary election were being used.

About three million ballot papers were said to have been printed, with the combined population of the two regions standing at about 6.7 million. Ukrainian TV showed ballot papers being printed on a regular printer and bearing no protection marks."

BBC has footage of at least one woman putting in two pieces of paper...

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Again... I'm not saying that it's not true, I'm just saying there was a whole lot of room for problems with this referendom.



Meanwhile, apparaently Kiev wants to hold that same referendom at the same time as the general elections, so I guess we will see....






:2 cents:

You must accept facts. In the middle of time, Donetsk People's Republic asks Moscow to consider its accession into Russia.

TIL Russian propaganda has dropped to the same level as North Korea's...

I'd say as the US one. To be honest, I've never seen the NK propaganda (I don't understand their language either), but I watch CNN, Fox, BBC, so I have to admin that RT is very close to them :2 cents:

so, the actual regime ( from a coup ) is more democratic that this referendum ?

of course it is, because it has support of most western media :winkwink:..or they at least they turn blind eye on some facts :winkwink:

RT is far more reliable on reporting many facts...more than, lets say Fox, BBC and CNN...

yet, they often have their own agenda and picture Russia as land of milk and honey, while all the West is in danger and totally rotten... + Russia as good old fortress, surrounded by enemies from each side....guess what , many people seem to be victim of such picturing...
actually I thought about you...Not, but you just live in Moscow and you think that everyone in Russia earns the same money like people in Moscow do and has the same standard of living...:winkwink: so maybe it is nor RT's fault in your case :winkwink:

Almost 17 millions of of Russian citizens live in Moscow and Saint Petersburg. Most of other live in other large cities with over a million population like Ekatirinburg, Novosibirsk, Kazan, Samara, Oms, Ufa, Nizhny Novgorod etc. The most of Russian territory is unpopulated, and almost all the people live in big cities. It's not like a "storey America" because of the shitty cold climate here. Course Moscow is not the average Russia, like NYC is not the average USA, however there is almost no people left in the villages.

As about my salary. I'm working in the internet since 1996 (in 1997 I've got my first contract as a senior developer in the US company) so it (the salary) does not depend on the place of my living. I can live anywhere but I really love Moscow. I was born in other city and came to Moscow when I was able to earn enough money to live here.

At least RT is hard news. Whenever I turn on BBC or CNN it's Pistorius or Malaysian plane.

from wikipedia: "Relatively few Russian people live in villages?rural population accounted for 26% of the total population according to the 2010 Russian Census.", ok so you are right :winkwink:

anyway, compare living standard in Moscow, and lets say Omsk and Elista...I bet that they are different :winkwink:
if you, as most of people here, can work from any place in the world, I wonder what you still doing in that overpriced megalopis - Moscow...I can assure you that there 1000's of better places in this world, with better climate and better prices to live....:-P you should check it out:winkwink:

Not too much as you may think. Course in Moscow you can have a lot more fun than anywhere else (Omsk, Elista, NYC or Paris) but only in case if you have enough money for that. If you don't, your living standards will be quite the same (almost).


P.S. I haven't been to Elista actually, so that's just an assumption ;)

There are many reasons for that. First of all, I love megalopolises and feel extremely bored in villages. It's nice to spend a couple of weeks somewhere in the middle of Dixies, on the sunny Spanish/Italian shore or at the Caribbeans. All those places are real exotic to me, but only for a shot amount of time. It's cool to spend a vacation time, but I really doubt I can live there for years... The second reason is my parents. Here in Russia we used to care about them till the end, so I can't just leave them here or get rid of them as the Americans do (I won't let them live and die in a nursing home).